Why all this effort to discourage Bob Rae from seeking the position of permanent leader of the Federal Liberal Party?
Keep your powder dry, folks. And don’t do them any favours.
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Who else have they got? Who else wants to take over this divided rump of a party?
Well there’s always Ezra’s Shiny Pony.
That would almost be better for us, almost. So airhead that Trudeau is, Rae’s attack ads practically write themselves, as is evident. So yeah, no help please, shhhhhhh.
Even Ezra’s Shiny Pony knows the risks of taking over the badly listing SS Liberal. He’s keeping his shine with an acceptable excuse, putting family first.
Liz, I can’t believe I’m defending the Shiny Pony’s reasons for not running for the leadership (aside from his not being in the least qualified for the leadership of anything, let alone a political party). But, he’s probably remembering the toll his father’s political career took on his mother and his two brothers. Sure, there was lots of money, but there’s no substitute for Mom and Dad. (I stayed home with my kids at great financial sacrifice because my Mom had to work …)
Hey, I said it was an acceptable excuse but I’m no so sure he wouldn’t go for it if the situation with the Liberals were different. He may be remembering his own experience, and also realizes it’s not worth the gamble so early in his career. He may be politically smarter than we think as well. He’s not doing himself any harm by backing away at this time for sure.
Their buddy Omar K.
Their buddy Omar K is directed to Lizj’s 8:10am comment
I don’t know Ottawa at all but curious minds want to know if there is a senior citizen’s lodge close to parliament hill. Bob would likely need to go home for a nap mid afternoon and too long a trip would make it difficult to get face time on CBC.
Bob Rae is going to fight back!!! He said so. Ralph Goodale has $2 M stashed away just for the fight…..
Ignatieff wouldn’t answer the coalition of losers question,
and Rae won’t answer the leadership race question.
Same deceptive tactics from the Liberal old boys.
If Rae is the best the LPC can do, an exDipper they already rejected once (came in 3rd in the only leadership race LPC has had since 2006 when Martin tossed in the towel) ,
they may as well fold up tent.
Yes, all that and Kinsella doesn’t want him as leader either, the division gulf is widening.
I could have some respect for Rae if he would stand and admit the game he’s playing, even more if he would announce he’s not seeking the leadership as the Liberal policy dictates. However, we all know about the record on Liberals keeping promises, we’re living it in Ontario.
Liberals are going after the ‘young’ folks who know nothing of Rae’s history.
Here is Alberta, newcomers to our province (who we love) know nothing of the NEP. And are not shocked by Redford’s nanny state approach…..
History lessons are good.
WE have a lot of work to do…….they (non tax paying voters) were the ones to elect the Calgary (gong show) Mayor.
If I remember rightly, bobs signature was on the coalition document and so was the shiny pony.
It’s the gift that keeps giving and the one liberals wish never happened.
Good point! And now that the NDP has lost Jack, that kind of coalition would be even less popular.
There is always Dalton. If Rae can join the liberals after his disaster to ontario Dalton has just as much chance to join the fed lib party. A party where the media including SNN stay far away from discussing. In other words, a safe haven party where no media will venture into far less investigate.
Did ” Working Families” run ads outside the election period?
Just asking cuz The LibDippers want to kill free speech for 3rd party activists.
Wilson, you’re probably referring to this, right?
I believe Working Families did run ads outside the writ period. This TVO site mentions it in March.
What I’m not sure about is how the election rules differ both federally & provincially but it would be interesting to know. And why didn’t the NCC go after McGuinty more forcefully?
The appropriate quote regarding Bob Rae, comes from Churchill in his description of
Austen Chamberlain:
“He always played the game, and he always lost it”
Rae has accomplished a lot of political boners in his career thus far, such as:
Introducing the NC motion to defeat Joe Clark and thus bring Pierre Trudeau back to power.
Attempting to spend the province out of recession in 1990s Ont.
