Read then shower

If you ever wanted to be a fly on the wall of the Ontario Liberal Party… Behind the curtain: Ontario Liberal emails offer rare glimpse into backrooms of power.

Actual emails here.

BC Blue has more.

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Update:

Wynne, Milloy discuss gas plant scandalCTV Kitchener:

“This was the previous administration,” says Kathleen Wynne.

Yeah except you were part of that previous administration as a member of the Cabinet and Election Campaign Co-Chair if I’m not mistaken.  And your new caucus member from Ottawa is a former McGuinty aide.

Oh never mind.

McGuinty campaign co-manager to testify at Ontario power plant committeeGlobe  (I think I’ve used up most of my “free” Globe articles now. Will have to find other news sources.)

Don Guy’s performance in the Justice Committee was something today. One more Globe link for you: Liberal insider strains credulity during gas plants testimony (Adam Radwanski):

At one point, Mr. Guy was asked by Mr. Tabuns’s caucus colleague Gilles Bisson whether he had been involved in talks about trying to influence the Speaker of the Legislature to change a ruling. “No,” Mr. Guy responded flatly, even though there are e-mails on the public record that show him discussing precisely that.

Kelly McParland: Dalton McGuinty’s implementer-in-chief washes his hands of gas plant mess – National Post (Too many pithy items in here to even attempt to isolate one.)

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73 Responses to Read then shower

  1. Richco says:

    Just confirms everything we’ve ever believed.
    The Ontario Liberals corner the market in pulling the wool over the eyes of all Ontarians.
    What a sleazy bunch.
    We deserve so much better. Very sad for this province.

  2. bigcitylib says:

    BC Blue is a kook.

    • Joanne says:

      And that’s all you’ve got?

    • paulsstuff says:

      Great rebuttal BCL. Now care to address the facts, that is emails show coverup, lies, taxpayer money being abused, prorogation done to save their asses, use of personal attacks against Hudak’s wife to deflect attention., media knowingly covering propoganda for the Libs to change the channel?

      • Richco says:

        and those lies go right up the Ont. Liberal food chain.
        Come to think of it, I DO recall reading about the speculation about McGuinty running federally – likely on a Liberal blog – it was all part of the deceit

    • fh says:

      bigcitylib you are hot and bothered by job losses
      10,000 jobs lost in Ontario not a record Mcguinty wynne should be bragging about shame shame on Ontario Liberals biggest scandal in Canadian Politics

    • Liz J says:

      Bigcitylib, when out of ammunition it’s wise to lay low…..

  3. David Stewart says:

    I’d be more concerned with how the senate spending scandal is affecting the Harper government’s brand.

    Justin in 2015.

    • Joanne says:

      Gotta think this struck a nerve..

      • paulsstuff says:

        Ya think Joanne:0) I think David, much like BCL doesn’t want to address the facts. BCL calls BC Blue a kook and David Stewart thinks a post about the Ontario Liberal Party somehow means he should bring up the federal senate.

        By the way guys, those are actual emails, not something made up by “anonymous sources”. Kinda funny Bobby Fife, after running a story where he claimed a written agreement was made by Duffy/Wright suddenly doesn’t know if it even exists when pressed by the RCMP.

        But hey guys, don’t worry, JT has nice hair so I’m sure that makes him PM material.

    • Richco says:

      nice try at a deflection Dave.
      This is all on the Ontario Liberals and their stink.

    • fh says:

      David Stewart well, of course the Liberal senators have a squeaky clean record NOT
      Liberal senator Mac Harb has some explaining to do
      if you live in a glass house do not throw stones
      have you read Bob Plamondon’s new book “The truth about Trudeau”
      all Canadians must read before 2015

    • Liz J says:

      Justin in 2015? Better send him off to the groomers, keep him under wraps until he’s presentable and can. At this point it may be as fruitless as trying to scrub spots off a leopard.

      Even if I were a Liberal I wouldn’t want to see JT representing Canada abroad, he’s enough of an embarrassment here when he opens his mouth on many fronts. It’s an insult to the intelligence of Canadians to think we’d vote for a suit with name recognition.
      Reminds of Elizabeth May’s blurting out “Canadians are stupid” in one of her running off at the mouth sessions, appears Liberals are counting on it.

