If you can’t beat ’em, laugh.

O.K. Time for a little levity.  We sure need it.

Sandy recently put up a post linking back here [amazing how social media is so inter-connected] to a hilarious Top Ten Reasons to Vote for the McWynnety Liberals by Stephen Skyvington. It really does deserve special mention.

And as the one comment to Skyvington’s piece declares, “If you don’t find a way to laugh, you’ll just cry all day long.” Yes indeed. And your blood pressure will rise, and then you’ll have to rely on public healthcare that the Ontario Liberals just keep decimating.

You don’t want to go there.

Along that note the brilliant Justin Jimmo has put up a YouTube video Top 10 – Ontario Liberal Scams & Scandals:

Love the ending: Stay poor; vote Liberal.

Also please enjoy Jimmo’s hilarious take on Baby T.

They haven’t taxed laughter yet, so let’s all take advantage.

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Are these two laughing at us the taxpayers?


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277 Responses to If you can’t beat ’em, laugh.

  1. Sandy says:

    If we can’t laugh, as you say, all we’d do is cry. The media see a scandal in Ottawa because the PM asked a Senator to pay back what he incorrectly expensed.

    The three Senators are being suspended for wrongful behaviour — only for two years remember — and there is something wrong with that? The three will still be able to call themselves Senators.

    The media have failed to mention that the “suspension” is only for a specific period of time. They are NOT being expelled.

    Meaning, it really is about accountability.

  2. Liz J says:

    Maybe they should do a trial suspension of the whole Senate, see how we can manage without it.

  3. Bec says:

    This is a lot of fun!
    A lot more fun than seeing our Premier and your Premier schmoozing over a coffee yesterday acting, with the assistance of the media, like they are God’s gift and all is right in their Provinces.
    My mute button behaved brilliantly.

  4. jon says:

    Any ideas how long it would take someone to write out 12,222 cheques, each totally $90,000, which would be the amount needed to equal the $1.1 billion fleeced from Ont taxpayers?

    Someone should undertake such a thing, designed to expose the media’s
    double standard, going to Queen’s Park with a table, a chair, boxes of fake checks, and a giant counter that would go up in increments of $90,000 each time a cheque is written, torn from the cheque book and placed in a giant box beside the table.

    Anyone willing to take the bullet and risk serious carpal tunnel, staying up for, what I would expect to be at least 24 hours?

    The Media Party are usually interested in such marathons that are designed to raise awareness of a particular issue. This one, however, is one I suspect that would get no attention whatsoever.

    • jon says:

      Better still, do it on the lawns of Parliament Hill, this would allow Tory MPs and senators in scrums with the media who are obsessed with the number 90,000, to smile and ask reporters if they’ve seen that guy outside whose writing all those cheques, asking if they’ve given him any news coverage and the awareness he’s trying to raise.

    • Anne in swON says:

      Could I use a rubber stamp like the Ontario Libs do? At least that way I could switch hands like the Ontario Libs do. Then I might be willing.

      • jon says:

        Justin Trudeau pulls up on the Hill in his car, rolls down his window and smiles at the marathon cheque-writer, comfortable in the knowledge that the Media Party has not been covering the story. Justin smiles and says, “Nothin’s workin’ for ya, is it?”. Justin says he would like to help the cheque-writer reach his goal but that he can’t because he’s got Paul Wells of Macleans in the car seated next to him.


  5. Justin Jimmo says:

    It’s truly amazing how much they’ve got away with. It’s like Ontario is being run by the Mafia…..hmmm, skit idea? lol

    • Joanne says:

      I’m sure you’ll come up with something! 😉

    • Richco says:

      really good stuff Justin!
      You know what we need in Ontario?
      Remember that Libranos poster that Ezra did for the federal Liberal crooks during Adscam?
      I can see another really great poster being pulled together with Wynne, McGuinty, Deb Matthews, Liz Sandals (with Andrea peeking over their shoulders in the background)….all looming large and scaring the crap out of voters and head of the next election.
      It might even be a great fundraiser :-)

  6. Joanne says:

    Gah! Just noticed the typo in the title of this post. Fixed now but boy I hate when that happens.

  7. Sandy says:

    I just put up a new post as well — that the Senate suspensions are just that, for only two years — and not expulsions.

  8. MadMacs of Bytown says:

    Time to change the channel folks!

    Global TV’s “Focus Ontario” with host Alan Carter.
    Saturdays @ 5:30pm ET
    Sundays @ 7am, 11:30am, midnight ET

    This program is informative and entertaining at the same time. PVR it.

    h/t to a BLY regular (name escapes me) who previously recommended it.

    • Joanne says:

      I did a whole post on Alan Carter. But thanks for the reminder! 😉

      He is one of the best TV hosts. I think it’s a pity there are so few shows devoted solely to Ontario Politics.

      • Richco says:

        I agree Joanne. Alan Carter makes those at CTV and CBC look like rank amateurs.

      • Joanne says:

        BTW this is a fascinating look behind the scenes at Queens Park.

      • MadMacs of Bytown says:

        “h/t to a BLY regular (name escapes me) who previously recommended it.”

        My bad! Of course you did that fine post (who could be more regular on BLY than you) LOL.

        Yes, it is a pity there are so few shows devoted solely to Ontario politics…or newspapers adequately reporting….or blogs for the most part (here is an exception). It burns me when the person on the street says they don’t know what a particular leader looks like. Programs such as Focus Ontario help rectify that, but they need an audience.

        Incidentally, John Tory (yes that John Tory) has a weekly radio news summary on http://www.cfra.com Sundays 11:00 am-noon eastern. Am assuming that he will replay his interview with PM Harper on that other topic.

        • Joanne says:

          No problem MadMacs! 😉 I do believe others have mentioned Focus Ontario as well.

          Didn’t know about John Tory’s Sunday show. That’s got to be better than watching CTV QP in the same time slot.. Just can’t stand Bob Fife.

          • Richco says:

            ANYTHING’S better that CTV QP in that time slot Joanne.

            Watched the Fife Follies for the first time in a LONG time last week thinking that it (and he) gets way more profile, attention & ink than he deserves.

  9. Sandy says:

    Speaking of errors, I think I forgot some quotation marks in my previous link.

    • Joanne says:

      I’ll see if I can fix that Sandy. :)

      • Joanne says:

        There, I think that’s what you were after? I have to admit I am having trouble with HTML lately when I have to do it manually. In the blog admin format it’s just so easy.

  10. Martin says:

    Re yesterday’s post on Liberals to repay $950 m of gas plant cancellation:

    I happened to run into my MPP this morning who admitted that Thursday’s vote did not look good on the PC party. Although the motion would have no weight, just 2 more members present could have made a symbolic difference. They were not certain what the NDP would do, they supported it. Still if PCs put forward such motions, I think they should make sure as many members as possible are present to vote. Symbolic motions like this are important in my view.

    • Joanne says:

      Thanks so much for that info Martin. So I didn’t dream it. 😉

      Yes that looks sloppy when it was a PC motion and they lost over not having enough of their own caucus present.

    • Liz J says:

      Guess if we had to look at and listen to the Liberals and their NDP arm for a week we’d be anxious to scuttle out as soon as possible to breath air not laced with BS.

      • Richco says:

        It sure does look and feel bad.

        You’ll recall that I attempted to sign on to the PC Ont. updates and info. delivered to email? Have been trying to do so for months as you also may recall and posting about it here.

        A rec’d notification yesterday that apparently PC Ont. has had issues with their database…..and it was more than just my info. that was involved. I had confirmation from a friend that she too rec’d the same email notification yesterday.

        I feel a bit vindicated that I raised that issue here because I think that it may have pushed those from PC HQ to look closer at what was or was not working at its website.

        As a volunteer myself who was trained on CIMS (federally) I know how important it was for things to be working especially in light of the fact that Tim Hudak has called for an election for months now. How prepared would we have been with missing database info.?

  11. Bubba Brown says:

    Well good mornin’ Blue Brigade, we do need to laugh, enough of jaw dropping lighting fuses on bombs from the likes of Mandsbridge and others of his ilk.
    They are shameful and disgusting little maggots.
    They are sickening, unworthy of any serious consideration just like their hero the Prince, how would he of handled this mess?
    Welcome back Harb!
    He said so.
    Pay it back is not a Liberal option.
    This is funny, informative and, well Blatchford;
    I would like to have a drink with this lady.!
    Just so we keep our eyes and hearts focused on what is important, remember the definition of an honest person.
    That gentle reader, is someone who does the right thing even when no one is looking.
    Jo, this is short, sweet and true blue.
    Saturday, October 26, 2013 The Best PM we’ve ever had
    My feelings exactly

  12. Anne in swON says:

    As an aside, Vasek Pospisil has just taken the second set in Basel from former #1 Roger Federer. We are, indeed, a force to be reckoned with in Europe and the rest of the world. (snicker, snicker)

  13. paulsstuff says:

    Just wanted to add Justin isn’t just a great friend and Conservative, he is also a great painter who painted my ’68 Camaro.


    • Justin Jimmo says:

      Thanks Paul. Yep just another private sector sap, sick of getting screwed by this Government…or Goverment as Kathleen Wynne would say :)

      (sorry low blow Kathleen)

    • Joanne says:

      Wow! So Conservative Justin is a man of many talents!!