Changing from NDP to Liberals just as the Liberals began their decline
Staying in the Liberal leadership vote to the end thus allowing Stephen Dion to win
Anyone can fill in a favourite. The CPC could have a field day reminding voters of some of his quotes and actions. No provincial premier has been elected PM since the 19th century, Rae would be no exception to this rule. I say bring him on as leader.
O/T, AT ISSUES with Mansbridge talk about the the media: ‘are they your friend or foe and that you cannot lie to them.’
The Media: Friend or Foe?
http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/theinsiders/2012/01/the_media_friend_or_foe.html
Let me remind that fool, that the media has lied daily to suit their purpose and political party.
Seem to me Bob Rae would be a good fit as Liberal Leader.
I guess Wily Coyote wasen’t interested.
I want BoB rae leader because it will secure prime Minister Harpers power and the Conservatives to stay in Majority for a long long time. and even when PM Harper leaves there will be people like Jason Kenny. who is being groomed for pm
I absolutely disagree Roy. Anything can happen in an election campaign and the wrong headline at the wrong time can swing fortunes. The most important thing is that Bob Rae never becomes Prime Minister of Canada. Having him lead a party into an election creates that possibility, however small you think that probability might be. He doesn’t even need to finish in first place, all he needs is a Tory minority.
I would never endorse Bob Rae as Liberal leader even if I believed he gave the Conservatives the best chance of winning, just on the small probability that he could win and get his hands on the levers of power.
Whatever happened to Dominic LeBlanc’s ambitions? He always concerned me as the biggest threat to upset the Tories.
LeBlanc isn’t interested in getting down to work to build the rump, he and Justin TeeHee are willing to sit back, let Rae take it on and take the fall should their fortunes not improve.
The Liberals might be figuring, with the NDP running out of favour in Quebec, they might gain a few seats UNLESS the Bloc has enough of a resurgence to stop them both. Quebec cannot be counted on, their votes are fluid.
So the past weekend’s Liberal convention was essentially one where brand spanking new policies would be devised, introduced, and decided upon.
Seeing that the LPC is mired deep in the mud as the third party, and would have to come up with ground-shaking policies designed to renew/reinvigorate/refresh their party, what was your favourite Tory/Dipper slaying policy that the Liberals came up with?
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Me, myself, really couldn’t name a single paradigm shift.
Nothing monumental. Nothing except to show Canadians that rigor mortis hasn’t set in – yet.
There was no great policy on the stuff that matters to Canadians – economy, health, taxation, trade, resources, education, employment, etc. (Obviously some are under provincial jurisdiction, but that never stopped the federal Libs from weighing in).
For a party that needed to hit homerun after homerun, they really just took walks and bunted the ball.
Sorry kids..I can’t support a Bob for Leader campaign.I want HEDY! That would be the epitome of a gong-show,but Hedy does meet all the Lib criteria..female,and bat-sh*t crazy!
Oh yeah. Hedy would be AWESOME!
I agree,Hedy would be a GREAT Liberal leader! Let’s start a draft Hedy Fry for Liberal leader campaign.
My favourite would be Carolyn Bennett, she’s a basket case like the party.
If they want to get a leg up on their main opponents of Left, they might want to choose a woman to lead them.
What happened to blogging tories, it has gone black.
It’s supposed to be part of the SOPA protest.
https://twitter.com/#!/stephen_taylor/status/159705609351086082
That’s stupid. Is Stephen Taylor trying to win hearts and minds by joining a silly protest? Why doesn’t he just camp out in front of the art gallery?
Apparently this whole thing could affect Blogging Tories.
OT, but looks like the pipeline is dead in the USA, with democrats blaming republicans for putting in a deadline that couldn’t be met. If a lot of work has already been done, how can they change the route, will all that work done just be forgotten.
And guess who makes the final decision, our gal Hillory as sec of state.
What if TransCanada tells the USA, sorry, we will not make another application, get your blood oil from the mid east, providing that narrow strait it goes thru is not closed.
Well that sucks.
Paul Wells has the memo.
