Buyers remorse?

Back in early October the Ottawa Citizen urged readers to Hold your nose and vote Liberal; stating “We’ll take the devil we know“.

Now that same editorial board seems a bit jaded about all the Green Energy hype in the face of staggering overall job losses as recently reported by Statscan (H/T Maz2)

Ah if only we could return our politicians when they don’t measure up.

At least we can still cancel newspaper subscriptions.

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How about this one from the Waterloo Region Record?

Fri Sep 30 2011 – Editorial: Liberals offer voters best hope.

Today: Liberals bungle new power plant

If Liberals are our best hope we are so screwed.


And this was a bit of a shock: Ontario Marks Its Third Year as a Have-Not Province – CFP. Three years?? And the Media Party still endorsed McGuinty?

And then there was the Sun – Which took the most cowardly path with ‘None-of-the -above’.

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85 Responses to Buyers remorse?

  1. maz2 says:

    Red-Green’s Law of Unintended Consequences.

    H/T Red-Green Liberal socialist McGuinty.

    Down with Red-Green.

    This is the leftist Democrats of O’FAIL: “Then Oregon’s senators got involved.”


    “Wind Farms Disrupting Radar, Scientists Say

    This one’s really off the radar.

    Wind farms, along with solar power and other alternative energy sources, are supposed to produce the energy of tomorrow. Evidence indicates that their countless whirring fan blades produce something else: “blank spots” that distort radar readings.

    Now government agencies that depend on radar — such as the Department of Defense and the National Weather Service — are spending millions in a scramble to preserve their detection capabilities. A four-star Air Force general recently spelled out the problem to Dave Beloite, the director of the Department of Defense’s Energy Siting Clearinghouse.

    “Look there’s a radar here — one of our network of Homeland surveillance radars — and [if you build this wind farm] you essentially are going to put my eyes out in the Northwestern corner of the United States,” Beloite related during a web conference in April.

    Spinning wind turbines make it hard to detect incoming planes. To avoid that problem, military officials have blocked wind farm construction near their radars — and in some cases later allowed them after politicians protested.

    Shepherd’s Flat, a wind farm under construction in Oregon, was initially held up by a government notice that the farm would “seriously impair the ability of the (DoD) to detect, monitor and safely conduct air operations.”

    Then Oregon’s senators got involved.

    “The Department of Defense’s earlier decision threatened to drop a bomb on job creation in Central Oregon,” democratic Senator Ron Wyden noted in a press release.”

  2. Liz J says:

    McGuinty the scammer? Say it ain’t so.

    Didn’t he carp on about all the job losses that would happen if Hudak canceled the turbines or interfered in way way with his green energy plan, er, fiasco?

    • Joanne says:

      Yeah exactly. McGuinty’s very good at smoke and mirrors. Sadly most of the Media Party seems to fall for it.

      • Rob C says:

        It wasn’t just the media party that fell for it. As I posted before ,after 2 terms of lies one would think THE PEOPLE of Ontario would learn

        • Joanne says:

          Ah yes, but the people are too b-u-s-y to pay attention.

        • Bec says:

          Rob C,

          SHE is starting to sound alot like McGuinty and I am extremely spooked. So my choice? Aggressively working in a volunteer capacity for my WRA candidate.
          That’s what WE need to do because when I hear ‘full time kindergarten’ and the rest of her $$$$$ ideas….umm…. No way!

          When I was a young Mother we paid a fee for kindergarten plus had to commit to a volunteer in the classroom schedule. If they are going to turn this into FREE daycare at taxpayers expense, I am outraged and will do everything I can to stop another gravy train, socialist idea.

          • Rob C says:

            I do belive the WRA is a positive for Alberta.

          • Anise says:


            I had hoped that at my age I could just keep up my WR membership and cast my ballot but that bl00dy woman has to go so I guess I shall be in the trenches, too.

  3. Martin says:

    Whatever Citizen writers say now, they were massively for McGuinty a few weeks ago. That includes support for him, for his 2 cabinet ministers, for the Liberal mayor and for the whole Green Energy Act.
    They have always supported this folly and remain the sole paper in Ont. to support industrial wind development within the city boundaries. They support wind turbines in the rural city, but not of course the urban city.