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    • wilson says:

      Good article. He used kady O’Malley’s time line,
      which omitted the May 14 email to CTV saying he paid with a loan from the Royal Bank, and that Nigel Wright took no part in it.
      Curious how kady could miss such an important email, eh.

  16. fh says:

    I feel blessed to live in Canada and blessed to have Prime Minister Stephen Harper as our Prime Minister
    this is about Obamacare

  17. Richco says:

    Ontario Politics – Andrea the Enabler’s at it again…..talking out of both sides of her mouth again.


    • Liz J says:

      Andrea thinks she’s solving problems by keeping the Liberals in power? Sounds like a typical socialist thought process bereft of rational thought.
      Someone needs to remind her she’s taking a big share of responsibility for the mess this province is in as long as she keeps doing nothing but but spouting off. Kinda like fiddling while Ontario burns out.

      • Martin says:

        She wants the situation to continue as is because she is enjoying the maximum influence she is ever about to get. NDP have no hope of forming a government, their fate is apt to resemble the NS party next time around. For purely selfish personal reasons she will prop up the Liberals as long as possible.

  18. Richco says:

    Not sure that I buy in to what this column is suggesting. Do I think the Senate issue is hurting the brand? Yes. Do I think it will hurt Harper’s re-election changes. No I don’t.

    • wilson says:

      If the general public believed it was only Conservative Senators doing this, it would be doing great harm. Canadians aren’t stupid. Most suspect all the Senators of some sort public fund abuse.
      No government is problem free.
      PMSH coming down hard on his own is a good start to reforming the Senate.

    • Joanne says:

      I didn’t agree with Gunter’s column either Richco.

  19. Richco says:

    I will not link you to it but I like Warren Kinsella’s column in the Sun today. Don’t let the byline fool you. It’s not bad at all.

  20. Bubba Brown says:

    I agree Richco, the tantrum tempest regarding 3 Conservative Senators being told to repay taxpayers money just does not have legs.
    Anyone with an IQ above room temperture and not wearing Liberal specs with red lenses cannot but see, especially after Mandsbridge’s overblown, can I say silly rehetoric.
    CBC as it stands is so biased, I loved Mr Wolfe’s description of Peter Mandsbridge as “wetting himself”.
    MM are so eager, apparently paying back taxpayers money is somehow a scandal?
    Could it have been handled better?
    You bet, was telling 3 of ours to pay back less that Mac Harb did the touch of election death as is so gleefully being reported?
    They wish, if wishes were votes, Liberals would not be in third place.
    I don’t think so either.
    For sure any body being vetted for the Senate will have no doubt as to what is kosher.
    As for the NDP-Q in Ontario, Jacks Legacy writ large my friends.
    He threw the whole Country under the Seperatists bus for a promise of two cabinet seats.
    Enough already, this stink is on MM not us.

  21. fh says:

    this is a good article on Duffy’s expenses that Duffy mistakenly claimed


  22. wilson says:

    Looks like Cons Senate (majority) is looking at 3 separate motions to suspend the Senators.
    What imo was wrong with this blanket motion was using ‘until the end of session’ as the time limit. Should be a precise amount of time for each Senator, not ending with an event.
    Rosemary Barton says change in motion not over concern about their fellow Senators, it is about the AG report coming looking over their books. Wow, some truth!
    Senators are prescribing their own future medicine.

    ‘…Carignan said he believed Brazeau did not interpret financial administration documents properly, and that in his case there was an “element of good faith.”

    Carignan said Wallin “made an impassioned plea, a good plea” against the sanctions, but added that Duffy “chose to settle political scores rather than answer to the accusations.” cbc

  23. Gabby in QC says:

    Re: the initial Senate motion to suspend senators:
    I think it was heavy-handed. It provided even more fuel to an already complicated issue. It would have been far more advisable for the PM & the government leader in the Senate to wait it out, until whatever RCMP investigations currently under way were completed.

    Why? Because the motion has given the media, once again, the chance to pretend they are the champions of fair play (due process), integrity (padded expense claims, who knew what when), and looking out for Joe & Jane Q Public (it’s your money but the political class think they’re entitled to their entitlements).

    However, what they fail to mention is that they — the media — have been gleefully rubbing their hands together at the volumes of insinuation, innuendo, rumour, whisper campaigns, gossip, backbiting, second & third hand accounts, that they could incorporate all that muck, fertilizing their screeds, broadcasts, and gab fests.

    Case in point: Robert Fife and Craig Oliver both fulminated during today’s QP about what punishment should have been meted out to all the people in the PMO who supposedly knew & perhaps even participated in devising Nigel Wright’s cheque-writing rescue plan for Mike Duffy. They should all have been fired, according to those two paragons of consistency. Yet during the same broadcast, they expressed concern bordering on outrage about suspending the three senators without pay. Double standard writ large, IMO.

    P.S. Tonda MacCharles at the beginning of the program sounded like a shrieking banshee.

    • fh says:

      I think it needs to be dealt with swiftly and that is exactly what is being done

    • wilson says:

      Perhaps they are angry because they sense this is not going to stick to PMSH, instead he will get credit (from those who aren’t Harper haters) for coming down hard on his own. These suspensions are the beginning of Senate reform.

      • Gabby in QC says:

        Unfortunately, I don’t think the PM will “get credit” from those who are not already on his side, i.e. from the so-called “mushy middle”, those who can go one way or the other depending on how the media portrays issues.

        The media will make sure the general public remembers how the PM resisted doing anything about Bev Oda’s apparently extravagant taste in hotels, limos, and orange juice. So why, they might ask, is he ready to suspend these senators without pay but was OK with Bev Oda simply repaying whatever expenses were deemed a little too extravagant? Ms. Oda wasn’t even asked to quit the caucus, unless I’m mistaken, she decided not to run again of her own volition. Not that I think she should have been made to resign or anything. I’m just speculating on the comparisons that may be made — of course, all intended to chip away at the PM’s reputation.

  24. Liz J says:

    Great post Gabby, agree totally.

    It’s downright sickening and maddening at the same time to watch the likes of Fife, Oliver et al.

    The media hacks, always out for Conservative blood, have been given the chance to sit in judgement and wring every last drop of blood out of something that was almost entirely preventable had it been handled properly.

  25. Anne in swON says:

    Would the media perhaps not want this resolved (i.e. the three suspension takes effect) because their stories would fade from the headlines?

    • Anne in swON says:

      That should read “the three suspensions to take effect”. Note to self: Proofread!

    • wilson says:

      Media want what ever will give them their revenge on the PM who doesn’t kiss up to them.
      The Liberal motion or Duffy/Wallin going to court.

  26. Ontario Girl says:

    In QP PM Harper said he had nothing to do with the decision to suspend the 3 Senators, but he supported the decision. Therefore: How can it be said(By the media) it was PM Harper who initiated this? Lots of missing facts when they do their reporting saying it would rob them of their livelihood??It’s for 2 years.
    Bob Fife, the lounge lizard ,was so vicious today on QP…all that was missing was calling PM Harper a knuckle dragging red neck. I noticed he cut off the Conservative but not the opposition.
    Meanwhile, Marc Hab..1/4 of a MILLION and he gets a comfy PENSION and Ray Leveign is sitting in prison. crickets…like it never happened to a LIBERAL senator.

  27. Ontario Girl says:

    Interesting Rex Murphy show on radio CBC….minus the usual dumb no nothing callers.

  28. ed says:

    A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves.
    Lao Tzu

    It is better to lead from behind and to put others in front, especially when you celebrate victory when nice things occur. You take the front line when there is danger. Then people will appreciate your leadership.
    Nelson Mandela

    Stephen Harper: PM of Canada

  29. fh says:

    PM Harper on Maritime Morning 95.7 Jordi Morgan

  30. fh says:

    this site is one I visit everyday to learn what our Conservative Government of Canada is doing for all Canadians

  31. fh says:

    HOW did the Conservatives throw the three senators under the bus?
    the Liberal senators called in the RCMP DAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • wilson says:

      Right fh,
      the Senate had their own form of due process (because they can),
      all members on the committees knew the rules were flawed for decades, they knew the stories,
      and yet they still judged the 4 Senators to have broken the rules and called in the RCMP.
      Now they want to apply the brakes and blame PM Harper.

      “This has been going on for almost a year,” she said. “There were committees and subcommittees, the particular files were referred to outside auditors, they were returned to more committee meetings, debated in the Senate. So I think the rush to judgement argument doesn’t hold water.” CTV news

  32. Jen says:

    Senate Reform Ottawa, Ontario7 September 2006

    See more at: http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2006/09/07/senate-reform#sthash.uyA5g6H4.dpuf

    Check also the right hand side of this sight; there you will see videos.

  33. wilson says:

    When a resignation is accepted, the person is dismissed.
    I don’t see the difference the media is now saying is a change of story from ‘resigned – dismissed’.

    “He should have told me earlier; that’s why I accepted his resignation,” Harper said. “Upon reflection, should I have reached that conclusion earlier? Perhaps.”