TransCanada already has announced another application. According to former ambassador to Canada (interviewed on CTV) the project is far from dead.
If another of 3 years of environmental studies is not dead?
Very disappointed in the pipeline being given a thumbs down by the US.
Wonder if there’s a lot of the Green Eyed Monster behind their decision?
I have to believe it, nothing else can make any sense for such a decision. The ‘Mericans can’t bear to be so far behind Canada, our econmony has to be grating on Obama, the great man of hope, and his administration.
We’ll see whose media party will be on. Any guesses?
Should read “We’ll see whose SIDE the media party will be on”
CBC is definitely celebrating the destruction of the oil industry in Canada and praising the Environmental Lobby .
CBC is celebrating the shut down of the pipeline. CEO’s of environmental groups are boasting of their success with Obama and warning Stephen harper that the Gateway pipeline will be shut down next.
Now CTV’s Roger is supporting the pipeline shut down and hoping the success has taught the environmental lobby best ways to shut down the gateway pipeline.
Now CTV and CBC openly supporting for the shut down of canadian oil industry.
cbc was reporting that their very own Suzuki had already put out a statement gloating about this.Maybe PMSH should go to cbc and tell them,’sorry you morons,the loss of pipeline/jobs just defunded your jobs!’ Then walk away laughing..I would LOVE that scenario.
That would be sweet!
BTW Ezra is going ballistic on this.
NO MORE $1.6BILLION FOR CBC. We need that money more than CBC for the little guy who will not have a job.
PM, GIVE THE $1.6BILLION TO INNOCENT CANADIANS WHO TRULY NEED IT AND SCREW CBC AND LET THEM EAT GARBAGE FOR A CHANGE.
NDP MP Megan Leslie must be so proud to have stopped Canadian jobs.
Fay,very clearly Leslie is PROUD to have all these jobs GONE.She stated on cbc that she does NOT support the pipeline,and will continue to fight it.And that folks,is your NDP…hate good paying jobs for all..Nathan Cullen basically said same thing.I think this will be the dividing line between the Libs and Dips..Mark Garneau shot her down as an ‘isolationist’ on P&P just now.
This could be the best chance ever for the Liberals to mop up the NDP.
Not a chance Lizj, the ndp has the lpc wrapped around their little finger, which they keep proving it by warning the libs of their (libs) 56billion EI mess which is now costing canadians to rebuild. they also have Bob Rae bankrupting Ontario story to tell. The ndp most likely will use the lib flag for their own purpose. No, they are bonded together in bribery imo.
Not only Megan Leslie Fay but Elizabeth May and most medias as well.
And since jobs will be limited, CBC has to find other jobs because canadians will need that $1.6billion to feed this nation.
I hope that those who are being denied of jobs protest Megan Leslie from Parliament. she deliberately went to the states to lobby against the oilsands and pipelines and jobs.
There is one thing protesting in your country but protesting against your own country and its main recources in foreign country which Megan Leslie did, deserves to be kicked out of parliament. She and her party and ndp Bpb Rae are detriments to canada’s economy.
Doesn’t the NDP want us to build more refineries in Alberta? I thought that was the point of them criticizing the jobs we’d lose if the oil was refined in Texas.
Iceman, if only Ezra would show on screen how many enviros like suzuki, leslie, May, the movies, cbc ctv all live strictly on Green.
Not one of those so call enviros live without the use of oil- they drive fly eat wear even sit on a toilet seat that has oil in it.
How GREEN are you Megan Leslie- prove it.
Ezra’s done this and more Jen, so have others on SNN
Megan Leslie should rally against the pipelines in her province and the offshore drilling which in rough water can cause more disaster than that of the Gateway Pipeline.
Oil & Natural Gas Exploration in Nova Scotia
http://www.gov.ns.ca/energy/oil-gas/public-education/oil-natural-gas.asp
http://www.gov.ns.ca/energy/oil-gas/
I just noticed this poll via NNW – Apparently Bob Rae is more popular than Mark Carney with Canadians as a leadership choice.