    • Sandy says:

      “Justin in 2015?” You’ve got to be kidding. Imagine him up against Putin, Obama or Cameron. The very idea is an embarrassment for all Canadians. Trudeau man may be a nice man but he seems like he is still in his early 20s in terms of maturation. Maybe in 2023. He would need that long to get serious instead of mouthing all the simplistic platitudes that he does.

    • Pissedoff says:

      You mean so the unions can take over all of Canada and not just Ontario?

  4. Liz J says:

    The anatomy of a scandal to beat all scandals, no wonder they were jumping ship like rats, with a trail of sleaze, corruption, dirty political tactics, you name it. Why in Hades are they still standing?

    Time for the PC’s to give their heads a shake and realize we have a more serious task at hand than trying to bump out our leader. The Liberals have to go at the first opportunity.

  5. paulsstuff says:

    “Finally, we need a daily attack on the Hutton-Hudak connection.”

    I’m sure the media will be up in arms over bullying and personal attacks like whenever Shiny Pony has something lobbed his way.(sarcasm on)

    • Joanne says:

      MSM media are being played for the fools that they are.

      • Richco says:

        they’re actually playing WITH the fools – one and the same.
        Some media should be wearing this cover-up alongside the Liberals.

      • Liz J says:

        There’s a fools game going on with the media and Liberals and the ignore the facts, the truth is not to be told about the Liberal corruption, stalk Conservatives where ever they are in public life. Mayor Ford is being stalked just for living, going about his business and among the people he represents. People who stalk people in public life usually have to ask for police protection even from harassment. In Ford’s case he may not be physically harmed but the purpose for the stalking by media is to damage his character by making a fool of him. Making up tall tales and conclusions without proof such as he drank a couple of beers therefore he’s drunk.

        • Joanne says:

          One thing for sure – the Ford-haters will never give up until they’re both out of office. Sad.

  6. Liz J says:

    We can only hope, maybe against hope, the outing of these emails will give the voters the insight they need to wake up to the realities of this ongoing Liberal administration and concentrate on what needs to be done to deal with the biggest mess in our history. That includes the PC’s who seem to have been taking stupid pills. This is a time to put personal ambitions aside and rally the troops. Those looking to dump the leader or set the stage to do so may as well join the opposition.

    • Joanne says:

      Liberal media focusing on Rob Ford having a few brews and Tim Hudak’s ‘failure’. I’m so sick of this stuff.

      • Sandy says:

        I’m sick of it too. My sisters-in-law who live in Toronto are sick of it too and say they will vote for Ford again because of this constant pile on.

        • Fay says:

          My son and his recreational hockey friends are solidly in support of Rob Ford. The rest of Canada is is being bombarded with misleading Bob Ford stories on national news channels and radio. The citizens of Toronto know better!

        • Joanne says:

          Yes the whole thing is nauseating. I feel the need for a break coming on. ;)

      • Liz J says:

        It’s sickening to think the media is picking on Ford and Hudak when we are paying the price for the worst government in the history of this province which these two men had nothing to do with. Hudak can do little when the people vote in a majority government or in this case a near majority with NDP support.

        As always the media turns to personal attacks when the chips are down on their Liberals at any level they turn to tabloid tactics. Stalking Ford, elected Mayor by the people of Toronto and doing his job well, trying to have a life in and around the city, is great sport for them. McGuinty and company who made the mess then resigned after creating the scandals are off their radar, no stalking for answers, no harassing, they treat them with the dignity they do not deserve for what they have done.

  7. wilson says:

    PCs could use the emails in online ‘attack’ video(s ) , and spread the word,
    right about the time kids get back to school and parents will pay attention.
    SunNews would give the videos air time ? Ezra could have a field day with this!

  8. Sandy says:

    Hi Jo.

    Completely O/T.

    I just wrote a post today re a column in yesterday’s NP about those who don’t think we need to teach grammar or written language skills, given the current TechSpeak we use on Twitter and texting.

    Since I am no longer on the BT aggregator, I thought some of the BLY regulars might be interested in reading it. Here.

  9. Bec says:

    THIS is just so ‘Liberal’ ………….”I’d be more concerned with how the senate spending scandal is affecting the Harper government’s brand.”