    • fh says:

      The fact that PM Harper reflected indicates he was taken by surprise Duffy had announced he had taken a bank loan but now Nigel said he had given Duffy a check a real shock

      • wilson says:

        Yes, it took our PM by surprise, and too, Wright’s explanation must have sounded reasonable/legal for him not to let him go right away.
        Accepting his resignation after reflection,
        is a face saving way of telling Wright his actions were grounds for dismissal.

        • fh says:

          I do not think Nigel’s cheque would sound reasonable to PM Harper
          Given Nigel’s acumen for business it would be difficult to understand why he would give this money to Duffy

          • wilson says:

            ‘There was a day’ when payback was all that was required, in both Houses.
            That needed to change, and the hammer came down on 3 Conservative Senators….
            the Liberals and media saw to it.
            Mac Harb lawyered up and quit to secure his pension.

            We forget that this whole event happened once the Cons Senate changed the rules and posted expenses.
            Media targeted Duffy and Wallin, then the Senate reacted, their files were sent for further review after being considered ‘case closed’.
            Harper demanded Senators payback taxpayers, no ifs ands or buts.
            Liberals jumped in calling for an RCMP investigation to further embarrass PMSH.
            The sanction/audit train has left the station,
            let the chips and Senators fall where they may.
            Perhaps we will be fortunate enough to get the Supreme’s ok to fire them all.

          • wilson says:

            ‘why he would give this money to Duffy’
            fh, I’m thinking that Wright did interpret the residence rules to Duffy’s favor, and advised him accordingly.
            So when all h broke loose, he felt somewhat responsible, and Duffy’s crying about being sick and poor tipped the scale into helping him out ( when the party refused to)

            • wilson says:

              ps. the Senate decided to re-interpret the rules, and backdate the application.

            • fh says:

              that certainly makes a lot of common sense wilson
              it helps me to understand better but we need to see result of RCMP investigation
              certainly all three senators feel they did nothing wrong

              • wilson says:

                Their peers in the Senate said they did wrong. Seems to me the Cons Senators didn’t want to be seen protecting one of theirs from the wrath of the Liberals and their media.

    • Liz J says:

      With the maggots forget the big picture, the important facts, in favour of nit picking the irrelevant details when dealing with any issue concerning the Harper Conservatives.

      Maybe they all should chill and wait to get a full report on all Senators before suspending any of them. There could be a few more empty seats in Upper Chamber Pot then who will do all that supposed important work? We also have to remember the newbies need special consideration, they may have been still wearing training pants.

      • wilson says:

        As Rosemary Barton said, this jumping on the brakes by some in the Senate is not about compassion for fellow Senators,
        it’s about them being worried about their own paycheques with the coming AG report.
        Now is a good time to set a precedent ‘minimum suspension sanction’ for breaking the Senate rules, all and any rules (Brazeau should get the minimum).
        3 month minimum is a good start, imo.

  34. fh says:

    check cheque

  35. Martin says:


    In this astonishing column, Post Media writer Michael Den Tandt show why he is in the words of BC Blue, the chief “Media Party member who pimps Justin Trudeau”
    He claims Trudeau to be the “champion of MP accountability” yet he is the one caught charging charities and school boards excessive appearance fees.
    Logic would suggest that if PM Harper is responsible for the actions of all conservative Senators, then as Liberal leader the same applies to Jr. This includes Mac Harb under investigation for fraud, and although he has conveniently resigned, not before Jr. stated he would be welcome back in the Liberal caucus. Further audits of Senators are certain to expose more Liberal excesses.
    Historically there is the matter of Raymond Lavigne serving his sentence for breach of trust and further back, Andrew Thompson the first, and I believe only Senator to be suspended by his peers.

    This piece could well have been written by a Trudeau fan club president. Statements that Jr can “count on baby boomers who voted for his father” are juxtaposed with references to Jimmy Stewart and the outsider who takes on the establishment.
    These two images are totally incompatible; Jr would still be teaching high school were is last name Sinclair rather than Trudeau.
    Not a great example of objective writing, but that is the norm these days for Ottawa media.

  36. Robert says:

    We have included the post in our ‘Around the Blogs’ section at looniepolitics.com

  37. Bubba Brown says:

    Laurel and Hardy “well look at he mess you’ve got me into”
    Sittin’ in the bushes here and reading the comments, some very good ones BTW.
    This is the tip of the iceberg, has gone on for years and years.
    The Senate can do what ever they want, some of the other Senators laundry is not going to be as clean as they would like.
    Whatever the right and wrong is here everybody will have to show and tell.
    Methinks some of the fine Liberal Senators are getting nervous.
    Junior Trudeau has a travel allowance nearly as big as my MP who lives 4000+ clicks from Ottawa with a riding 100 times the size of Junior.
    Papineau is some 80 clicks from Parliment Hill.
    There is I am thinking enough dirt to go around in Ottawa.
    Funny that the CONVICTED LIBERALS arte invisible to MM as well as Max Harb jumping before he is pushed.
    Just another MM circus, they dont care about Canada or ordinary Canadians just a bunch of fart catchers for the Trudeau sprog .

  38. fay says:

    If any of the Blue brigrade was watching the end of question period? I am sure they will join me in a Bravo to John Baird on his response to Elizabeth May.

  39. fh says:

    Duffy is not a child he HE did what he was told
    I have some swamp land in Florida I can sell you

  40. fh says:

    pass the motion today

  41. fh says:

    story telling hour at the senate of Canada

    • wilson says:

      Weston already reported allegations of the CPC fund was used in the payback.
      Duffy says he was scripted the Royal Bank answer. Remember, that email was not fully disclosed by CTV ( contained … fill in the blanks) and we always questioned what it said in it’s entirety.

  42. wilson says:

    Sounds like Duffy ‘believes’ the party paid his $13k legal fees.
    Duffy finally tabled the emails. We will see if it is as Duffy claims.
    So why did an honorable Senator go along with what he alleges? Why would Duffy’s lawyer go along with it if there was even a hint of illegality?
    Duffy never implicated PM Harper.

  43. fay says:

    I am very upset after watching Senator Don Plett on Sun News. It appears to me that Senator Don Plett is more interested in preserving his unelected unaccountable seat in the Senate than punishing Senators who do not respect tax payer dollars.

    • wilson says:

      He and Duffy are very good friends. Remember, Sen Plett escorted Duffy into Parliament when the RCMP were first brought in, saying that’s what friends do.

  44. Jen says:

    News today: Police has ordered senator Marc Harb to provide bank statements dating from 2003-2013.

    My husband this bit of headline in the net news. A few hours later when he searched for that piece of news in the net, was nowhere to be seen.
    Are you aware of this.

  45. fh says:

    I cannot support this claim of “rushing to judgement”
    over one year has been devoted to this topic
    if you do not suspend then please ensure that the senators show up for work

    • wilson says:

      It went thru committees and sub-committees, independent auditors, reports, report reviews, and the conclusion by the Senators was the rules were broken.
      Then Liberals thought the rules were broken in such away as to call in the RCMP to investigate criminal intent.
      How could they all have been so wrong…..as they pedal backwards.

  46. fh says:

    Senators do not consider stealing from the Taxpayers of Canada a serious crime

  47. Richco says:

    Breaking – Duffy now claims there was more than one cheque.

    • Richco says:

      “He said the second cheque was given to him by Arthur Hamilton, a lawyer for the Conservative party.”


  48. Richco says:

    If this turns out to be true, (and I really hope it’s not), Harper’s done.
    Hard to believe that that Harper would condone anything like this, and I have my doubts about how this is all being framed but there are so many fingers in this pie it’s quite bizarre.

    • Richco says:

      Just listened to a clip on the new about this (CP24) and their spin is slightly different, leaving doubts as to ties to the PM himself but involving more from the PMO than was disclosed previously.

      Could THAT much have been missed by Harper in his own office?

      • wilson says:

        Maybe as PM heard more of the story that’s how a resignation turned to dismissal…?
        Duffy wanted legal assurance that paying the expenses would not be an admission of guilt, and his legal fees were cover by cheque from Hamilton. Did where the funds came from matter at this point?
        Frankly Scarlet…..

    • wilson says:

      The more that comes out, the less likely it was PM Harper knew.

      And what’s with Duffy saying he ‘hopes’ the RCMP has these emails?
      I thought he handed ‘everything’ over the them, he’s withheld some emails?

      • jon says:

        The latest development, being that PMSH “dismissed” Wright as opposed to the fmr. chief-of-staff having resigned, actually helps PMSH in his claim that he didn’t know about the $90,000. If Wright was fired, as it’s now being reported, PMSH can say, “Yeah, I did fire him, but in order to allow him to go out with some dignity, it was agreed that we could say he resigned of his own accord.”

        It’s illogical to suggest that the PM knew of the payment in advance, authorized it, and then turned around and fired a guy for doing precisely what the PM told him to do or had knowledge of it. So as far as I’m concerned, if it turns out that Wright was fired, this actually helps the PMSH claim that he didn’t know, although it won’t be spun that way by the Media Party.

  49. Anne in swON says:

    If all of this transpired the way Mike Duffy says it did why did his lawyer go along with the so-called ‘scheme’? And why did Duffy scurry away immediately after and not one reporter pursued him or waylaid him as he left the building? It all sounds very fishy.