    • Liz J says:

      So true, the Citizen is now trying to suck up for obvious reasons, to salvage readership. After we start paying McGuinty taxes and outrageous energy/hydro bills we won’t be forking out money for printed Liberal rags like the Ottawa Citizen et al.

      They wanted McGuinty and his gang back in for one reason, they’re Liberals, now they’ll get critical, attempting to make themselves look smart.

      • Joanne says:

        I agree. A good way to help counterbalance those outrageous hydro bills is to cut out all unnecessary spending; like anything to do with lamestream media.

  4. J says:

    IMO, the ball is in the media’s court. They promoted Dalton in every way possible.

    Alta unemployement rate is down to about 5.1%. Sask, NFLD and even BC unemployment is down as well…. apparently, no mention of this piece of news was heard on SNN.
    Dalton’s so call green fiasco is the problem.

  5. J says:

    Forgot to add the rest of the letters to J. Sorry about that.

  6. maz2 says:

    CBC/MSM will ignore this from NYT? You betcha.

    Here’s the admission of guilt/remorse from the Red-Green Evil Empire: “Utilities have asked homeowners to help store excess energy to protect the grid.”

    This is outright fraud.

    Use of the word “energy” is a Red-Green euphemism for electricity. A pox on Red-Green.

    Red-Green is dying. Resist Red-Green. Say No!


    “Taming Unruly Wind Power”

    “For decades, electric companies have swung into emergency mode when demand soars on blistering hot days, appealing to households to use less power. But with the rise of wind energy, utilities in the Pacific Northwest are sometimes dealing with the opposite: moments when there is too much electricity for the grid to soak up.

    So in a novel pilot project, they have recruited consumers to draw in excess electricity when that happens, storing it in a basement water heater or a space heater outfitted by the utility. The effort is rooted in some brushes with danger.

    In June 2010, for example, a violent storm in the Northwest caused a simultaneous surge in wind power and in traditional hydropower, creating an oversupply that threatened to overwhelm the grid and cause a blackout.

    As a result, the Bonneville Power Administration, the wholesale supplier to a broad swath of the region, turned this year to a strategy common to regions with hot summers: adjusting volunteers’ home appliances by remote control to balance supply and demand.”

  7. Joe says:

    I drove down a major thoroughfare in Edmonton this morning and within a block there were three street side signs all saying ‘now hiring’! One was even offering training and the opportunity to win a new car if you signed up.

    • Joanne says:

      Wait til your Premier Mom has a go at it for a while.

      • Joe says:

        About the only thing Alison has done is exercise her woman’s prerogative and changed her mind on every issue she has faced. Well except for that thingy about the $107 million Special Ed couldn’t find.

  8. Hunter says:

    Premier Mom is already a disaster. Can’t wait for the election, her goose is simmering in the pot now. She has done nothing but give the teachers 100 million while failing to support the oil sands.

    • Joanne says:

      We can’t have Alberta following Ontario’s sad record. Who would support us?

      • Liz J says:

        Maybe a little stint at all provinces flying on their own would make provincial politicians and voters more responsible. Look at Quebec, a resource rich province, yet in perennial have-not status.

        Where’s the incentive to act responsibly and stop the game playing when the more resourceful provinces are forced though equalization to bail them out?

      • Jen says:

        ‘Who would support us?’

        They have billions of dollars that came from not only Alberta but other provinces so I guess a ‘little’ hand out from them (quebec) wouldn’t hurt…now wouldn’t it Joanne?

  9. Martin says:

    I agree with the story referenced in Update.
    Construction still continues at the Mississauga gas fired plant that was promised to be “relocated” by McGuinty during the campaign. What is difficult to understand about “halt construction”?

    Either the promise was a bare faced Liberal lie, or construction will be halted sometime down the line after millions of extra dollars are spent on redundant construction.
    What Miss. voters may not have realized, is that gas fired plants are absolutely essential as back-up to wind turbine instalations in rural Ont. These gas plants must be built in urban areas.
    As I posted at the time, Miss. voters had better get something in writing from Dalton McGuinty. his promises are not really worth banking on.
    Relocation is an absurdity, even for McGuinty to state; I predict the plant will go ahead, part of Ont’s duty to “save the environment”.
    Should have thought of that before voting.

