Coalition optics and legitimacy

John Ivision and I appear to be on the same wavelength here – Minority time is up:

It is majority government or bust for the Conservatives in the coming election. The more the leaders of the Liberal party, the NDP and the Bloc Québécois talk, the more it becomes apparent that they are prepared to form a coalition of losers, in the event the House of Commons returns in something approximating its current form…

[Inserted link is mine and just for the record, my blog post was published early yesterday morning.]

The whole column is a must-read.

While the notion of a coalition is not an illegitimate one in our Parliamentary system, there are a few issues that need to be clarified. Ivison brings up the “Coalition of Losers” aspect here:

…Mr. Ignatieff, wary of walking into this potential minefield, refused to rule out a coalition, instead wittering on about the election being a choice between walking through blue doors or red doors.

But the Liberal leader knows his chances of becoming Prime Minister without the NDP’s help are slim to none.

In the past, he has defended coalitions as “perfectly legitimate” and said he’d be prepared to lead one after the next election. Clearly, in his mind it would not be a coup if his party came second and tossed the largest party from government.

While Mr. Ignatieff is right that to do so would be legitimate from a constitutional point of view, Canadians are used to governments being formed by the party that wins the election.

A similar situation in the U.K.-last year, where the second place Labour Party and third-place Liberal Democrats held discussions about trying to form a government, was met with apprehension by voters

So if the next election produced a weak Liberal minority and the NDP formally agreed to support it, I would call that a legitimate coalition – even if we had to tolerate Thomas Mulcair and Bully Pat Martin sitting in cabinet.

However in the case of a Conservative minority, one wonders if voters would have a similar apprehension that the British had to a Liberal-NDP loser coalition – especially if it required the written support of the Bloc to keep it going.

I suspect that optics of that kind of situation would not sit well with voters anywhere west of Quebec – and especially in light of the Bloc’s insatiable appetite for “squeezing more milk out of the old ROC cow,” since their only mandate is to look out for La Belle Province.

That one’s going to be a tough sell.

 

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Update

Lorne Gunter: Libs, NDP will get burned unless they’re honest about coalitionFull Comment (H/T Springer)

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216 Responses to Coalition optics and legitimacy

  1. Richco says:

    Here’s another good column. I wondered whether Ignatieff was thinking he was playing his version of Let’s Make a Deal when he started with the Red Door/Blue Door schtick.
    I actually think that that’s going to be a bonus for some great Oppo. visuals in the campaign.

    http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/mark_bonokoski/2011/03/23/17732051.html

  2. fh says:

    I have heard people who should know better state Ignatieff will grow into the job of Prime Minister of Canada
    Give your head a shake Ignatieff is not a politician and he is not a Leader
    Canada needs strong Leadership Prime Minister Harper has PROVEN that he is the right leader for Canada
    We must work hard to make sure he is returned with a majority
    We do not want the Quebec Party telling the ROC when to jump and how high
    everyone roll up your sleeves this is an important election
    fh

  3. billg says:

    Remember 14 months ago when most of us couldnt figure out why the Liberals would ever think of a coalition and how it would effect them? Well, its affecting them now and, the question of ethics that they wanted an election run on is now dead. How is it I could figure that out and Ive never been involved in a campaign in my life and they couldnt? So here’s my opinion. Iggy will NOT answer the coalition question, and, if another Conservative minority is elected he becomes PM after the opposition defeats the govt first chance they get, if the Cons get a majority he gets to leave politics which if he cant be PM he doesnt want to stay anyways. For Iggy its win win, but for the rest of Canada it means a Western Separation movement, but, we know how the LPC feels about Western Canada so it shouldnt surprise anyone.

    • Joanne says:

      but for the rest of Canada it means a Western Separation movement, but, we know how the LPC feels about Western Canada so it shouldnt surprise anyone.

      I agree that a Coalition of losers would cause a lot of instability in the country – and in the economy.

  4. Richco says:

    re: Iggy’s new version of Let’s Make a Deal is perhaps more aptly Let’s Make a “Coalition” Deal.

    billg – I think you’re right. The whole ethics bit is dying quickly and being replaced by an anger about the next sneaky coalition deal and the PM and his war room being able to turn that ethics mantra around and take aim at the Iggy’s Coalition.

  5. Michael Harkov says:

    We know what Duceppe will do – he will do whatever it takes to destabilize Quebec’s place in Canada in order to point out to Quebec that “it just ain’t working”. The backlash against a coalition propped up by separatists would be a perfect foil for that, so of course Duceppe wants a coalition.

    With a twinkle in in eye, Layton is playing coy about the prospects of a coalition. But we all know a coalition is the closest thing to power he and the NDP will ever get, so of course he will be all for it.