  50. wilson says:

    Duffy tabled/made public ‘evidence’, so how does that not jeopardize a potential court case and the Senate sanctioning breaking the rules would?
    This story is getting nutty.
    Omg, Brazeau just accused LeBreton of ‘she does not like Aboriginals’.

  51. fay says:

    Don Martin feeling the love for victim Mike Duffy on Power Panel tonight. Don Martin appears to have a split personality.

  52. wilson says:

    PMO just made public an email which brings into question Duffy saying the ‘Royal Bank loan’ was scripted.

    • wilson says:

      And I can’t figure out what Duffy was getting at when he said ‘I never saw a cheque from Nigel Wright’ but did get a chq from Hamilton

      • Anne in swON says:

        But the one from Hamilton was made out to Duffy’s lawyer and would appear to have been sent to said lawyer.

        • wilson says:

          The $90k bank draft from Wright was also made out to Duffy’s lawyer.

          • Anne in swON says:

            Were either of the cheques cashed? If so, Duffy’s lawyer is in this up to his neck.

            • wilson says:

              The $90k was paid to Senate accts, assumed with the Wright bank draft.
              Sounds like the $13k was reimbursed to Duffy via his lawyer….?

            • wilson says:

              Didn’t Duffy change from ‘victim’ to ‘accomplice’ when he cashed that $13k cheque?
              How can you keep pleading wanting no part of a scheme (reimbursing taxpayers) , and then hire a lawyer to make it happen?

              • fay says:

                Good point Wilson.
                I am still in disbelief that Senator Don Plett continues to defend his friend Mike Duffy and maintains he supports Stephen Harper.
                It appears to me that Senator Don Plett is entitled to his entitlements!

    • Joanne says:

      PMO just made public an email which brings into question Duffy saying the ‘Royal Bank loan’ was scripted.

      Have any more details on that email come out? Thanks.

      • Liz J says:

        If it was “scripted” why did Duffy go along with it?

        Whatever, it appears giving back the money, was a bad thing according to the media maggots.

        Was Nigel Wright not cited as a friend of Duffy’s? How’s that friendship working out now?

        Give us all strength, as this see-saw keeps going. No matter how hard we try to stay away from it we’re drawn back to it because it’s becoming so damned unbelievably inane.

  53. Ontario Girl says:

    David Akin from Sun News is a LIBERAL and should be reporting for CBC….just read between the lines on how he speaks…he is a Harper hating Liberal and he doesn’t fool me. He loathes anything Conservative. I have to turn him off but then where to go..CBC…no…CTV…no…Global….no
    Anyone know when Ezra will challenge the media about the Senate crap?? waiting, waiting, waiting…..

    • fay says:

      I am wondering the same thing Ontario Girl?? I would also like to point out that David Akin did a very friendly interview with Brandon Souris liberal candidate. Still waiting for a friendly interview with Conservative candidate…?
      A lot of the Sun News coverage lately is the very same as CBC CTV. Why am I paying extra for a different point of view if I am not getting it?

    • jon says:

      I couldn’t disagree with you more on Aiken. He’s actually a guy who at times is tough to pin down. One time, he joins with the other reporters and shouts down Harper as he did a few months back I believe, accusing the PM of ducking reporters’ questions; other times he’ll do a scoop on Justin, slamming the Lib leader, while the Media Party ignore those stories. I think when we say we don’t like this person, or that person, and infer that they should go work elsewhere makes us no different than the Media Party. Aiken is a good fit for SNN, and is a pretty effective host of Battleground as well, IMO.

      I’m actually a little disappointed with SNN and their coverage (or lack thereof) of the so-called senate scandal. They seem to be ignoring it for the most part, leading off with stories about the anti-fracking stories instead, which they could argue was a top story at one time but no longer can. It’s a story; they should deal with it. Don’t behave like the Media Party on stories like Fontana’s trial on fraud charges. We’re better than them.

      Just as an aside, I’m really concerned about SNN’s future more than ever. Sunday morning, I tuned in to get their news (usually hosted by Dunston), only to discover they were running repeat programming, in spite of the Rogers info bar on the bottom of the screen reading “Sun News Live”. Apparently they have stopped ALL live programming on weekends. I’d be surprised if they make it to next summer.

  54. Bec says:

    I personally am disgusted with the desperation that Mr. Duffy has displayed. $90,000. is not chump change and not a mistake if I were making the claims.

    He became a high profile crowd draw, I was one of them but if what has been allegedly uncovered, that he charged the Senate and the riding(s)
    http://o.canada.com/news/national/rcmp-allege-duffy-double-dipped-during-2011-election/ (h/t fh posted @12:21 10/27) well then, who exactly needs to rein in their strut?

    I have personally tried to envision ME being in that red chamber, me, being me, a CONSERVATIVE and this whole thing with him truly disgusts me.

    Regardless of where the chips end up falling, our PM is a class act. Does he appoint class acts, does he appoint believable people, was this his intention all along, a gong show senate? His sense of humour tells me ….it’s possible…

    An unelected Senate is a gong show but it did not start with these 3. MAYBE, just maybe that is the point we should be talking about?

    DO NOT distrust this PM. DO NOT be embarrassed by these weasels blaming their stupidity and greed on this PM.
    He has been the best PM ever and NO ONE is willing to tell THAT STORY!

  55. Bubba Brown says:

    “Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive”
    My old dad asked me once if I had a perfect memory, of course I said I did not.
    Then never tell a lie, that way you never have to remember anything, just the truth.

  56. Liz J says:

    What happened in the Senate should have stayed in the Senate for them to deal with. When a PM appoints a person to that place he is not responsible either for their misdeeds or their punishment.
    The PMO appears to have made some frantic moves and bad decisions and one needs to ask why and what they were afraid of?
    Instead of this involving only these Senators they’ve managed to drag the PM and the party into the fray they should have never been in IMO. It’s becoming a sideshow for the maggots, they can talk of nothing else, it’s as if this is of great importance to the country and the lives of the citizens.

    I’m ashamed of the lot of them, they brought it all on by being stupid. The PMO needs a cleaning out.
    Now there appears to be a divide in the party on the whole mess.

    • Martin says:

      “When a PM appoints a person to that place he is not responsible either for their misdeeds or their punishment”.
      That is it exactly, the Liberals have understood this working arrangement for decades. They never feel the need to apologize for Lavigne or Thompson, but they are aided in this by the media. Media stories scarcely mention Lavigne was a Liberal MP and Senator, let alone hold Chretien to account for appointing him.
      Similarly Mac Harb was a Liberal MP before being appointed by Chretien. None of the conservative Senators under attack even ran for parliament as CPC candidates.

  57. Richco says:

    Am I the only one who has an issue with the second cheque that has allegedly come from the CPC?
    Sorry, but I don’t want my donation dollars paying Duffy’s legal costs.
    I feel like an accomplice.

    • wilson says:

      I think the CPC said, yes they paid the legal costs??? Maybe a note to Solomon??
      Picking up the legal tab is pretty common, it was the ‘Royal Bank script’ that grabbed me.
      But someone sent Solomon a brown envelope today, with an email from the PMO that makes Duffy’s story unbelievable.

      • Fay says:

        Yes, emails that dispute the RBC story told by Mike Duffy. I notice there was no mention of that by Solomon on CBC national news tonight.

  58. fh says:

    Jo this is worth a tweet
    RCMP allege Duffy double dipped during 2011 election

    Duffy “pure and innocent as the driven snow” i don’t think so

  59. wilson says:

    CTV put up results of an Oct 25-28 (today) poll:

    The Ipsos Reid poll conducted for CTV News found that 73 per cent of respondents believe Senators Mike Duffy, Pamela Wallin and Patrick Brazeau should be “immediately suspended from the Senate without pay.”


    Why is the RCMP taking so long? Brazeau investigation started Aug 1 and he has yet to be interviewed by the RCMP, 3 months.

  60. Anne in swON says:

    The cheque for $13,560.00 was made out to Duffy’s lawyer on April 3, 2013 and was sent via overnight courier to Payne’s office. An image of the cheque can be seen at http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/10/20131028-160608.html. I find it impossible to conceive of so many people being overtly involved in a supposedly covert scheme. I would have expected brown paper bags stuffed with cash and not a paper trail a mile wide. I’m not buying what Duffy’s selling.

    • wilson says:

      Yes, the Conservatives leave cheque stubs and emails everywhere in their attempt to cover up giving taxpayers back $90k, and cover off $13k in legal fees to boot!!!

      Perhaps they had more practice, but the Liberals were really good at pulling off a cover up.
      First: Use taxpayers fund to pay your business buddies for doing nothing,
      then: your buddies give it back to you in cash,
      so: you stuff the cash into envelopes (use $100 bills so it’s not so bulky)
      and then: slip the envelopes stuffed with cash to your bestest buddies, including 12 of your candidates, to give them a wee advantage in the upcoming election.
      What 12 Liberal candidates got the laundered cash you ask…?
      We don’t know, the Liberals are just that good at a cover up.
      And when the Liberal PM was asked, he went into some song and dance about golf balls.