    • Rob C says:

      Getting something in writing means absolutely nothing to the lying POS. It would not be worth the paper it is written on.

  10. cantuc says:

    Kind of a strange situation , isn’t it ? We send BILLIONS from Alberta to Quebec , Ontario and whoever else comes up short and pay for things there that we don’t want the government to pay for here . If we’re going to pay for day care in Quebec , why not pay for it in Alberta first . The more we spend here the less we have to pass on . Sending money east to prop up corrupt , incompetant politcians like McGuinty and Charest really freaking irritates the living bejeeses out of me . We’re going to be paying for mafia built bridges in Montreal when the #3 highway in southern Alberta is a death trap in the winter . I can’t see Redford doing much more than Stelmach did . Spend billions to pay CUPE for getting elected. I guess though , when you come down to it , while I’m glad I’m where I am , for another year or two , Saskatchewan is looking better all the time .

  11. Liz J says:

    Newsprint rags who supported his Greenness aside, I’m betting all who invested in solar and wind “energy” projects voted for him as well. To all of them we must ask: How’s it working out for ya? Energy bills going down? Hooked up to the grid, money flowing in?

    Where’s Dalton, any sightings, seen him on TV lately?

    • Joanne says:

      Where’s Dalton, any sightings, seen him on TV lately?

      No, thankfully.

      • Jen says:

        The msm who looked the other way when it came to Dalton’s high price energy cost among other things, are the very people Dalton rely on for cover up. That is why imo, Dalton is rarely seen..the others are doing it for it.

  12. Bubba Brown says:

    I see retreat Rae is out here on the left coast, trying to breathe some life into the corpse that is the Liberal party, good luck with that Bob.
    He says that Canadians need a choice between the Occupy folks and the Tea Party.?
    Weird or what?
    Wasn’t Bob Rae and Davy ozone trying to jump in front of that parade?
    Sadly a young woman has lost her life to an overdose in Vancouver at the Occupy site.
    Time for Mayor moonbeam to go to work and clean up the campers this is looking more and more like a third world refugee camp all the time.

    • Joanne says:

      I’m just waiting for them to set up an Insite facility for the Occupiers.

      • Liz J says:

        Wonder if this Occupy movement is attracting more druggies, slaggers and slugs taking advantage of the opportunity to camp in public parks? Many of them don’t seem to know what they’re protesting.

        It’s about time they got them cleared out, surely we have laws against encampment that prevents the tax paying working people from using the public parks they pay for. This is Canada but looking at these tents and sleazy looking stinkers one would think we were in a third world country deprived of water and sanitation.

      • wilson says:

        Lauren Gill, who is running as an independent candidate in the election and is also an organizer at the camp, said the woman’s death highlights the need for more addiction services.

        “I think it’s an issue that’s all over our city and this is why we need Insite,” she said of the supervised injection site where people take their own drugs under medical supervision.

        Read more:

      • Jen says:

        Surrounded by a wall Joanne.
        As one of the campers pointed it out to Lilley, ‘they are a community. Imagine that, a community in a public park.

  13. Paul says:

    Sorry JoAnn,
    Card carrying Conservative here that made no effort to support Mr. Hudak.
    I don’t hold my nose to vote for anyone. “Progressive” Conservatives that do not offer serious tax savings and institutional reform will not get my support.
    This from someone that finds McGuinty totally distasteful and dishonest.

    • Joanne says:

      Just fixed the time-stamp in case there was any confusion.

      I hear your frustration Paul. So how did you end up voting if you don’t mind sharing that info?

  14. Richco says:

    Just so we’re clear on the influence of media on the Ontario election. It would seem that the only place they were effective is in the urban centres because in rural and northern Ontario the media did NOT play ball with Dalton. Neither McGuinty NOR the Liberal media fooled anyone in small town Ontario. To assume that the urban media speaks for us is incorrect because the results of the election show that it sure as heck doesn’t.

    Also, with all of this backtracking of urban media particularly on the energy issue where ARE the opposition critics?? They could be hammering this home with the same urban media, couldn’t they? Were are the opposition critics in columns like this one

    My MPP Lisa Thompson is the PC’s energy critic. I will not be a happy voter if the PCs don’t move aggressively on McGuinty on this whole issue. Once again….the crickets so far a chirping. (and yes I recognize that there’s orientation and swearing in and all of that)….media and opportunities exist now for the PCs to start handing McGuinty his ass on a platter.