    As for Ignatieff, he signed up the last time out. And so he won’t get away with his evasive, gobbledygook answers to the question forever. Sooner or later he is going to have to man up and give a concrete answer as to wether or not he supports the idea of a coalition and live with the consequences of either following through or not. Until then, it will continue to dog him, as it should.

    In principle, I don’t have a problem with the idea of a coalition. It is a legitimate aspect of our parliamentry system. But as a message to all the Opposition supporters out there that happen onto this blog, be upfront and honest about your intentions from the onset. Don’t cower in some back-room planning to take power after you already supported the government’s agenda as outlined in a Throne Speech like what happened the last time. And don’t think the voters will stand by and watch the party with the most seats get shut out of government all together. You saw, as a nation, how we reacted the last time you tried to be sneaky about it. Consider yourselves served.

  6. Richco says:

    CG has a pretty good Election 2011 Primer up
    http://calgarygrit.blogspot.com/

  7. Alberta Girl says:

    “The whole ethics bit is dying quickly and being replaced by an anger about the next sneaky coalition deal and the PM and his war room being able to turn that ethics mantra around and take aim at the Iggy’s Coalition.

    Don’t you think it is a bit rich for the Coalition to be touting “ethics” as their mantra when they plotted behind the scenes to wrest power from the party that won the largest amount of votes (let’s be clear here – the ONE party that wond the largest amount of votes —- just in case we get some coalition supporters touting the “63% didn’t vote Conservative)

    Or how about shoving a woman candidate out of the way so you could be parachuted into the riding.

    Or how about grabbing power of a party after you were democaratically “not” elected.

    Seems to me they shouldn’t be talking about “ethical” behaviour without looking at what is behind those “red” doors.

  8. Liz J says:

    This will be the most important elections we’ve had in memory given what could be at stake if the Conservatives don’t get a Majority. It appears people are already realizing that judging by the polling results which seem to be consistent.

  9. Richco says:

    re: Grit’s Election Primer. Specifically he lists the policies of the Ignatieff Liberals. How many of those policies have exact costs included for Canadians to see? I’m betting that there are none. More hypocrisy that we’ve come to expect from the LPOC.

  10. billg says:

    But Richco…if he wont answer the question then its not sneaky is it? If all Libs dance around the question including the leader then they are basically telling Canadians that they will form one if necessary. Its the perfect strategy for Libs and the NDP. So now, its up to the Conservatives to frame the ballot question, which they have already done. Its the perfect plan and strategy for the coalition partners, and, if successful it will be the start of a merger between the NPD and the Liberals who, when their coaliton is eventually defeated will run as one party. I wasnt hoping for an election but now I am because, Canadians will now get to choose between tax and spend socialists or a Conservative govt, we can either go the route of Greece and the UK or, we can pull our collective behinds out of the sand and get our house in order. Finally, a two party election.

  11. Steve Madely, this morning on CFRA, was talking about a chance of the Libs, NDP and Block forming a coalition government BEFORE any election. It is entirely possible for them to go to the GG immediately after a non-confidence vote and say they have the confidence of the house and form a government. Scary stuff.

    • Joanne says:

      It is entirely possible for them to go to the GG immediately after a non-confidence vote and say they have the confidence of the house and form a government

      They could try it but I doubt the GG would go that route rather than an election.

  12. Dougf says:

    Frankly I detest them all so I consider myself to be ‘fair’ in that regard, but YES, a Coalition Of The Losers WOULD be viewed as an illegitimate subversion of the system, and would lead to even more public disenchantment. It would lead to all sorts of unpleasant ponderings, one of which must surely be the question of percentages.

    How low or great a percentage of the vote would the leading Party have to get or fail to get before a Coalition Of The Losers would be acceptable. For example if Party A, got 40% of the seats, would that be low enough or if it got 46% of the seats would that be too high. Coaltions are fine if advertised BEFORE the vote but after the vote, they should be formed with the Primary Party being involved. There are exceptions to every rule but in general, any other course of action is NOT a legitimate use of the process.

  13. Michael Harkov says:

    Michael Ignatieff talks about a blue door and a red door, but the only door relevant here is the one he will be shown after May 2, 2011.

  14. billg says:

    Erwin: going to the GG now is a pretty big gamble because, if he says no which I’m pretty sure he would then it would be an affirmation that they have been in talks for some time and these last 6 months have been nothing but a show…talk about contempt of parliament.

  15. Calgary Junkie says:

    I posted earlier about the “Victory Phone Bank” being run out of Calgary West, which will target swing voters in targeted opposition-held ridings. Also in the letter I got, were some scary “suggestions” on who might become coalition ministers:

    Jack Layton — Finance
    Linda Duncan — Environment
    Ruby Dhalla — Immigration
    Justin Trudeau — Energy
    Libby Davis — Foreign Affairs
    Bob Rae — National Revenue
    Mark Holland — Natural Resources

    Anyway, it’s going to be fun to watch how our Party plays out the coalition narrative. I was pleasantly surprised to see the ppg pressing Iggy on the coalition question, so we’re off to a pretty good start. His “Blue door/red door” answer obviously won’t settle the issue for some of them.
    Right now Marc Sutcliffe on CFRA is talking coalition for the hour.