  61. wilson says:

    AG starting his ‘sweeping’ audit now, will report in December. He warned the Senators he will name names, and wants consent form signed to obtain extra info, which a quoted Senator said ‘no’ tot he request .
    (it’s a Postmedia article so it’s not caught in NP paywall)

  62. wilson says:

    Praise for the Harper govt from non-profit that fights homelessness:

    “The policy shift that the federal government announced in its budget this year is going to radically overhaul Canada’s response to homelessness,” Tim Richter, head of the Canadian Alliance to End Homelessness, said Monday.

    “It changes our efforts from simply a response to an emergency situation to one that focuses on permanent housing for chronically homeless people.

    “We’ve not seen anything like it in the past…..’


  63. Liz J says:

    What still remains mighty strange is the fact this all started with three Conservative appointed Senators. How come they were targeted/ singled out? How come some time later we hear a bit about Liberal “Mac” Harb who allegedly had been dipping in for much more than the three Conservative Senators put together?
    IMO if audits are regularly done in the Senate why wasn’t Harb caught before this particular time? Who in that freaking place approves /writes the cheques?

    IMO, if the PMO had stayed away from it we would not have the animosity displayed by Duffy, Wallin or Brazeau towards the party and the PM by said people. The PM and PMO should have said they do not approve of what they did and would wait for an audit and the Senate would take care of it. Instead they added fuel to the fire and the media are stoking it. Why was Duffy the one chosen for bail out? Did he whine and get sympathy or was it all about party politics?

  64. Ontario Girl says:

    Check out National Newswatch today…EVERY single story is slamming the Govt. about the Duffy “BOMBSHELL”…except two stories about robo calls and Conservatives. Not one small clip about Liberal Joe Fontana in court for fraud charges. zero.nada. nothing. crickets.
    Evan Soloman even had the gall to say the two cheques were in “Brown Envelopes”….lol The difference is, the Liberal “Brown Envelopes” were stuffed with CASH for Liberals pockets. CBC reporting is looking more foolish every day…talk about overkill, insinuations and trying to drag the PM into every word spoken. The PMO, the PMO , the PMO…..Talk about our taxpayer funded CBC turned national Enquirer. I did laugh. My…all this because the Conservatives got a majority and the lefties are salivating to try to make the Conservatives out to be the CROOKS the Liberal party are famous for. Just a cover up for the Ontario Liberals, who should be the real people under the microscope. CBC radio has the Duffy story on 24/7…over and over and over.Pffffft

  65. Liz J says:

    I’m guessing Duffy has forgiven his former media hacks for all their nasty reporting against him and enjoys being their useful tool in their long quest to wrest power from the Conservatives so they can get the real brown envelope champions back in.

  66. Liz J says:

    When this Senate mess is drummed out so paper thin it will blow away like the pocketed wafer at a funeral tale cum “scandal”, will the sickening maggots we regularly have in our faces on TV report on problems facing Liberals/former Liberals like Joe Fontana? Or how about McGuinty’s former Deputy minister of education charged with child porn among other charges? Betting most don’t even know his name or have forgotten it by now.

    • Richco says:

      The media and opposition are just doing a better job of keeping this on the front burner than the PM, PMO and caucus is doing of getting out in front and countering. There are more Liberal and left-leaning of media and opposition currently so the numbers favour the spinners of both media and opposition.

      That’s always been our concern here on issues like this before.

      Whether or not it’s typical for CPC donations to be used to pay court costs, I still don’t like it. That to me is also not respecting donors or party members…of which I am both currently.

      • fay says:

        It looks like there is an invoice number on that cheque. It would be nice to know exactly what Legal work that cheque was for?
        Anyway I predict that CTV will turn on Mike Duffy after and only after he throws his friends and the Conservative party over board. The media is manipulating the message…same old, same old!

        • Anne in swON says:

          The federal and Ontario Libs spent (wasted) taxpayer money amounting to millions with no paper trail. The feds used brown paper envelopes passed under the table in a restaurant and the Ontario bunch systematically deleted emails. The CPC repaid taxpayer money (Wright from his personal funds and Hamilton from party donor coffers) and left a paper trail a mile wide with no attempt to cover. And both are considered scandals? I don’t get it.

    • Sandy says:

      Liz — I sent a reply Tweet to Paul Wells asking him why he wasn’t complaining about Fontana or the Ontario Liberals and he wrote a sarcastic tweet back saying they didn’t represent the Gov’t of Canada. So, I assume the provincial governments and Mayors can do whatever they like. Pitiful.

      Richco, All political parties use donation money as they see fit. When you donate, you are allowing them that right. They pay for rent for election offices. Utilities. Expenses for candidates and so on.

      As well, some payments are made to MPPs and MPs for extra-ordinary expenses for example — those which are not covered under their government budgets.

      Some even use the money to help with their clothing budget. I mean, Cabinet Ministers need maybe a dozen suits and accessories. The party helps them with those expenses, since most men only have one or two suits when they are not politicians.

      Then, there is travelling to speak at party functions. Mileage, hotel, etc.

      All parties do the same. Political ads are only a small part of what parties need to win elections and between elections.

      Whatever they use our donations for, we get a hefty deduction on our income tax.

      • Richco says:

        Sandy wrote “Richco, All political parties use donation money as they see fit. When you donate, you are allowing them that right. They pay for rent for election offices. Utilities. Expenses for candidates and so on.”

        I know all that.

        What I can’t do in good faith is support the PM and paying for Duffy or any other Senator or MPP’s legal costs at the same time.

        That’s just not going to happen from this donor. Not now and not ever. As a fiscal and ethical conservative it just doesn’t hold water in this case.

        “Whatever they use our donations for, we get a hefty deduction on our income tax.”

        Really? Nice angel but as I wrote previously this issue pushes the envelope beyond what is usual or normal in the course of a trail of what my donation does for me. I care not about a deduction on my income tax if my donation has been used to prop up or bail out ANY Conservative Senators or MPs who think they’re entitled to it, rightly or wrongly.

  67. Sandy says:

    I have first hand experience with a Premier’s office, which is not likely that different from a Prime Minister’s Office. There is nothing unusual about spin coming from the top. All parties do it. And, yes, even some scripts. I can recall such a situation with the Harris government and the hoola hoop scandal or the tuna scandal. Petty media politics, especially for conservatives, is not new.

    Then, there was Bill 160 and the hysteria. My boss was asked to answer five questions for the St. Catharines Standard, along side another Liberal MPP who answered the same five questions. I wrote the piece as that was my job even though the byline was my bosses name. However, before I could submit anything, the Premier’s Chief of Staff had to approve it. He phoned me at home and told me to change something. I defended what I had written and he reluctantly agreed. Then, my boss read the piece over and over until he knew it by heart. Then, we forwarded it to the newspaper. T’is just the way things are done. MPs, MPPs, MLA’s, PMs, don’t do their own work. That the PM was in the dark is not unusual.

    So, hang in there everyone. PMO and Premier’s office interference is the norm, no matter which political party is running things.

    Plus, Harper is far from done, although the opposition and media party would love to see us turn against him.

    Imagine quibbling over whether the PM dismissed Wright or he resigned. They are one and the same with the term resigned used simply to allow Wright to save face.

    • Liz J says:

      Well Sandy,if Harper is done, we’re done given what we have leading the two opposition parties. I can’t imagine what would happen to us with a Prime Minister Justin Trudeau or Mulcair.

      • Richco says:

        Then again, this may just be what pushes Harper to make his own decision on his future.

        I hope not. I hope that Harper fights the wrongs and miscommunications and corrects them.

        Perhaps that will happen at the convention this weekend.

    • Richco says:

      I would believe what you’re suggesting Sandy, IF I knew that Harper wasn’t a detail man and one who is a stickler for minute details AND likes to be in the loop of everything.

      That’s how he was at the NCC and that’s how I remember him. Nothing used to get by him, and that goes even for his time as PM. He’s known for that.

      I remember posting here many months ago that I felt that the PM wasn’t on his game, missing things and just didn’t seem to be into his job. Remember that? I still say that something else is going on in his life that we’re not privy to, nor should be BUT, the Stephen Harper I know would never have let this slip past him in his own office.

      If he did, then I hope it turns out that it was elaborately contrived by his staff at the PMO and others. That’s entirely possible I guess…….I’m just not convinced. It’s got nothing to do with falling for media or opposition hype either. I know better.

      Something is still very off for me.

      • Gabby in QC says:

        Respectfully … there’s a big difference between running an activist org. and running a country, so regardless of how detail-oriented the man was and still may be, he cannot be expected to know every single detail about what happens everywhere, who did what when with whom about what, etc.

        Perhaps we his supporters, in our effort to be supportive, have helped to perpetuate the myth that the man borders on superhuman. But I imagine the burden of occupying the PMO necessitates leaving some details to others to handle.

        • Richco says:

          It wasn’t just his time at NCC that his attention to detail and knowledge about what was going on around him. He seemed to demonstrate those qualities throughout his term as PM too. That was why we admired him so much and still do for the most part.

          Not sure this is unrealistic of a man who relished being seen in that light himself, but you could be right, perhaps he couldn’t be aware of what was going on in the PMO 24/7, or perhaps he trusted wrongly.