  15. Richco says:

    Oh and nice of Dalton McGuinty to call the legislature back on Nov. 21st isn’t it? Three weeks later they rise for Christmas break then back mid-end January.

  16. Richco says:

    ooops sorry – I bet that the last McGuinty led government was the shortest sitting on record?

  17. wilson says:

    Ontario has shale gas deposits. (same in Quebec)
    Natural gas is clean, the cleanest of all conventional energy sources.
    And natural gas is cheap.
    Jobs, high paying long term jobs are sitting meters under ground.
    Replace Ontario coal with Ontario natural gas.

    Why the PCs did not go on a ‘drill baby drill’ campaign really really makes one shake her head.

    At least a campaign to buy very cheap Western Canadian natural gas instead of oil from countries supporting terrorists would be a half solution.
    Was Hudak afraid of Kinsella and his counter attacks about Ontario’s Tea Party.
    Sad to think that.

    • wilson says:

      BC, the left coast, drills and drills and drills their natural gas deposits,
      and is richer for it.
      Of course to the oil and gas industry BC stands for Bring Cash,
      and the Koreans/Chineses etc are happy to do that,
      their cheque books are open.

    • Joanne says:

      It was a very frustrating campaign.

    • Liz J says:

      The Ontario PC’s were too PC= Politically Correct and simply damned stupid.

      They had an arsenal against McGuinty anyone with a game plan could have taken on and hammered him to the ground yelling for mercy.

      • Richco says:

        yes Liz and they had lots of time to catch the Liberals on many issues but this one by far.

        That said we here got the result we wanted with the PCs winning by a large margin, however, just how that’s going to help us is still not clear. If it doesn’t help us to have a PC elected and standing as energy critic, we’ll know it first here. So far since the PC win locally the PCs have been PDQ (Pretty Darn Quiet). Actually, just last week was the first our local paper had anything about our newly elected MPP since the election one month ago. Our town did get a call from Hudak and Horwath re: the tornado in the days after….but not much local or regional anything where the PCs are concerned yet.

        • lad says:

          Rich, Lisa Thompson is actually Deputy Energy Critic (Green Energy Act). The Energy Critic is Vic Fedeli. MPPs are getting their offices opened and meeting with different groups in their constituencies. Many of the MPPs were only sworn-in last week, so we have to give them a bit of time to get up to speed.

  18. Calgary Junkie says:

    The next Alberta election is going to be educational, in more ways than one. We junkies will get to watch how Danielle puts together everything she has absorbed so far, especially from the old Reformers.

    But I can see already that “education” is going to be very hard for her to finesse during the campaign. This Calgary Herald editorial … “Benefits of full-day kindergarten too many to ignore” … came as a surprise to me. Our deficit ( easily trumps whatever “benefits” there are in this expansion of the education dept.

    What we don’t need is more entitlements, paid by the one taxpayer, delivered by more civil servants. And, on Rutherford’s show, the best Danielle could say about Redford’s promise to give teachers an extra $100 million, was that the money should have come out of other departments.

    So I dunno, it looks like teachers here have way too much political clout, just like in Ontario. Even Ralph Klein, when he had a strong mandate from the voters, backed off from his promise to let teachers opt out of forced union membership in the Alberta Teachers Association.

    Anyway, Calgary’s mayoral election was a proxy war between the Red Tories (who backed Barb Higgins) and the Blue Tories (who backed Ric McIver), resulting in Dipper in disguise Nenshi winning. The provincial election will be a continuation of that battle. My MP Rob Anders is already firmly on the Wildrose side. I just hope that Nenshi, with his purple kool-aid drinking backers, stays on the sidelines. The guy is a dangerous wild card, and could, unfortunately, swing the result to Redford.

  19. jad says:

    Out here on the sunny Left Coast, we have our own Premier Mom, elected courtesy of the Liberal-friendly media. Now for those whoo don’t understand BC politics, while the party may be called the BC Liberal Party, Gordon Campbell was no more a Liberal than I am. Christie Clark , however is another creature entirely, with close ties both personally and through her husband and brother to the federal Liberals. She also seems to think she was elected Premier of the Lower Mainland, and the rest of the province doesn’t exist, which is likely why Van Isle is pretty solidly NDP.