  16. Michael Harkov says:

    Two and a half years is too much time passed since the last election to allow someone else to try and get the confidence of the House. The best way will be to have another election and refresh Parliament.

    And find it so amusing hearing Ignatieff whine about the contempt of Parliament when he screamed the loudest about prorogation and yet had the worst attendance record of any MP – and him being the Opposition Leader. Clearly, if the can’t be bothered do his job as the leader of the Official Opposition, why should he expect to be the leader of the country as PM?

  17. Lorraine says:

    Read for yourself and forward to everyone:
    The Lib/NDP with BLOC 2008 Coalition Agreement-Expires June 2011 http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Accord_en.pdf

  18. Sammy says:

    OMG! CBC’s Tremonti talking about how Layton’s health will affect the election..how much info is too much/is it important to know IF he will stick around etc.That braindead Delacourt was on,yapping about PMSH having asthma,and no reporters hounded him about his health issues! Susie..get your head out of Iggy and Layton’s asses..could you even be a bit non-partisan?

  19. Ruth says:

    good comment on the radio just now…since the Bloc won’t swear allegiance then they can’t be a cabinet minister in the government of Canada.

  20. Sammy says:

    Tremonti tells us now,the cbc contacted all parties,to get PRIVATE health info on the leaders..NDP gave brief info,Cons party ‘declined comment’ (and rightfully so)..no response from the Libs. Why the hell does cbc think it has the right to muck around in confidential info? Can you even imagine if the Cons.had asked for this? It would be an outrage!

  21. Robert McClelland says:

    You rubes crack me up. You rant against a coalition that you admit is a legitimate form of government but never once question why Harper steadfastly refuses to even attempt to form a coalition of his own. Ask yourself this. Would you rather have a Liberal-NDP coalition running the country or a Conservative-NDP coalition running the country?

    • Joanne says:

      Ask yourself this. Would you rather have a Liberal-NDP coalition running the country or a Conservative-NDP coalition running the country?

      If there had to be a coalition, I would like to see the winning party have some seats in the Government. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

  22. frmgrl says:

    Lowell Green now talking about the possibility of coalition.

  23. Dirt says:

    Instead of replacing a poor leader the libs opt to spend 300 million of our taxdollars on not a election campaign but “A liberal leadership race” under the guise of an election campaign. Oh well Liberal Media is positively peeing themselves in joy and glee at the thought of a coalition of leftwingers.

  24. Ontario Girl says:

    On their continued quest to dig up dirt on the Govt. to help with the ETHICS BS, it seems the media were busy trying to dig this on up also…Toronto Star at NNW..RE: Carson. I noticed the Ruby Dhalla story has disappeared….Conservative stories…not so much

    Journalists with APTN approached the company to do a story on the poor quality of water on native reserves and spent a week interviewing employees and touring their facilities. Now she believes the veteran Conservative operative was their target all along.

    “We ended up really deceived by the end of the week finding out this was really about Bruce Carson and not about First Nations water and not about our work,” McPherson said.

    Harder still is the McPherson family’s pain having Michele’s past life as a paid escort dragged through the media with pictures broadcast across the country and the satisfied comments of her former customers rehashed in the press.

  25. dillon says:

    We dont just want to win.We want to humiliate this phony Russian pipsqueak. And send him packing without a pension

  26. Alberta Girl says:

    Hey Robert….Do you seriously think that the NDP would even entertain going along with Conservative policies….just look at how Jack DEMANDS that ALL of his needs be met or else….Even when the proposed budget goes AGAINST conservative policy to placate the NDP.

    So how come he demands that Stephen Harper give in and yet refuses to give in himself. What happened to “making parliament work” and “working together”.

    Come on Robert…before you start calling others “rubes” – take a look at just who has been trying to “work together” and who hasn’t.

  27. billg says:

    Its not the Coalition Robert, its the truthfulness of the Coalition. The NPD and the Bloc are honest and up front, the Libs are playing a shell game and you know it. If its worthy and in Canada’s best interest then why dont they just say so….because an admittance of a Coaltion would guarantee a conservative majority. I’d cringe at the thought of the Coaltion running Canada, but, if everyone knew thats what they were voting for and went ahead and voted that way anyways I would respect the outcome.
    Who’s the Rube now?

  28. Springer says:

    Don Martin hosted radio talk show hosts yesterday, including Rutherford. If anyone missed it, enjoy…

    Is there already a pact in place for a coalition? They sure as hell think so!