Maybe someone already mentioned that here and I missed it but it sure is a shocker to me.
Has anyone asked Mark Carney if he’s interested in entering such a quagmire? Is he even a Liberal to start with?
Yeah, I’m curious where Frank Graves got that name to include it in his poll. I wasn’t aware that Carney was a Liberal or intended to run for them. Also, he praises Bob Rae’s approval rating. He’s sitting in opposition, all he does is stand up and complain! That’s far easier than running the country.
I didn’t know that about Mark Carney either. You would think that in a position like his one would try to maintain a non-partisan attitude.
Mark Carney’s name was flying around as a possible candidate for months.
THIS IS A PUSH POLL designed to give a false message and allow those who spin for a living to continue to pull one over on their target audience.
Don’t fall for the hype because that’s all it is….the media party and liberal losers can make polls say just about anything they wish, but they can NOT win Ontario for the Liberals under a Bob Rae led LPOC
I think Evan just had an orgasm on live tv over the Keystone decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think he had one when Suzuki emailed him on air the other day too.
Evan and Megan Leslie feeling the love after destroying jobs in the Canadian oil industry.
I think Marc G just gave a good put down to Megan.
There are fools and damned fools but it’s hard to get one’s head around the fact we have such a representation of them against their own country’s prosperity.
I am watching Evan Solomon interview Mr. Oliver.
Evan Solomon disgusts me. It is obvious he is shilling for the environmental lobby and the shut down of the oil sands.
Now he is working with Bob Rae to discredit Minister Oliver and the Canadian government.
Disgusting.
Bob Rae’s such a has-been I wonder what mirror he’s looking in each morning:
Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the best Leader of the Opposition of all?
Mirror: You, dear Bob — though I tell a lie; keep pretending — you’re young and spry!
Go VOTE at cbc poll Question of the Day re the pipeline.
Barack Obama has vetoed the XL Pipeline. Newt Gingrich shares his thoughts about Obama’s “sheer utter stupidity”:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/
I have just witnessed Megan Leslie on 2 networks, and have concluded she is rapidly becoming the most clueless and irritating MP from any party. Her childish prattling about favouring the new “green energy” is based on little more than fantasy. Fossil fuels will continue to heat her dwellings, grow her food, and provide her transportation for her lifetime, or much longer.
She seems to equate wind power somehow as an alternative to fossil fuels. At this moment the IESO web records wind power’s contribution to Ont’s total demand for electricity. All 1200 or so turbines are producing .8% of demand on a clear, still night with -20 forecast. Just how do people like Leslie figure to heat their homes in the green utopia she gushes on so much about?
Meghan Leslie must really hate birds.
Just how do people like Leslie figure to heat their homes in the green utopia she gushes on so much about?
That question should be hammered at her Martin, because I have not seen nor heard from her how she maintains heat in her house without the use of oil.
Interesting..that Megan represents a riding in the Maritimes..and that majority of workers in the ‘patch’ are from there.So….why would they vote in some leftwing green loon? Maybe they should consider voting for someone that supports real jobs?
this is a very good article about the pipeline….especially the comments. The Americans want the pipeline.
http://nationaljournal.com/congress/obama-rejecting-pipeline-pokes-back-at-gop-20120118?mrefid=subhplead_1
I wonder where David MaGinty is in all this. Didn’t a rumor appear a while back that he might take a run at the big comfy chesterfield in lieberal land.
Did anyone here watch the dipper debate tonite? Me neither!!!
I tried, but the writting was on the wall from the onset,
we hate Harper, we progressives across the country have to get rid of Harper.
So click….
I doubt it was anything other than a love fest. Dippers have been of one mind, for as long as I can remember.
environutz-unions-social program creation
Kinsella on Byline, said everything in the NCC attack ad is factually true.
Frank Graves poll…… don’t believe it.
Mark Carney a Liberal?