    The BC Conservative party is IMO a bunch of idealogues, and way too far right to have much success in this province. The next election will be in the spring of 2013, as Clark is double-digits behind the NDP. Sadly, I am coming to the conclusion that the only way to get rid of her is to put the NDP in power for 4 years.

  20. Joanne says:

    FYI PM Harper on Global right now. Tom Clark’s new show debuting today.

    • Liz J says:

      Tom Clark’s new show? Do we really need another Liberal hosting a political show?

      Wonder who will be his first “guest”? M-H Findlay, Mark Holland,
      Gerrard Kennedy or some other defeated Liberal who need a few gigs to pay off their debt to EC?

      • Joanne says:

        I recorded West Block and watched CTV QP which was awful. Just awful. I mean worse than usual!

        • Richco says:

          I wonder why SNN hasn’t countered that time slot with its own type of Sunday Political show? Man, you really have to quit that whole CTV thing Joanne:-).

          What was West Block like in comparison?

          • Joanne says:

            I’m guessing SNN doesn’t have the capital to do more than do reruns all weekend. Too bad.

            Yeah, CTV isn’t much better than CBC. I keep hoping that will change but I may as well face reality.

            Answer to your last question just below. 😉

        • Liz J says:

          That’s what we can expect as long as their Liberals are out of power, they’re beside themselves, nowhere to go but down, there’s no one on the horizon who can pick them up either, including in the media party, everyone is onto them.

          I expect Tommy will start off gently and regress to full blown attack on the Conservative government.

          Fill us in Joanne and thanks.

          • Joanne says:

            Sorry I didn’t reply to this sooner Liz & Richco. Yesterday was crazy-busy and today promises to be the same.

            Anyway, West Block was very impressive!!

            Watch for yourselves here and let me know what you think. I thought Tom Clark’s interview with the PM was top-notch.

  21. cantuc says:

    So what’s it going to take to get rid of McGuinty ? Do the papers really have that much influence there ? If so , Jim Travers kickin off should have resulted in 10 more conservatives getting elected . Maybe an eight month winter of – 40 ?

  22. Martin says:–hard-to-stop-mississauga-gas-plant-liberals-admit

    From the Red Star, no less, comes this update of the Mississauga gas plant fiasco. Even they admit the Liberals do not look very managerial on this file. Some comments suggest simply converting it to an Industrial wind turbine development. Residents could have no objections to that, since they are perfectly safe at a 500 m set back distance, right? It would be satisfying to at least see someone from the media put this question to McGuinty, or minister Bentley.

    • Joanne says:

      Sometimes I wonder what it will take for voters to finally wake up and realize that Liberal campaign promises aren’t made to be kept.

      They do whatever it takes to get elected and rely on the lemmings to believe them.

  23. maz2 says:

    Confirmed: socialism = Quagmire = FAIL.

    Of Ontario’s Liberal socialist McGuinty’s red-green FAIL + the German connection FAIL.

    No way for McGuinty to go away? Will his own party send him off? Watch for it.


    “Outlook turns cloudy for solar energy firms”

    “Three years ago, with much fanfare, Canadian upstart Arise Technologies Corp. APV-T opened the doors of a brand-new solar cell manufacturing plant in Bischofswerda, Germany. With financial support from the German government, the operation was to be a key foothold for the Canadian company, giving it access to the lucrative European solar energy market.

    Solar power companies are feeling the pinch from overcapacity, intense competition and doubts about government subsidies. – Solar panels on a rooftop. Solar power companies are feeling the pinch from overcapacity, intense competition and doubts about government subsidies.

    Three years ago, with much fanfare, Canadian upstart Arise Technologies Corp. APV-T opened the doors of a brand-new solar cell manufacturing plant in Bischofswerda, Germany. With financial support from the German government, the operation was to be a key foothold for the Canadian company, giving it access to the lucrative European solar energy market.

    Last month, Arise shut down the facility, unable to get sufficient financing to expand and upgrade in order to make high-efficiency cells. Arise’s German arm is now in insolvency proceedings, which could see its assets sold or disposed of.