    • Joanne says:

      Lowell Green just asked a Liberal supporter if he would be o.k. with a coalition government where the winning party didn’t have a single seat in the Cabinet. That’s a good way of putting it.

      But the stupid Liberal said it would be fine.

  29. Calgary Junkie says:

    “…why Harper steadfastly refuses to even attempt to form a coalition of his own.”

    The short answer is that Harper has already created his coalition–called the CPC–out of the former PCs and CA. Harper pretty well owns the whole right hand side of the political spectrum. That, plus a few “John Manley” Liberal voters, gives Harper about a 60 % chance (my estimate) to elect 155+ MPs.

    Plus, if he negotiates with Layton now so as to remain in power (as Paul Martin did in 2005), then Harper will lose a lot of support–especially in donations.

    There are many ways to play the political game. Harper has chosen his way, and is sticking to it. So far he has been quite successful, having stayed in power for over five years. You guys don’t like his style and tactics, but so what.

    Anyway Robert, I know you are an NDP supporter, and I think Jack has a good narrative going re him being open to working with other Parties. This sends a signal to voters on the Red/Orange divide that electing more Dippers will give Jack more influence in the next possible coalition government. It is in both our interests (CPC and NDP) to keep our respective coaltion narratives going, and squeeze Iggy on the left and right.

  30. Lorraine says:

    Of course there is a coaltion pact-I gave the link to the PDF document a few comments back.
    This is an existing agreement which does not expire until June of this year.
    They do not need to prepare any other agreement-they have a valid one now.

  31. Robert McClelland says:

    just look at how Jack DEMANDS that ALL of his needs be met or else

    Yes, 4 whole demands from the NDP versus another year of governance for the Conservatives. What on earth was Layton thinking asking for so much while offering to give so little in return to Harper.

    • Joanne says:

      Robert, we both know that Layton’s demands would be an ever-moving target. His base would have disowned him if he had supported the Conservatives no matter what.

  32. Springer says:

    As usual, Lorrie Goldstein’s latest column rocks!

    Why are Liberals so out of touch on crime

  33. frmgrl says:

    Yes Lorrie always hits them out of the ball park. I hope he’ll be making appearances on Sun News.

  34. Richco says:

    sore loser@10:05am – your argument doesn’t fly, it’s also a day late – see Gabby’s post on yesterday’s thread then get back to us.

    Try and keep up and if we’re moving too fast for you may I suggest a remedial Liberal blog:-)

  35. Liz J says:

    What the opps don’t want to hear is the fact Stephen Harper has broken the record for the longest serving Minority, that says something about his ability to work with the other parties does it not?

    • Joanne says:

      I am actually very calm and happy about the way things are going.

      In particular I will be very pleased to see the end of Milliken as speaker. He was good at the beginning but I fear his appearance of non-partisanship has been compromised lately.

      Let things unfold as they will.

  36. maz2 says:

    Liberal Count Ignatieff’s Belgium solution.

    This is Count Ignatieff’s Exit Plan.

    …-

    “Belgium breaks Iraq’s world record for government impasse”

    “Belgium, split between the Dutch-speaking north and French-speaking south, still doesn’t have a government after June elections last year. The rift may eventually cause a national divorce.”

    “Belgium, home of the European Union and NATO, recently logged a bizarre world record: In February it eclipsed Iraq as the nation longest unable to form a government after elections. And there doesn’t appear to be any end in sight to the more than 270-day standoff that could ultimately lead to a national divorce between Belgium’s two main ethnic groups, the Dutch Flemish and the French Walloons.”

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2011/0321/Belgium-breaks-Iraq-s-world-record-for-government-impasse

    …-

    >>> Beware the anti-semite: “Robert McClelland”.

    “FUCK THE JEWS *
    spraypaint and wrote that message on the side of a building (not owned by Jews … Robert McClelland blahgged this at 10:46 PM
    myblahg.blogspot.com/2004/05/fuck-jews.html”

  37. Richco says:

    “It is in both our interests (CPC and NDP) to keep our respective coaltion narratives going, and squeeze Iggy on the left and right.”

    Terrific point CJ – you’re right. Truly if there really was an NDP/LIB coalition Layton is more deserving of being PM than Ignatieff. He’s been more consistent and has moved his party’s numbers up. His party is also better financed. I mean Iggy’s already stealing his material – because the LPOC is fresh out.

    If it’s a campaign between Harper and a coalition up front the coalition gets one leader, one name, one platform, and one taxpayer subsidy.

    I like that the radio talkshows are yakking up the coalition because they’re helping lay the ground work for that issue….that’s turning out to be the issue of this campaign as we’ve already said.