          Could be a bit of both.

          • Richco says:

            One thing for certain, it would be very hard for our PM to know who to trust moving forward after all of this.

            I don’t envy him his position but the other thing that I do know about him is that if he’s been wronged he’ll do everything he needs to to prove that. My hope is that he’s biding his time to do exactly that in the most impactfull way possible.

  68. Gabby in QC says:

    I’m linking to 3 separate articles, which explains the separate posts, so as not to get caught in filter
    April 18, 2013 5:59 pm
    “Sen. Duffy admits he hasn’t paid money back

    Conservative Senator Mike Duffy has not paid back the tens of thousands of dollars in housing expenses he said he’d return almost two months ago.
    And now, he says he isn’t sure he’s “required” to.
    A day after dodging questions from Global News, Duffy said he is waiting for an audit to come out before repaying the money. …
    … In February, Duffy said he would pay back several years’ worth of housing allowances he admits he may have mistakenly collected, blaming “confusing” forms. …”
    BUT …

    • Gabby in QC says:

      Continuation …

      Senator Mike Duffy says he’s repaid $90K in housing cash
      Duffy may have wrongly claimed housing allowance
      The Canadian Press Posted: Apr 19, 2013 4:42 PM ET Last Updated: Apr 19, 2013 5:06 PM ET
      “Describing himself as a man of his word, embattled Conservative Senator Mike Duffy says he has repaid more than $90,000 in Senate housing expenses.
      Duffy issued a statement late Friday saying the expenses were repaid in March. …”

      AND …

      • Gabby in QC says:

        Senator Mike Duffy insists he repaid $90,000 housing allowance
        Conservative Senator Mike Duffy says he has repaid more than $90,000 in Senate housing expenses.
        By: Bruce Cheadle The Canadian Press, Published on Fri Apr 19 2013
        OTTAWA—Prime Describing himself as a man of his word, embattled Conservative Senator Mike Duffy says he has repaid more than $90,000 in Senate housing expenses.
        Duffy issued a statement late Friday [April 19] saying the expenses were repaid in March. … ”

        Mike Duffy: “a man of his word”?

        • Anne in swON says:

          I remember thinking at the time how strange it was that Duffy said on Thursday he hadn’t paid the money back and on Friday that he had. What on earth was he thinking?

  69. Richco says:

    “Mike Duffy: “a man of his word”?”

    Not even close Gabby. Not even close.
    How can he even suggest that when in a period of 24 hours he changes HIS story.
    Where are the incredulous opposition and their media puppets challenging Duffy?

  70. Richco says:

    From the “If you can’t beat’em, laugh………………..” that started this thread.

    Here’s what Jerry Nicholls has to offer on Duffy-gate this morning.

    “Latest stunning Mike Duffy allegation: Says he taped the missing Rob Ford video.”

  71. Liz J says:

    I’m beginning to wonder if Duffy is confused due to lack of sleep over this convoluted tale, or maybe more aptly, tale of woe. He used to be called the Duffinator, he also called himself “The Old Duff” maybe he’s going to end up the Self Terminator with the web he’s spinning around himself.

    Confusion abounds. One thing we do know about the Stephen Harper administration,they allow lies and innuendo to run rampant without defending themselves before the media do their damage.

  72. Ontario Girl says:

    Guess it’s too bad the Conservative party doesn’t have the union members to pay their legal bills, like Pat Martin NDP. Too bad the Conservative party didn’t have all the money Ken Dryden got and never paid back yet. Would that be okay with the maggot media?

    • Richco says:

      It’s not right for the NDP and it’s not right for a member of any party to have their donations (union or personal) used to help a Senator or MP who has been caught misusing funds, period.

      The Ken Dryden and other Liberal never-paybackers are Electons Canada’s problem.

  73. Martin says:

    Sandy: “I sent a reply Tweet to Paul Wells asking him why he wasn’t complaining about Fontana or the Ontario Liberals and he wrote a sarcastic tweet back saying they didn’t represent the Gov’t of Canada”.

    I looked at NP site for any mention of Joe Fontana and found nothing current, but they did have a story on Doug Ford, who is a Toronto councilor? Some news in the regional papers but that is all.
    Toronto media standards of what constitutes a “national story” seem pretty elastic to me.

    • Martin says:

      Incredible as it may seem, BC Blue points out that the CTV story on Fontana’s court appearance, refers to him as a former “federal cabinet minister”.
      Gee, I wonder in which government that might have been.

      • Liz J says:

        Well Marin, referring to Fontana as a former “federal cabinet minister” shows we’re up against a real anti-Conservative agenda driven media party.

        • Richco says:

          Why do you say that Liz J.
          Fontana was a Liberal.

          • Anne in swON says:

            They used the word ‘federal’ rather than ‘liberal’. that would not have happened had he been a conservative.

          • Sandy says:

            I can’t speak for Liz. But, IMO the reason is because the media seldom mention Fontana was a former Liberal Chretien Gov’t Cabinet Minister. By omitting the Liberal and Chretien’s descriptors, they likely hope the readers will assume he was a Conservative. Lying by omission.

            • Richco says:

              The joke then is on the media twits because anyone in the London area knows only too well that Fontana is a Liberal.
              That he’s remained seemingly unscathed hasn’t been forgotten by those who depend on London and area media for their news.

  74. Anne in swON says:

    Remember when Duffy emailed rah-rah videos every so often? When did they stop and why? Things are starting to add up for me.

  75. Liz J says:

    People calling for a public inquiry should recall the farce that was the Adscam Inquiry. It cost us a mint and we never saw a penny of the money Chretien tossed to the wind to buy Quebec votes.
    Actually he was the star of the show when he came in with his brief case full of golf balls. He made a mockery of the whole thing including the Judge.

    • wilson says:

      Yah, they want a public inquiry before the RCMP investigations are finished, but think it is unfair to suspend Senators before the RCMP are finished.
      PM Harper and Nigel Wright are not being investigated, and that just doesn’t suit their agenda.

  76. Richco says:

    Perhaps it’s time for the PM and his government to follow-through on the promise of reforming the Senate in a very big way?
    Listening to Lorrie Goldstein just now on SNN suggesting that it is because the PM and his government came in to the office of PM and government promising to fix the Senate, that this is going so badly now because it proves the the PM and government haven’t done that.
    Good point.
    However, Lorrie also pointed out that the PM has two years to do something about that.
    Perhaps now, mid-way through his current mandate would be a most opportune time to put the future of the Senate in the hands of the people of this country?

    Something else Lorrie alluded to was a just released poll out this morning showing a huge majority of Canadians don’t believe that the PM never knew about the $90K cheque. What’s worse is that the numbers in Alberta were bad for the PM and party brand in particular.

    Lorrie’s hardly a Harper-hater, but he did run a very good column last Thursday raising the fact that no side is coming out of this totally believable in the eyes of the public.

    • wilson says:

      That’s the result of 5 1/2 months of being told the PM is lying,
      yet not one person has come forward with info/evidence of such.

    • Bec says:

      The media in AB are the same media you are tortured with out East. 15 second sound bites pounding in the ears of those driving their cars or sitting down for dinner are simply the parroted nonsense that they cut and paste for the news rooms throughout this country.

      I love these surveys tho because I never get them nor do any of the people I know. (sarc off) Interesting who gets them and who believe them….quotes them…repeat them…

  77. Bubba Brown says:

    I think we have seen this movie before.
    Nothing that a Liberal does is illegal.
    If it is on the CBC it must be true.
    This has been going on for how many years now?
    Most of us have been on here since 2006, sharing information and trying to get the truth outthere.
    So the three Senators have not done the right thing, even thought their expenses were being approved all along.
    We have seen this before, a Liberal MP sold her condo to her kids and then was paying them “Rent”
    I don’t recall Pete Mandsbridge soiling his panties on air about that.

    The monies were paid back.
    Why is this still a story?
    Other than MM desperately trying to pave the road to the PM’s office with rose petals for wee Justin.
    I remember Chretain tossing around his golf balls with the presidential seal on them.
    The MM were on them like a pack of trained seals.
    Mr Duffy lit a fuse alright, he was still holding the stick of dynamite when it went off.
    Take a deep breath, this is just more of the same crap we have been inflicted with for the last seven years.

    • Anne in swON says:

      Thanks, Bubba, for your voice of reason. I’ll see your diamond metaphor and raise you a ‘burning his bridges behind him’ one. How could anyone trust him after this, no matter how it ends?

    • Martin says:

      Most of the allegations involve abuse of housing allowances, and commentators point out it is morally deficient to charge expenses on a home you do not live in.
      Fair enough, how about a married couple charging the maximum housing expense for the same dwelling? Housing expenses were never broken out of Olivia Chow’s expenses, but she and Jack Layton billed $42,478 for a property renting for $2000 monthly, $17,000 for her and $25,468 for him. All this part of an astonishing total expense bill of $3000 per month for this couple. This is from a TorStar article, but I don’t remember this being more than a 1 day story.
      Point being, there is only 1 taxpayer and whether expenses are for either house, they come from the same pocket. Media showed a great reluctance to follow up on this story.