    Deflect, deny. distort, destroy, dip in, IS the ‘Liberal brand’ and has been the mindset of the politicians representing the “brand” to say nothing of their voters for quite some time. To excuse THIS Premier, disgusting, to rationalize this, a disease.

    Liberals who support this are in serious need of an intervention. Are they ALL so corrupt because a pattern has certainly been developing since the not so great PM Trudeau. Narcissists! Wow.

  10. paulsstuff says:

    So was Joan Bryden played for a fool, or a fool playing along?

    • Joanne says:

      My takeaway from this is that we’ve all been played for fools; but especially the media.

      • Richco says:

        as far as I’m concerned Bryden in in the fools parade right along with any and all media twits either sucked in by accident or in collusion with the Liberals. You know who they are. There the ones feeding Ontarians a steady diet of Liberal talking points.

        I don’t include SNN among those. Although, some SNN pundits seem to be riding the wave of “get rid of Hudak” mantra at the same time they’re hitting the Liberals with those emails.

  11. fh says:

    I just reviewed our MM no headlines about the biggest scandal in Ontario politics
    Liberals must go now the media is aiding and abetting their actions

  12. Liz J says:

    To think I always thought mainstream media were an arm of the government only in communist regimes where they don’t have a choice.

    • Richco says:

      this is the slowest news cycle of the year.
      All parties no it.
      Even the PCs. Even Hudak’s been on vacation for the past weeks.
      So too journalists.
      Don’t get too hung up on the fact that it’s not headline news everywhere.
      SNN has had it continually for weeks – yet they rarely get a mention.
      Likely for the same reason. Slow news cycle. No one cares enough to read the news during the summer.
      I’m at that point myself. The last time I took time off and didn’t read the news or the blogs – it was oddly GREAT and refreshing.
      Truth is that in life media and politics really don’t hold water to those other things we take for granted and enjoy.
      Hope you take a breather Joanne looks like we’re finally getting some summer like conditions over the next weeks in Ontario.
      Make the most of those – hit the links.
      Cheers!

      • Joanne says:

        Thanks Richco! I do intend to ‘unplug’ completely for a while very soon. This kind of weather is fantastic for golf and just enjoying what’s left of the summer.

      • Richco says:

        …..”all parties know it”….actually the other works too.

    • fay says:

      Agree Liz J. I was totally shocked when CBC and peter mansbridge immediately began attacking Stephen Harper when he became prime minister. I foolishly expected to him to streat all prime Ministers equally.Especiallyafter watching him support everything and I mean everything prime minister Chretien did for 10 years, covering up any Liberal mis steps as honest mistakes. I guess I never paid that much attention before.
      That was a big wake up call for me!

  13. Bubba Brown says:

    Good Morning Blue folks, back from my neighborhood holiday no long commute here!
    Anyway reading the MM”News”, should come with a barf bag, and an app that allows me to put a “Paper Bag” on the head of the news reader.
    Rob Ford it seems is guilty of having a good time in the public eye, mighta even had a few beer.
    This is news?
    Given the ton of E-Mails showing the Liberal Lying Liars at work Lieing to all and sundry while they drive the economy into the ditch is apparently not newsworthy.
    No suprises from Maggot Media. Liberals can ” Wag their Weiner” all they want.
    The Mayor of Toronto who is actually doing a very good job for his dollar a year they lie in wait to ambush him.
    I am reminded of Abraham Lincoln’s reply to critics of General US Grant it is a keeper and an answer to the MM shriekers, backstabbers and Liberal Toadys.

    After the failure of his first experimental explorations around Vicksburg, a committee of abolition war managers waited upon the President and demanded the General’s removal, on the false charge that he was a whiskey drinker, and little better than a common drunkard. “Ah!” exclaimed Honest Old Abe, “you surprise me, gentlemen. But can you tell me where he gets his whiskey?” “We cannot, Mr. President. But why do you desire to know?” “Because, if I can only find out, I will send a barrel of this wonderful whiskey to every general in the army.”

    If I lived in Toronto I would not only vote for Mayor Ford, I would pound on doors and help get out the vote.