  38. Springer says:

    Roy Green puts it to Iggy in the NP…

    The central election question is – coalition, yes or no?

    I think it’s just about a gimme that this indeed will become the central theme of this election. Not only is the CPC going to hammer it home, but clearly a bunch of radio talk show hosts…who have massive listening audiences…are going to be relentlessly pounding on it, too!

    And the reality is, even the very notion of a Liberal led coalition in which Dippers hold senior ministerial positions is enough to send great numbers of soft Liberal supporters to the polls to vote Conservative in order to erase that possibility ever happening right from the get-go!

  39. Liz J says:

    A caller to Lowell Green just brought up prorogation. Could PM Harper prorogue to avoid the disaster of a coalition should he not get a Majority to save this country from sure disaster?

    • Joanne says:

      Could PM Harper prorogue to avoid the disaster of a coalition should he not get a Majority to save this country from sure disaster?

      It wouldn’t be a wise move. Let the Coalition of Losers ‘charge headlong into the crater.’ (Ivison)

  40. Springer says:

    Lorne Gunter is all over it now, too…

    Libs, NDP will get burned unless they’re honest about coalition

    My guess is, a considerable number of Lib MPs suddenly are finding themselves getting a sick feeling in the pit of their stomachs this morning, ya think?

    • Joanne says:

      Lorne Gunter is all over it now, too…

      Thanks Springer. Rutherford is talking about the coalition parties needing to be upfront too. That is all we ask.

  41. Martin says:

    A coalition government includes cabinet ministers from 2 or more parties. A true coalition has happened but once since confederation, and that time is open to debate. The 1917 Union government of Robert Borden included some Liberal members, but the Liberal leader did not support the government. Liberals left their party to run in the election and help form the Union government. Canada has had many minority governments, but not coalitions.
    Given results similar to last time, the GG would have little precedent to guide him if Iggy and the NDP attempted a coalition government. He might consider how many times Iggy answered the question during a campaign.
    If Liberals end up with only a handful of western seats, conservative minded members might want to think long and hard if they really wanted to install a PM with so little representation. They would have to consider the longterm implications for their party and the country. They would be aware of the strong opposition to the idea in 2008.
    I’m sure the GG hopes none of this happens, so do I.

  42. frmgrl says:

    Dave Rutherford now talking coalition.

  43. Springer says:

    Listen to Rutherford here….

    He’s raking the Libs and Dippers over the coals big time!

  44. wilson says:

    Liberal MPs constituents have a right to know where their Liberal MP stands on the coalition question.
    Every Lib MP signed the agreement.
    Very happy to see this battle is being taken to the grassroots, where it belongs.

    If PMSH does not get a majority,
    these Liberal MPs have to stand up in the House and give Iffy a nod of confidence in him as PM, Jack and crew a nod for cabinet seats, and the Bloc a nod as the ultimate decision maker on what legislation will be passed in Parliament.

    If

  45. Springer says:

    This talk of coalition, if it persists…and it will, bet on it…is the Libs worst nightmare come true!

    Voters even somewhat partial to the NDP will feel free to park their vote there, thinking they’re going to be part of the next government in any event.

    Meanwhile, a considerable portion of soft Liberal support who get the shivers at even the mention of Dippers on the government side of Ottawa, will shift their moderate/centrist support to the CPC in order to block.

    And then there’s the specter of all this being propped up by separatists!

    This is a formula for a perfect storm that will decimate Liberal support!

    Again, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts a lot of Lib insiders are having serious second thoughts this morning.

    • Joanne says:

      This issue raised by Rutherford is very interesting. How can the Liberals campaign on honesty and integrity if they won’t even be open and transparent about their intentions regarding a coalition?

  46. wilson says:

    Iffy caving to Bloc demands for a Quebec arena was a HUGE gift to PMSH.
    Thanks Donolo!

  47. skipper says:

    PM Harper and ancestors:
    The Yorkshire Immigration of 1772-1775 brought over 1000 settlers from Yorkshire, England, to Nova Scotia, most settling in the Chignecto region, the area that today spans the inter-provincial boundary between NB and NS. One of those emigrants from Yorkshire was Christopher Harper, a tenant farmer from the village of Sledmere, 25 miles north of the port city of Hull. Like most of the Yorkshire immigrants to Nova Scotia his rents had been substantially raised by his landlord and he wished to “seek a better livelihood”. So on March 7, 1774, Christopher embarked from the port of Hull on the 110-ton Brigantine Two Friends together with 102 fellow passengers bound for Nova Scotia.
    More impressive tha ‘you know who’!

  48. skipper says:

    April Fools joke:everyone write to G&M under name Don Burroughs!!