I’ve been looking into this Mark Carney Liberal thing, and from what I can tell there is no factual or reliable basis to believe he’s running for leadership, or even a Liberal. It looks like Lawrence Martin just randomly threw it out there one day and now others have started to run with it.
Maybe that comes from a recent poll that included Harper, Carney and Obama… been looking for it, can’t find it.
The Martin article that Taber and most others are linking was from November.
If Megan gets her way and all oil production in AB is shut down, what will all those unemployed citizens of her province do. Has she any idea of how many easterners work up in the oilsands, make big bucks to send home to support their families. And has she ever been up there to see what the land looks like before the development. It is not a pleasant sight.
Megan Leslie only supports the oil industry in the Maritimes. She is proud of the jobs she has killed in the west and warned she will not stop until the NDP have killed the gateway pipeline also.
How can un-employed Canadians, severely unemployed Americans not be outraged over the idiocy of this American hopey-changey guy?
I watched ‘Jungle Book’ with my 2 youngest grand-kids today and the slimey eyed swirling brain washing snake made me think of this President. I cannot even fathom what enters the mind of this current President other than, “Im to stupid and I need out”.
Unbelievable!
Dippers have gone full tilt to an anti-oilsands position.
Their ‘build refineries’ position is nuts.
Who is going to put up 10′s of Billions to build it, taxpayers?
Would Dippers ‘force’ private industry to build a refinery?
A Lib or Dipper govt would regulate a ‘tarsands’ refinery into bankruptcy.
And Dippers want to shut down the ‘tarsands’, so why would we need a refinery if Alberta is not allowed to mine enough bitumen to keep it running?
Can you imagine the ghg’s spewed out by a mega-refinery!
How does that position ‘reduce’ Canada’s contribution to climate change?
It’s really amusing to observe the contrast among the media hacks in how they seek out and report on the third party interim leader and the Official Opposition interim leader.
If Rae is really true to his word he should be of no more interest than Turmel. Neither have any real power to change anything, they’re just filling a bench temporarily.
Do NOT get sucked in to this spin! This is a PUSH POLL by the media and political interests spinning for Rae. Nothing more. As seasoned and savvy political folks we should see this exactly for what it is……an attempt to inflate a continuing deflated and failing LPOC. Remember that as we head in to Thursday and the continued illusion that the Liberal Party of Canada has somehow changed or reinvented itself. It has NOT…it hasn’t even begun and does NOT deserve the ink, or the time wasted on discussion.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1117868–poll-liberal-support-climbing-with-bob-rae
And yet you’ve posted the link.
Yes I did Joanne. It’s another example to add to the link you posted yesterday re: poll favouring Rae, which too is just pushing a poll as if the info. and the masses were suddenly pulling the federal Liberals out of oblivion….which they’re not.
I thought, as you must have, to save folks the trouble of worrying about a possible Cream Soda Liberal Wave (like the Orange Crush) I’d post with today’s headline designed to suck those not savvy to political spin in. That’s not anyone here right?
Kinsella will be worried, the Star is always so accurate.
this is a joke right Liz J.?
I mean about the Star being accurate. Kinsella’s not worried he’s pissed and I’d be too if I were a Liberal watching what’s going to be another of their big mistakes.
POP! Tongue out of cheek!
yes, I got it and responded but my post must be stuck in the filter.
It’s all unearned media attention for the twit media types who are responsible for floating both Dion and Iggy’s boats when Gilligan and the Skipper had long sunk the S.S. LPOC.
The LPOC is as divided and grounded as ever…if not more so. The old guard helping Rae are still in charge. Too bad the pothead young Liberals can’t see through the red haze.
What this unearned attention also does is take attention off of the positive work of the PM and his gov’t.
What is really irksome is the positive spin on the THIRD party Liberals and even the NDP with no proper coverage of the Prime Minister and his MP’s active across the country. They’re frantically engaged in digging for gotchas instead of reporting the facts which they just can’t handle because they’re too positive.
IMO to be constantly running down the PM or ignoring him they’re running down the country in the eyes of the world.