  78. Liz J says:

    Let’s call it Braduffwallgate, Americanize it with “gate” so our neighbours to the South will recognize it as a scandal. That is if they pay any attention to us at all given the mess their POTUS has them in.
    Actually if they do pay attention they probably wish they such a good government that this sort of nonsense would be their prime concern.

  79. Richco says:

    Is this why Akin’s in the dog house with Conservatives these days?


  80. Bubba Brown says:

    Thanks Anne in swON
    PM Harper could have handled all this differently , just by taking a page from former Liberal Leaders.
    Well of course we will welcome Senator Duffy back!
    The approach taken by the current Liberal leader.
    Call an Judicial enquiry, show up and throw around a few souveniers, hilarity erupts when MM have cat-fight over cupie dolls and fake noses.
    Frrom mean Jean who knew how to handle a “protester” hence the “hippy-dippy” shake.
    The only scandal here folks is the MM , JMO
    Perhaps the PM should have showed up at the Tee-Pee-on-the Rideau gazed into Theresas eyes pronounced himself inspired and bought Attawapiskats Princess into the CPC with a big bucket of KFC.
    Just sayin’
    Worked for the pretty boy, even though he beat up Brtazeau.

    • Richco says:

      “Perhaps the PM should have showed up at the Tee-Pee-on-the Rideau gazed into Theresas eyes pronounced himself inspired and bought Attawapiskats Princess into the CPC with a big bucket of KFC.”

      Hilarious Bubba, but I’d bet you that even in sharing his KFC the PM would have been vilified for promoting obesity and violating Dalton McGuinty’s junkfood policy.

  81. Gabby in QC says:

    Re: the PM’s unfulfilled promise to reform the Senate. I disagree he has done little if anything to fulfill that promise. Please allow me to repeat what I wrote here & elsewhere at various times when that issue was brought up.

    The Conservative party introduced the following bills on Senate reform:

    – Bill S-4 Senate tenure (2006)

    – Bill C-43 Senate Appointment Consultations Act (2006)

    – Bill C-19 Senate tenure (2007)

    – Bill C-20 Senate Appointment Consultations Act (2008)

    – Bill S-7 Senate term limits (2009)

    – Bill C-7 Selection of senators and amending the Constitution Act, 1867 in respect of Senate term limits (2011)

    Notice that of the 6 bills listed, only the last one was introduced after the Conservatives got their majority.

    Given the opposition by various groups to the bills listed above, especially during two minority governments when the Liberals held a majority in the Senate, and subsequently the opposition to proposed reforms by two major provinces (Ontario & Quebec), as well as some senators appointed on the understanding they supported reform & then reneged, in addition to objections raised by various “constitutional experts” and even the Canadian Bar Association, the Harper Government finally referred the issue to the Supreme Court to determine the constitutionality of various Senate reform measures, including its abolition.

    Those are the reasons why the Senate has not yet been reformed, NOT because of the PM’s inaction. And that is also why the issue of abolition cannot be put to a referendum at ths time. There are constitutional issues involved in abolition as well as in reform. Until the Supreme Court gives its advice, the government cannot arbitrarily hold a referendum.

    P.S.: I’m not trying to raise anyone’s hackles. I’m simply trying to remind readers the issue of Senate reform is not as simple as we’d like it to be.

    • Joanne says:

      I’m simply trying to remind readers the issue of Senate reform is not as simple as we’d like it to be.

      For sure. It’s a giant headache that won’t go away anytime soon.

    • Richco says:

      A good refresher Gabby.

      Perhaps this is another case of how the communications gurus at the PMO and CPC might have focused their efforts in promoting just the steps Gabby has written about above? It’s what they get paid to do for Pete’s sake.

      We’re always playing defense when, for all intent and purpose we (meaning the PM and CPC) have what it takes to taken the offensive.

      • Richco says:

        “have what it takes to take the offensive.”

        We still could IMO.

        Have we ever known Harper not to have something else up his sleeve?

  82. wilson says:

    Let’s recap.
    The media and Opps want us to believe Duffy is telling the truth,
    and our PM lied about knowing anything before May 15 news bombshell.
    That means:
    1) Nigel Wright lied to the RCMP in his submission, when he stated PM Harper was not told about the bail out cheque before or after it was given to Duffy’s lawyers.
    Do you think Nigel Wright lied to police?
    2) 4 lawyers were involved in bribery/criminal acts (you pick the charge),
    running bribe cheques thru their own trust accounts and leaving documentation from one end of Ottawa to the other.
    Do you think 4 lawyers, from both sides, would put their name to something illegal or even questionable , and leave a paper trail a mile wide (as Anne put it) ?

    The media/Opps/’victim Senators’ have done a good job of blurring the lines.
    -The Wright-Duffy cheque was months prior to Libs calling in RCMP,
    there was no hint the expenses were fraudulent, just that the Senate rules were tightened up.
    -And only Lib Sen Mac Harb has been charged by RCMP, so far.
    -PM Harper and Nigel Wright are not under investigation, the Senators are because the Senate committees disallowed the expenses, for drama’s sake the Liberals called in the RCMP
    -Not one person in this 5 1/2 month old ordeal has come forward with info/evidence PM Harper knew about the chq before May 15, as he has said repeatedly, and Wright swore in RCMP statement.

    • Anne in swON says:

      “Do you think 4 lawyers, from both sides, would put their name to something illegal or even questionable , and leave a paper trail…?” As Sandy would say, that’s the crux of the matter. This whole mess just goes to show how difficult it can be to do the right thing.

  83. Ontario Girl says:

    And there was NDP Charlie Angus on “SUN NEWS”. He was his usual holier then thou self. Blasting PM Harper. This is the guy who gave Theresa Spence warm socks and a candle after her audit came out of the un – accounted for spending. How come we haven’t heard from Paul Martin? I thought he would be coming out telling us what “great Canadians” the senators are, like he did with Theresa Spence. Such double standards.

  84. wilson says:

    re: Duffy’s ‘bombshell’ $13k legal fees picked up by the party
    3 Senators in their last ditch effort to save their paycheque for life.

  85. wilson says:

    Here is the email between Duffy and PMO, sent to Solomon, where Duffy says he told anyone who asked the truth, he got RBC loan to pay back expenses.
    Kinda blows the ‘I was coached to say that’, eh.

    • Joanne says:

      Ha! Thanks Wilson. You sure are right on the ball with all this stuff.

    • Bec says:

      Gee whiz……that is pretty straight forward. It makes you wonder if he got $90 thousand, twice?

      • wilson says:

        Did he use his RCB line of credit to run thru the $90k he got from Nigel?
        And isn’t a $13k fee a lot to charge for writing up a ‘cover my butt’ document?
        Did that also cover Duffy’s legal council during the audit? Which at the time was legit use of party funds.

  86. wilson says:

    I was wrong, Wright has been drawn into the investigation.. sorry.
    But what I also found is police case/production orders on Duffy.
    Police say his evidence shows Duffy was ‘reimbursed’ the $90k with bank draft dated March 25 (Duffy said he never saw Nigel’s chq but saw the $13k chq from Hamilton),
    and Nicole Proulx reports to police that she processed a cheque ‘from Duffy’, with his PEI address in the address portion, made out to the Rec Gen for $90,172.24. RCMP have copy of Duffy chq. (date on chq??)
    Duffy told Global news 3 weeks later, in April that he would decide if he would pay the expenses back when outside audit was done. yet he already had paid the expenses back, with his own cheque. ( as Gabby pointed out above)
    So Duffy did get an RBC loan and Wright reimbursed him?
    Or Duffy wrote a chq the same day he deposited Wrights bank draft?
    One thing for sure, he saw Nigel’s money, maybe not the actual bank draft sent to his lawyer, but it went into his bank acct and paid out to Rec Gen.

  87. Bec says:

    Duffy was still in the Conservative caucus when he would have had legal help so for the party to assist him with that expense would be in my eyes, a normal expectation. There wasn’t an RCMP investigation at that point.

    • Richco says:

      I heard a clip in which Harper himself didn’t think one cent should have used by the party to pay Duffy’s legal fees.
      If Harper’s not ok with it why is the party?
      What’d I miss while I was living my life this afternoon?

      • wilson says:

        It’s a done deal. Done at a time when there was no sniff of wrong doing on Duffy’s part.
        When Duffy gets suspended without pay, consider it restitution.

  88. Liz J says:

    Tom Mulcair is obsessed with the whole matter, he cares about nothing else if you can go by his QP ad nauseum questioning of the PM.
    It’s like he’s counting on this to land him in 24 Sussex after the next election.

  89. wilson says:

    Duffy misled us — and he ‘still hasn’t paid a cent back to the taxpayers,’ Harper says
    Good messaging, get back to the big picture.

    • Richco says:

      So now he hasn’t paid back the money.
      Which changes your recap a bit which if we follow the back and forth of Duffy’s changing his mind on whether he did or didn’t pay back anything.
      Pretty straight forward by Harper.

      • wilson says:

        ??? Nigel paid back the money, not Duffy.
        All the other Senators used their own resources to payback, except Duffy.

        • wilson says:

          Police docs say Nigel reimbursed Duffy, which is the same thing. It’s really murky waters around the details, but we should rely on the police records not what Duffy says. The end result is that Duffy used Nigel’s money to pay the expenses back, not his own.