  49. Mary T says:

    A coalition must include the party that elects the most MPs, anything else is a coup and an attempt to overthrow the government. And refusing to admit they will form a coalition they are planning a coup.
    A comment somewhere today did a twist on the 3 little pigs, and the big bad wolf.
    The pigs are threatening to blow down the wolf’s house.
    Game over and Canada won, in the Worlds and will now be in a tie breaker or the playoffs.
    Susan D comparing asthma to cancer and hip surgery as health issues is really below the belt.
    Switched to cpac to hear Mulcair on the budget debate.
    Now he is refusing to answer the question re a coalition. He says the ndp read the budget before making a decision. Guess he thinks we don’t know the truth.
    Now he has said the best would be to elect Rebecca on May 2nd. Has the govt been defeated, if so why the debate. He also says he has signs up in his riding.

  50. Richco says:

    quick answer Joanne is that they can’t. Best of all is that we have all of Iggy’s non-answers on tape and in print.

    WK has a very good post up today re: how strong the CPC have become in urban ethnic ridings.

    Iggy’s toast!, no, I mean waffle and a burnt one at that.

  51. mikey says:

    “I actually think that that’s going to be a bonus for some great Oppo. visuals in the campaign.”

    How about a visual with Iggy happily dreaming of a red door with Iggy and Jack on the inside AND of a blue door with Iggy, Jack and Gilles inside.

  52. Richco says:

    really nice that Rutherford remembered the two fallen fire fighters who lost their lives in Listowel last week. That funeral is today and many from my town are there in rememberance and support.

    Note that the new budget remembered volunteer fire fighters too. I hope it sees the light of day.

  53. Liz J says:

    Wonder if Ralphie Goodale’s constituents are flooding his office with the Coalition question?

  54. mikey says:

    “Let the fools take the Harper Government down.”

    Too clever by half. They’d have been wiser to allow a budget vote. This contempt thing precisely sends the message to the voters that they will not accept a Tory minority mandate from the electorate.

    • Joanne says:

      This contempt thing precisely sends the message to the voters that they will not accept a Tory minority mandate from the electorate.

      That’s true Mikey. So the options are clear.

  55. bettie says:

    Does anyone know if there is a good Conservative running in Scott Brison’s riding? Any chance of Scott being defeated? I hope so. I can’t stand him!!

  56. Bubba Brown says:

    An old Yiddish proverb “if you throw a stone into a pack of dogs, the one you hit will howl”
    The trolls have come to pontificate and talk “dirty” re coalitions.
    Asking “Why” PM Harper won’t form one with the NDP?
    Actually PM Harper has reached across party lines “cooperating” asking for support on a case to case basis.
    Not a coalition agreement, simply cooperation. That is the way to make Parliament work.
    He has done that for 5 years, longest running minority in Canadian History.
    PM Harper has very broad shoulder’s, he has carried the nonperforming Liberal leader who seldom shows up, and put up with a very petty bunch of socialists.
    It would have been easy to cave and give Jack Layton every item on his list, PM Harper knows that would have put Canada, Canadians in Peril.
    It speaks to his integrity that he did not do that.
    When a Socialist whether he fancies himself a Liberal, NDP’er or Bloc speaks of Democracy,tolerance, free speech, with his hand held over his heart.
    He is not talking about yours truly, he is speaking about himself (herself) .
    We the tax paying public only exists to pay taxes so the Socialists can give our money away?
    It apparently enrages the Coalition that NGO’s, that interfere in other countrys politics, lobby to kill Canadian industry are defunded.

    Actually help themselves to your tax dollars is the bitter reality.
    Witness the outrage over defunding , the attack on Minister Oda.
    And this pompous ass stands surrounded by his “posse” and blotivates about Democracy?
    As for the “red door, blue door” analogy notice there is no “orange door” he has already thrown the Dippers under the bus.
    There is a forth door it is the one we, the voters will kick his skinny elitist ass through.
    If this pack of wanna be leaders approach the G.G. with a petition to form the government Canada’s streets, squares are going to look like Egypt. JMO

  57. MadMacs of Bytown says:

    CFRA hosts Lowell Green, Rob Snow and John Counsell do their regular Thursday Lunch Bunch 12:30 noon eastern at http://www.cfra.com

  58. wilson says:

    It will be impossible for all 77 Liberal MPs to speak as one re: coalition of losers, at the riding level.

    Is this where the LPC breaks apart?
    There is no chance of uniting the left until the the Blue Libs walk thru the Blue door.