    • Liz J says:

      Too ironic. He’ll be speaking Anglais there. Of course if he gets the urge to parlez en Francais he can hop over to France, where btw one can get by in English without the hassle English speaking Canadians have when they visit certain parts of Quebec.

  14. Joanne says:

    Pamela Wallin presser on now.

    • Gabby in QC says:

      I think Ms. Wallin’s explanations & reaction to the Deloitte audit make sense. Although she’s not in total agreement with the findings of the audit, she said she would pay back whatever the Senate committee rules she owes — which seems to be beyond the Power Panel’s Rob Silver’s understanding, i.e. that someone is willing to pay back whatever (s)he owes. No, Rob Silver, it’s not an admission of guilt on Ms. Wallin’s part, it’s complying with the rules, even if she disagrees with the findings.

    • Liz J says:

      Are Senators not given written rules on expense claims re travel and residential expenses? In the case of Duffy and Wallin, the now most famous ones because they were appointed by PM Harper, who is responsible for putting out the money claimed/signing the cheques?
      Do those people not have some responsibility to inform them of the allowable amount for each claim according to set guidelines?
      Was there in any way a set up to cause this mess? Was it all down to purposeful misinformation?

      • fh says:

        isn’t it strange we the Taxpayers never heard about the senators expenses before
        surely this has been a problem for a long time
        now that the conservative Government is trying to bring about much needed reforms we are exposed to the fraud of some SOME senators
        we need these appointments to only be for 8 to 10 years not for life
        Pamela Wallin was a busy senator we need to wait until we know all the facts
        Jo take a complete break for golf and pleasure
        we need you back refreshed in September

        • Joanne says:

          Jo take a complete break for golf and pleasure

          Thanks Fh! I will do so shortly. Will give you guys some warning.

      • Sandy says:

        The way I have heard Wallin explain things is that the Senate will pay for her to go from Ottawa to Sask direct. However, she does a lot of public service.

        So, lets say she has a meeting at the Univ of Guelph. Instead of going straight home, she flies to Toronto. Then, drives to Guelph for the meeting at the Univ of Guelph. After the meeting, she drives back to the Toronto airport and takes a flight home to Sask.

        So, is the flight to and from Toronto not according to Senate rules?

        In other words, Wallin stops along the way or takes a completely different detour to a speaking event in Nova Scotia. So, does she now have to give up everything but her Senate work or pay for all her air fair because she goes elsewhere on her way home?

        It is NOT that she is admitting guilt or dishonest!!!

        Hmm. I am betting the media and folks like Silver will now concentrate on Mac Harb’s situation. Right? Yea, sure. Not!

        • Joanne says:

          Sandy I agree with you. I really don’t think Wallin intended to break any rules or get away with something. Many of those expenses had already been approved by the Senate and it was that Deloitte was applying rules retroactively as I understand it.

          Anyway, yes let’s see what’s happening with Mac Harb.. *crickets*

  15. Richco says:

    Apparently Elections Canada says that election laws don’t apply to Liberals.
    No kidding, tell us something we don’t know.
    http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/general/elections-canada-says-election-law-does-not-apply-to-liberals/

  16. fh says:

    message to Ontario Liberals READ THE DRUMMOND REPORT for ideas on improving the economy for Ontarians
    Thanks Jo good catch Twitter is HOT

    • Richco says:

      if you thought that when the Drummond report was released over a year ago that the Liberals would actually follow it, you’d be in the minority.
      That they would ignore most of it out of the gate didn’t surprise most.

      Hudak would have been wise to adopt many of those as his platforms for the next election actually.

  17. MadMacs of Bytown says:

    Don Guy, former Ontario Liberal campaign manager, is key witness at Gas Plants committee interrogations today at 09:00 am at

    http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/go2.jsp?Page=/webcast/webcast_main&locale=en&menuItem=dandp_webcast

    PC Energy Critic, Vic Fedeli, leads off questioning.

    • Anne in swON says:

      Is there a purpose to the canned music I’m hearing at the above link? The MPPs appear to be talking but all I hear is canned music of the sort I’d expect to hear during a lull in the proceedings. Strange.