  90. Anne in swON says:

    As expected: “London mayor, former Liberal cabinet minister, to stand trial for allegedly misusing federal funds” http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/10/20131029-132019.html I wonder how many others will report this.

  91. wilson says:

    Precious moment, Callandra (sp?) calls out Solomon on ‘debating himself’ and not letting him answer the question.

  92. wilson says:

    interesting question for Goodale, will CPC lawyer Hamilton sue Duffy’s lawyer for misrepresentation (re: fraudulent expenses)?
    Wondering if Nigel Wright can sue Duffy for his $90k for the same reason??

  93. Ruth says:

    I can’t believe the new polls out tonight. Do people really want Justin as PM. It would be like all the people voting for Obama and now wondering what they have. He is not near prime minister material, if he ever will be.

    • wilson says:

      Just like polls said Dion and Ignatieff would be next PM.
      Well, Dion was turfed as leader and Iggy (and Duceppe) lost their seats in 2011.
      Polls are suspect 2 weeks before an election, let alone 2 years out.

  94. fay says:

    Robert Fife chuckling that Mike Duffy is going to make his last scorched earth speech just before Stephen Harper speaks Friday evening at the convention.
    Me thinks the media party is working with the liberal Senate to maximize damage to the Prime Minister.

    • Ruth says:

      I agree Fay, but the Media Party better be careful what they wish for.

      • fay says:

        I have seen no signs of media party regrets over Ontario’s decline under a decade of liberal rule!

        • wilson says:

          The Senate will be sitting Friday night?
          Otherwise he will have to say what ever he has to say without immunity.
          Or maybe another selective document dump…By now PMSH has seen every piece of paper and is aware of who did/said what.
          The element of surprise has faded.

        • Richco says:

          We never will fay.
          Not as long as the Liberal media dominate our airwaves and ink…..which they do.

    • jon says:

      It will be interesting to compare and contrast the “live” coverage the convention gets with that which was given to Libs’ at Maple Leaf Gardens this past Jan. At that time, the gas plant scandal was not a feature narrative, in spite of the fact that the only reason there was a convention was because of McGuinty’s resignation as a result of the scandal.

      I suspect there will be little coverage of what’s actually being talked about on the convention floor, replaced instead by talk of scandal. They will take their current news programming on the senate — what they’ve done so far — and simply take it on the road, making sure that narrative is primary in what Canadians are given when we tune in.

  95. Anne in swON says:

    According to Paul Callandra on P&P the $13 thousand cheque had nothing to do with any ‘cover-up’ or a scheme as the media and the opps. have been clamouring. It was to cover the cost to Duffy of the Deloitte audit which had already been completed. I’m waiting for that information to be broadcast. Crickets?

    • wilson says:

      I missed that! $13k for one doc , as Opps alleged, seemed excessive.

      • Anne in swON says:

        You’re not the only one to miss it, wilson. I’m betting the consensus media will deliberately choose to ignore that information. Conservatives need to shout it from the rooftops in every interview they do. They also need to point out that the cheque from Hamilton occurred some weeks before Wright’s cheque and there is no linkage. One paid for the audit and the second paid for Duffy’s debt to taxpayers. Two entirely separate transactions.

  96. fh says:

    MM say this Duffy affair is Conservative Adscam I strongly DO NOT AGREE
    I guess they feel millions stolen from Taxpayers is equal to thousands
    economics is not their strong suit

    • wilson says:

      Adscam used the Dept of Public Works to launder millions of stolen taxpayer money and stuff it back in LPC and Liberal pockets. 12 Liberal candidates took this laundered cash to help them win their seats.
      Do they really want to go there and give us an opening for reminding Canadians of the details?

  97. Bec says:

    Based on the facts posted here, I’d predict that this will not end well for Mr Duffy.

    His noise has been undignified, his arguments contradicted and when the Liberal media hates you one day and love you the next that’s not a good thing because they are rarely right and never factual with the truths.

  98. fh says:

    CETA technical summary tabled by PM Stephen Harper in the House
    this is important for all Canadians well done Conservative Government of Canada
    I am proud to be a Canadian with your team in charge

  99. Richco says:

    When we started this thread Ontario provincial politics were getting all of the attention, for all of the right reasons.

    Here’s a little something to remind us of what the Duffy diversion is allowing us to miss in Ontario http://www.torontosun.com/2013/10/29/wynne-and-the-liberals-must-go

    Oh, and it was announced that the WynneWath government has cut OHIP funding for cataract surgery.

  100. Richco says:

    I have my answer in this article directly from Harper himself.

    • Richco says:

      “”The party regularly reimburses members of its caucus for valid legal expenses as do other parties,” Harper said.”

      I don’t consider Duffy’s legal expenses valid and therefore am not happy that they were paid by CPC funds. Why? For exactly the reasons the PM states in context with his quote above.

      Party, caucus member or not. Duffy lied and misspent money, changed and spun his story to the point of twisted conspiracy theories all for the purpose of dragging down the PM and party.

      • Bec says:

        When Mr Duffy initially received these legal costs, he was simply in the throws of an audit, therefore in the pack of those who would qualify for support.

        His subsequent actions/behaviour/accusations are self serving and speak to his character throughout this entire charade.

        He started it, he worked it to his benefit and he needs to own it now but that doesn’t negate the appearance of his situation at the time, when parties tried to help him as simply that, help.

  101. Liz J says:

    Mulcair is enjoying this opportunity to grandstand in the HOC, he’s gone hairy-scary. For those who do not watch the monkey business called QP the Maggots will give it full coverage on TV and in print.
    All of them, the opposition, the media hacks really care more about the opportunity this gives them to pound Harper.

    At this point Duffy has reduced himself to a blowbag with an agenda, beyond just defending himself he’s out to take down anyone he can in the Conservative party even the PM.

    • Bec says:

      The media maggots creating their national noise could be their undoing though.
      If this unelected body disgusts the entire nation (and I predict further audits will) the reform of the Senate will gain traction, nationally.

      There is just something so trashy about what happens to some individuals who start living large on public funds and in the ego building moment of ‘lights, camera, action’.

      Many, many retain their humility and purpose without due credit, our PM as an example but others ride the magic ego carpet, higher and higher.

  102. Liz J says:

    Duffy was known to have wanted a Senate appointment so it’s a good bet he would have accepted it from any PM. He got it, lost all his former pals in the media world, they treated him like a pariah largely because it was a Conservative appointment and some jealousy tossed in.

    He started off doing good work for the party and something went awry and needed to be dealt with. The blame game never works, he will find that out shortly if he hasn’t already. A bit of humility and good will goes a long way in a case like this, you admit your errors and vow to fix them.

    I’m reminded of Paul Martin who coveted the PM job for decades and worked against his nemesis Chretien to oust him and sit on the throne. He got to the throne and had no idea what to do, he was an abject failure and his actions, along with Chretien’s took down the once natural governing party.

    Now maybe Duffy and his large mouth will inadvertently contribute to
    what PM Harper wants to do, reform the Senate, get co-operation from the provinces to elect senators, it’s the simplest solution and would end any chance of party politics being played out in that place.

  103. Ontario Girl says:

    Meanwhile back in Ontario Liberal land…it’s on the table to cut “Cataract surgery” that most seniors will have to deal with eventually, but a sex change is “FREE”. Guess they need to find money for the gas plant fraud using the eye sight of seniors.


    • Liz J says:

      Talk about cockeyed logic coming from this failed Liberal government of Ontario. Now they’re going after seniors adding stress to their lives when they least need it.

      Apparently they’ll cover sex change and in-vitro procedures but let the people who worked and paid taxes for decades can go blind. Nice stuff Andrea Horwath, thanks a lot for supporting this abomination and allowing it to go on.

    • Joanne says:

      Wow! This will come back to bite them – as one commenter to the article said, “Time for the grey power to cut the Liberals at the next election!”

    • Bec says:

      This should outrage more than just Seniors, it should outrage their Kids and Grandkids.

      Caring for a sight deficient Senior does become the challenge of the family members, sometimes neighbours and friends too so the domino effect will be factored in re voters at the caregiver level.

      A really heartless, incompetent decision but then they are good at that it seems.

      • Liz J says:

        This should be the last straw for any thinking, caring person living in this province.

        The McGuinty wrecking ball government got to this mess stubbornly adhering to a lost cause that is called green energy. We have gained nothing but higher and higher energy bills and now they’re going after our basic health care needs to help them keep their snouts above water in their sinking ship.

        So many seniors like the independence that comes with being able to drive when healthy and fit, eyesight is key to them being able to continue to drive. Cataract removal is a necessity, not a cosmetic procedure.

        We can either go after our MPP’s to put these incompetent sorry excuses for managers of this province OUT or go down with their ship, we’re almost there.

        • Joanne says:

          Yes I agree that this should be the last straw. But of course we thought that so many times before…

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  105. Liz J says:

    BTW if your blood pressure is under control read the ottawa Citizen editorial”Stephen Harper’s walk in the snow”. It’s the purest example of the media hacks at their worst. It’s the dirtiest pack of crap I’ve ever read on this subject.

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