  59. Ontario Girl says:

    Excellent debate on the budget right now with Shelly Glover who just blasted Paul Szabo all to h-ll. One spirited factual Conservative female in action on CPAC

  60. Jen says:

    Québec
    Updated March 19, 2011
    Jump directly further down on the page you’re now reading:
    HOME PAGE-http://www.canadiansocialresearch.net/qce.htm

    * Key Welfare Links in QC ===> scroll down to the grey box below, right column
    * Latest QC Budget (scroll down just below this box for 2011-2012 budget links)
    * Poverty reduction in QC
    * Non-governmental sites in QC
    http://www.canadiansocialresearch.net/qce.htm

    Quebec 2010-2011 Budget : Choices for the Future
    Update on Federal Transfers – 2009-2010 Budget (PDF – 563K, 24 pages)
    http://www.canadiansocialresearch.net/qce.htm#budget

  61. Richco says:

    mikey – I like how you think. I’ve been thinking about possible visuals too. In mine the backdrop is much like the set of the old Let’s Make a Deal show with an innocent voter as the audience contestant dressed up in as a big question mark. Host of the show is Bill Shatner.

    Behind Blue Door No. 1 is the PM and the CPC – busy people working, playing, and enjoying all that Canada has to offer thanks to his accomplishments.A trip to a Stanley Cup game with Stephen Harper, a beer and a free kitten going to its forever home.

    Behind Red Door No. 2 – let your imagination run wild.

  62. Ontario Girl says:

    Author: bettie
    Comment:
    Does anyone know if there is a good Conservative running in Scott Brison’s riding? Any chance of Scott being defeated? I hope so. I can’t stand him!!

    Ditto…he really grates on ones nerves.

  63. Jen says:

    The disastrous Legacy of Pierre Elliott Trudeau
    David Frum, National Post · Mar. 24, 2011 | Last Updated: Mar. 24, 2011 4:04 AM ET

    Three subsequent important prime ministers -Brian Mulroney, Jean Chrétien and Stephen Harper -invested their energies cleaning up the wreckage left by Pierre Trudeau. The work has taken almost 30 years. Finally and at long last,…….

    http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/disastrous+Legacy+Pierre+Elliott+Trudeau/4493902/story.html

  64. Martin says:

    Mart T:
    “A coalition must include the party that elects the most MPs, anything else is a coup and an attempt to overthrow the government”.
    Interestingly, WLM King in the 1925 election won 101 seats to Meighen’s 116 and still refused to resign as PM. He held on for a few months with Progressives support, but all cabinet members were Liberals. Since that time, no PM has had the gall to try to continue when an opponent won more seats. Louis St Laurent was urged by some Liberals not to resign in 1957, but he did the honourable thing and did resign.
    Technically it is not necessary for the leading party to be excluded from government, 1but it surely goes against the idea of fair play. Most fair-minded Canadians do not want a replay of the King-Byng affair.
    In the coming campaign expect to hear much blather from anti-Conservatives about the normality and legitimacyof coalitions.

  65. Hornblower says:

    I’ve been wondering why the left coalition have not united under one party,
    And I believe that it is to their advantage when a writ is dropped as each
    Party can spend the $18 million spending limit, and the Lib/NDP coalition can
    Outspend the Conservatives by a 2 to 1 advantage.
    Then after the vote, come together and form government. SNEKY

  66. Jen says:

    The disastrous Legacy of Pierre Elliott Trudeau
    David Frum, National Post · Mar. 24, 2011 | Last Updated: Mar. 24, 2011 4:04 AM ET

    ‘Indifference may be too polite a word. Pierre Trudeau opted not to serve in the Second World War, although of age and in good health. He travelled to Josef Stalin’s Soviet Union to participate in regime-sponsored propaganda activities. He wrote in praise of Mao’s murderous regime in China. Trudeau lavishly admired Fidel Castro, Julius Nyere, and other Third World dictators. The Soviet dissident Andrei Amalrik scathingly recalled Trudeau’s 1971 prime ministerial visit: Trudeau visited the Siberian city of Norilsk and lamented that Canada had never succeeded in building so large a city so far north -unaware, or unconcerned, that Norilsk had been built by slave labour.

    It’s telling I think that Trudeau came to the edge of endorsing the communist coup against Solidarity in Poland in December 1981. Hours after the coup, Pierre Trudeau said: “If martial law is a way to avoid civil war and Soviet intervention, then I cannot say it is all bad.” He added: “Hopefully, the military regime will be able to keep Solidarity from excessive demands.”

    http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/disastrous+Legacy+Pierre+Elliott+Trudeau/4493902/story.html

    Read the whole story

  67. Springer says:

    Wow! Lowell Green and Rob Snow are carving up Iggy like an overcooked turkey!

  68. Richco says:

    ok – there’s snippets of discussion that I’ve picked up this morning that “something big is going to happen tonight” with respect to the three ring circus (coalition) taking centre stage in Ottawa. No clues as to what that might be but WK eludes to it also….and it doesn’t sound good for the Liberals.

  69. Ruth says:

    ditto from me too bettie. Plus we need someone good running in Pat Martin and Mulcair’s riding….any Party will do.