    Arise, like other Canadian companies that staked their future on manufacturing solar panels and cells, has fallen victim to falling prices that have resulted from overcapacity, intense competition, and weak markets. While the worldwide market for solar products has grown by an average of 30 per cent a year over the past two decades, the industry is now in a slump.

    Manufacturers rushed to build capacity following a boom year in 2010. That pushed down solar cell and panel prices, which only fell further when the world economy staggered. The cost of a solar panel is now about 40-per-cent less than a year ago.

    The glut of solar panels on the market is hurting everyone in the business, said Deloitte Canada analyst Duncan Stewart. “Too much supply, and the fact that some markets are cutting subsidies, means that this is a tough business no matter where you make the cells,” Mr. Stewart said. “It is now high-stakes poker; you need to be able to keep raising [money] in order to stay in the game.”

    In Canada, the situation has been exacerbated by confusion in Ontario, where the provincial government has provided significant subsidies for solar installations, but bureaucratic issues in connecting them to the power grid have stalled growth. The recent provincial election campaign, during which the opposition Conservatives vowed to kill off key parts of green-friendly legislation, also tempered development of the solar industry.

    The downturn goes far beyond Canada.”


    “Europe’s debt crisis ‘will last a decade’: Merkel warns that we’re in it for the long haul”

    “German Chancellor warns 500million population will suffer for years to come
    Gloomy outlook follows failure of G20 summit to bail out bankrupt Greece
    Economic forecasters predict Britain’s economy could be set back six years”

    “Europe faces being crippled by debt until 2021, with devastating consequences for its population of 500million people, including those in Britain, Angela Merkel warned yesterday.

    The German Chancellor’s gloomy forecast of ten years of economic misery followed the failure at the G20 summit in Cannes to agree how to bail out bankrupt Greece.

    ‘This debt crisis will not simply go away,’ Mrs Merkel said. ‘It will certainly be a decade before we are in a better position.’”

  24. Liz J says:

    Sounds like Dalton’s Green Energy is turning bilious green, er bill-ious for more than a few green keeners out to make big bucks with a little help from unwitting suckers who grabbed onto the pie-in-the-sky scheme.

  25. maz2 says:

    G-M update: headline now reads …

    >>> “Solar power boom hits a wall” >>>|

    More: >>>| “Even Canadian Solar Inc., CSIQ-Q a huge global maker of solar cells and modules with headquarters in Kitchener, Ont., and most of its manufacturing in China, has had to trim back plans for its new Canadian solar panel plant in Guelph. Canadian Solar stock is now well below $4, less than one-quarter of the value of a year ago, and a tenth of its peak level hit in 2008. ”

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  27. maz2 says:

    Red-Green Daily Mirror.

    This is Liberal socialist McGuinty’s mirror image.


    “Obama’s Solyndra fiasco”

    “President Obama’s latest failed stimulus story has expanded significantly, as White House documents are now being subpoenaed by Congress over the $535 million taxpayer-funded loan given to now-bankrupt and FBI-raided Solyndra.

    The Solyndra loan was a disgusting and unethical smokescreen designed to propagandize the American public into thinking Obama was serious about job creation. The degree of crony capitalism behind the loan has not been sufficiently explored by the mainstream media.

    The cronyism started in the months prior to the approval of the Solyndra loan by the Department of Energy in March of 2009, when billionaire and Obama bundler, George Kaiser, held numerous meetings with the White House about the pending loan.”

  28. maz2 says:

    Mao Stlong* Lepolt.

    Mao Strong*, c/o Red China, has been knee-capped at long last.

    Left-Guardian/MSM spins the body blow to Red-Green AGW.

    “In the early 1970s, U.N. Secretary General U Thant tapped Strong to organize and direct the Stockholm Conference on the Human Environment.

    The conference came to be known as the first Earth Summit.”


    “Rio Earth Summit postponed after clash with Queen’s diamond jubilee”

    “Rio+20 dates rearranged to avoid jeopardising the attendance of 54 Commonwealth leaders, including David Cameron”

    “Brazil has postponed the biggest environmental summit in 20 years to avoid a clash with the Queen’s diamond jubilee.