Being against the pipeline is another one the media party are all wetting themselves with. Joe Oliver’s fantastic letter spelled it all out so well, that really bit their assess because it was factual and set them off on another tangent. What can we expect when they still love Hopey-Changey Obama who doesn’t know what he’s doing and to hell with Canada’s economy.
Meanwhile, Canada’s Offficial Opposition wants to shut down Canada’s economic driver , kill the Alberta economy, and the media focus on Obama and Bob Rae.
Alberta is (until 2014) receiving 38% LESS per person than EVERY other province or territory, in federal healthcare transfers .
As a result of that, and the massive annual Billions in payments into equalization, Alberta is in a deficit.
Can we please quit penalizing Albertans.
Can this ‘energy-envy’ or what ever it is the ‘progressives’ have against the West,
please stop.
Sammy 9:52 PM:
“Interesting..that Megan represents a riding in the Maritimes..and that majority of workers in the ‘patch’ are from there”
Leslie represents the same Halifax riding as former leader Alexa McDonough, maybe not many of her constituents are employed in Alberta oil fields, at least none that she is concerned about.
What is puzzling about the environmental activist movement here and in the US, is the cavalier attitude towards tradesman, maual, unionized jobs. Leslie as much as admitted yesterday that shutting down a particular pipeline was not her goal, the NDP wants to shut down oil sands production completely. She is the environmental critic for her party.
The modern NDP when speaking of jobs and unions, seem to be talking mainly of public sector, government supported positions, not the more traditional blue collar jobs which traditionally supported the party.
In the US there must be a great many unionized Democrats dismayed by Obama’s cancellation of a major works project in these desparate times.
Sorry Martin..I didn’t neccesarily mean Megan’s riding,meant the Maritimes in general.
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IMO, the greenies’ position is becoming even more muddled and hard to believe. Some environmentalists, including Megan Leslie, other anti-Keystoners and even Elizabeth May according to a discussion on talk radio this morning, have said that the Alberta bitumen should be refined in Alberta, rather than exporting it to Texas to be refined. Well, if their argument is that the oilsands emit harmful GHGs, wouldn’t GHGs be emitted regardless of where the bitumen is refined? And if they actually want to protect Canada’s pristine nature, wouldn’t adding refineries produce more GHGs here in Canada?
In other words, Leslie and her like-minded allies want to appear as being pro-economy, pro-jobs but also as the concerned eco-warriors in charge of “saving the planet”.
Their arguments = Total BS.
It would be helpful if the media, who let them rag on and on, were to educate themselves on the subject and ask pertinent questions of these environmental zealots instead of playing politics.
SNN and the National Post plus some journalists are doing a great job of holding them to task. Those others who let them rag on are getting very little in terms of audiences or readership these days.
If you’re listening and watching the leftist media you’re not getting the other side…which is out there.
Expecting consistency in a position from Leslie and her ilk is futile. Yesterday I heard her say that oilsand development should be put on hold while other “green Energy” initiatives should be encouraged. Fine, except which green initiatives has she in mind as the alternative to fossil fuels? Wind and solar applications can generate small, erratic amounts of electricity at highly subsidized, costly expenditure. But we are not talking of electricity here, we are talking of the substance that fuels out entire economy and lifestyle.
She specifically mentioned wind as somehow being an alternative to oil, this is ridiculous, something the moderator (Solomon) might have picked up on.
“… something the moderator (Solomon) might have picked up on.”
I doubt Solomon would pick up on something like that, because he seems to agree completely with the environment zealots, as LizJ aptly calls them. The mere fact he would go back to moviestar has-been Daryl Hannah to get her reaction to Obama’s decision yesterday yet continually interrupting Minister Oliver while the latter tried to answer his questions proves he’s not as “fair” as he often claims he wishes to be.
O/T – if we needed any more proof of how Dalton McGuinty is pandering to the urban centres and crapping on rural Ontario here’s some more:
http://www.thespec.com/opinion/editorial/article/657023–wind-project-could-fill-hamilton-s-sails