  18. frmgrl says:

    Hi ya all. Haven’t checked in here at BLY in a while. I have been very busy. I trust all of you here are having a great summer as it will be over soon. Will be meeting my daughter and her ten month old baby girl tonite at the Calgary airport. They are coming in from Norway where they have been living for the past few months. My daughter’s husband has been working there in the oil and gas industry as an engineer. Her husband arrives in a couple of weeks, he still has some work to finish up. Btw, the baby is already walking. Have been communicating with them through Skype, just not the same as in person. Can’t wait to see them tonite.

    As far as the Senate fiasco goes, the rules are in desperate need of change. As it stands right now, the current rules are as clear as mud. All expenses should be posted online for both Senators and MPs.

    • Joanne says:

      Good to hear from you Frmgrl! Have a great time with your daughter and granddaughter. How exciting!

  19. Liz J says:

    So Saskatchewan MP Mervin Tweed is resigning, wonder how the media will spin this one?

  20. Liz J says:

    So Tim Hudak says no leadership review for him. I’d say that’s pretty decisive, a good move and should focus attention where it needs to be. To fight against this decision will result in a crumbled party.

    • Joanne says:

      Totally agree Liz.

    • jon says:

      There is one “positive” aspect that results from such “infighting” — it shows conservatives (both red and blue) as being different than Liberals in that there are disagreements within the party often times, even on leadership such as with Hudak, as opposed to Liberals, where the leadership questions in particular seem to come from the opps exclusively. In our case, unfortunately, it’s to our own detriment most times.

      You couldn’t find much dissention among the LPC during Dion’s time as “leader”, even though most would have probably acknowledged in private that he should be replaced, prior to the 2008 election. Heck, even that was hard to come by. The party stuck it out with him, rather than risk a snap election call as a leadership review and a possible leadership race unfolding.

      As with many others, I’m not the biggest fan of Hudak either, but he is the leader and will be going into the general election. The only thing that’s going to result from all the “internal” leadership questions is to have I place third in many of the byelections we finished 2nd ih and quite possibly having us finish 3rd in total votes cast in those same ridings in the general election. I can just see the Libs using this kind of stuff in election ads… “If members of Tim Hudak’s own party don’t have confidence in him as leader, how can Ontarians have confidence in him running the province?… Hudak: not a leader!”

      Why we are so prone to shoot ourselves in the foot when we our so much better than our opponents is beyond me… just one of the perils of being a conservative, I guess.

  21. Jen says:

    Canadian Politics

    Thomas Mulcair links Lac-Megantic disaster, ‘gutting’ of regulations by conservatives

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/08/13/thomas-mulcair-links-lac-megantic-disaster-gutting-of-regulations-by-conservatives/

  22. fh says:

    excellent video of Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH56k8kY7ag&feature=related

  23. fh says:

    this is a good CBC interview 2011 with the Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6L4ru8t0BY

  24. fh says:

    CBC interview with Tim Hudak before by elections more PC voters turned out to vote in these 5 by elections than Liberal voter and NDP voters Tim Hudak is getting the job done he deserves our support and help
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99vk0aAIc98

  25. Liz J says:

    Concerning the embattled Upper Chamber, is anyone really that upset or is it all about getting at PM Harper? Have to wonder because it seems the media are focused on Duffy and Wallin because they’re well known and Conservative appointees while letting Mac Harb get on with life and fight charges in court. Also a big factor in the case of Duffy and Wallin is their former media cohorts can’t handle the fact they were appointed by and representing a Conservative government, they assumed they were one of their own, LIBERAL. Duffy was a target the moment he was appointed.
    Have to wonder if Harb was nabbed to balance things out and then ignore him, after all he was there much longer and why was he not checked out long before?
    It’s hard to understand why those looking after the Senate accounts are not to blame as well.

  26. wilson says:

    Have not been following the Senator Wallin reports much, but this is one of the travel expense ‘wrong doings’ I don’t see as wrong:
    night flight from Ottawa to Toronto, (overnight in her apartment), flight next day to Saskatoon, 3 1/2 hr drive to Wadena….
    that was acceptable until the rules got clarified, and now the committee/audit states Sen Wallin should have flown from Ottawa-Toronto to Saskatoon those same nights, and got a hotel room at taxpayers expense.
    All connecting flights to Saskatchewan are from Toronto, it was not a ‘special’ trip.
    Where is the common sense here?

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