    The Rio+20 summit was scheduled for 4-6 June but has been moved to 20-22 June to avoid jeopardising the attendance of 54 Commonwealth leaders, including David Cameron. But Cameron, who said last month that he would not attend, is still not planning to attend, Downing Street said on Monday, despite his pledge to lead the “greenest government ever”.

    Instead, the environment secretary, Caroline Spelman, will be leading the negotiations, a Downing Street spokesman said.

    Though Brazil has not officially confirmed the date change, president Dilma Rousseff indicated at the G20 meeting in Cannes on Friday that the summit would be postponed. The Guardian understands European governments are already working to the new dates.”

    *Liberal leader Bob Rae’s uncle Mo, c/o Red China.

  29. Jen says:

    o/t, Hey guys, listen to this tape of Mark Sutcliffe show yesterday parlicularly to a caller at the 22:41 mark. Man, she laid it thick.

  30. Jen says:

    Funny, I know I put up the website to CPAC re-Mark Sutcliffe’s yesterday’s show. what happened Joanne, I don’t see it there yet was up a few minutes ago.

    • Joanne says:

      Sorry Jen. A couple of your comments were stuck in the filter. I just got back from golfing. Yes golfing in November! I am frozen.

      • Jen says:

        Thank you Joanne. I was beginning to wonder if it was the cpac website you filter didn’t like but now I know.
        So golfing eh. Must be the atmosphere around you (ontario) is getting rather heated for you to warrant an explosion to the cold air. Feel better now?

        • Joanne says:

          Heh-heh. Well it’s always nice to have one last kick at the can before the snow sets in but it didn’t end up as warm as promised.

          Must check out your link.

          • Joanne says:

            lol!! I just fast-forwarded to that caller and she was awesome!! What a great rant! We need more Canadians talking out like that.

  31. Jen says:

    Just in case it is lost somewhere I decided to reprint CPAC website re- Mark Sutcliffe yesterday’s show. one caller at 22:41 was fascinating to hear.

  32. maz2 says:

    Extra! Extra! Special joint edition.

    Mao Stlong* Lepolt/PET* Cemetery Report.

    >>> “The corporate sugar daddy has gone, the government sugar daddy is gone,’ Bob Rae told a Liberal town hall meeting on Saturday.”

    Q: Who cut off Rae*’s fingers?


    “China credit squeeze spurs suicides, violence”

    “Hours after a creditor and his gang of tattooed thugs hustled Zhong Maojin into a coffee shop in Wenzhou, he says he wouldn’t yield to their demands.

    They wanted to take over one of the pharmacies in a chain he’d built by borrowing from private lenders. Instead, he made an offer of traditional retribution in this eastern Chinese city, known for loan sharks who have sometimes meted out violence to bad debtors.

    “If you like, you can cut off one of my fingers instead,” Zhong, 42, says he told them.

    Giving up the store would have made it impossible to pay back another 130 creditors, Zhong said. He’d borrowed 30-million yuan (US$4.7-million) at interest rates as high as 7% a month to expand the business. Many of the lenders were elderly neighbors who’d mortgaged their homes.

    At least 90 bosses in similar situations to Zhong have fled the city since April, and two killed themselves, according to Zhou Dewen, head of a small business association in Wenzhou. One was shoemaker Shen Kuizheng, who jumped to his death from his 22nd-story home on Sept. 21, he said.

    Wenzhou’s 400,000 businesses are facing financial hardship because of rising costs, soaring black market interest rates and a sudden credit squeeze, Zhou said. Similar problems are happening across China because private enterprises in China rely on underground borrowing rather than banks to operate, he said.”

    *Liberal leader Basement Bob Rae is a nephew of Maurice Strong, c/o Red China.

  33. ed says:

    Jen says:
    November 7, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    “o/t, Hey guys, listen to this tape of Mark Sutcliffe show yesterday parlicularly to a caller at the 22:41 mark. Man, she laid it thick. ”

    Jen, I’m not able to see the time marker on the video. Which lady were you referring to?

    • Joanne says:

      It was a woman from Toronto I believe, ranting about Quebec and how she’s sick & tired of everyone trying to appease Quebec.

      I’ll go back & try to get the name but don’t you see a timeline on the bottom that you can drag to where you want to stop, Ed?

    • Jen says:

      Ed, drag the curser to 22:41 mark to hear the lady from ontario fustration.

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