  70. dolly says:

    The opposition parties seem to think that the populace are not able to reason out the purpose of this coming election. Any thinking person knows that the Libs cannot even form a minority government at this moment and the NDP is even less able. So, why an election. It’s easy – to toss out the Conservatives and bring in a coalition government with veto powers to the Bloq. It is the only way they can think of to get rid of this government, and put themselves in power. This has nothing at all to do with Canadians or this country.

    With the massive egos of Iggy and Layton- there will be one hell of a fight as to who will be PM. If this ever happens it will be there one and only kick at the can. Canadians will never allow this to happen again. The last Lib government lasted 13 years, the next Conservative government could be there indefinitly or until this generation expires.

    Sent an e-mail to my MP – who is NDP and told them as much. Also sent a generous cheque to the CPC – bet they get a lot of $$$ this next week. I have no idea who is running in my area for the Conservatives, they can run a poodle and I’d vote for the little mutt.

  71. Jen says:

    Always remember what Ignatieff said when the PM Stephen Harper asked not only ignatieff but the opposition as to join with him to find solutions to help canada through the ‘global recession’ basically what the PM wanted from all three parties is to put their ‘political differences aside to worked together for the betterment of this country.
    But Ignatieff told reporters “I have no intentions of wearing Harper’s recession deficit on my shoulders.”
    In other words, ” screw it’ ‘ your problems resolving CANADA’S problems is NOT OUR PROBLEM.’

    So what makes us so sure that the coalition will put canada first before theirs when they couldn’t demonstrate it while we were in a recession. In fact if canada was to go through another recession- things will go high(taxes)

  72. Calgary Junkie says:

    Meanwhile, Nik Nanos has a poll out today with us up 39 to 27. Listen to Nik here on CFRA.

    Agree with Springer, listen to CFRA live, lots of good coalition talk.

    This is a great start to the campaign ! Time to pivot off of pounding Iggy on tv ads (we don’t want to generate sympathy for the “poor picked on” guy), and start our coalition narratives.

  73. Liz J says:

    It’s fitting Iggy should be talking about doors, he has a door knob specialist in his caucus and more than a few other knobs like Trudeau and Bennett, Fry, Rodriguez….the list goes on.

  74. Soccermom says:

    Liz @ 12:50

    that IS the comment of the day, LOLOL!!! Good one! :)

  75. Mary T says:

    McCallum just got blasted re the 13 yrs of majority govt and they didn’t do those great things, but did cut budgets to the Provinces. He responded with, we are not talking about the past, we are talking about this budget.
    Ever notice how members of the coalition are always meeting a man, woman, dog, homeless person from their riding and are so concerned about What happened to my Canada…
    Message to iggy, quit using words like -folks- and other words you think rural canadians use. They sound so phony coming from your mouth. And Layton has lost all credibility with his working family, kitchen table talk, after we learn of the millions he and his wife have collected for expenses etc.
    Re David Fraums article. A lot of us knew about Trudeau, and his communist ties, and riding around in a german helmut, but, the cbc refused to allow those facts to get out. Notice a lot of those cbcers who went gaga over him, are still there, going gaga over a coalition. Lots of talk re Carson and his very young galpal. What was the age difference between Pet and Maggie.
    I hope the PM appoints a new senator asap to replace the convicted liberal senator.

  76. wilson says:

    Roy Green:
    “One more time Mr. Ignatieff, will you consider any voter rejection of the Liberal Party sufficient cause to regurgitate the battle cry “Viva la Coalition”?”

    ha

  77. Bubba Brown says:

    Just over at Dr Roys visiting gave me a chuckle, he pointed out that when Iffy spoke of doors he spoke of the Blue door first .
    http://torydrroy.blogspot.com/2011/03/coalition.html
    Actually when you mix red and orange, which did not make it into the analogy interestingly enough.
    Well you get anywhere from Chinese Red to Carnelian.
    Sounds like you are being absorbed by a stronger colour Jack.
    I guess those Cabinet seats come at a cost eh?
    Just like a couple of smarmy little biker gangs, bury your “coulors” and put on ours.

  78. mikey says:

    “Technically it is not necessary for the leading party to be excluded from government, but it surely goes against the idea of fair play. Most fair-minded Canadians do not want a replay of the King-Byng affair. In the coming campaign expect to hear much blather from anti-Conservatives about the normality and legitimacy of coalitions”

    Great. The more they mention Cameron-Clegg , the more they’ll be asked to condemn Brown-Clegg. Which they will never do because they’ve talked themselves into believing nothing is worse than a Conversative gov’t. The more they blather the more voters will realize that the only way to keep the coalition out is to deny them 50%.

  79. Sandy says:

    I have put up a post that is an “I spy” type of game. What do you think would be behind a “Red Door” vs a “Blue Door?”

    http://cruxofthematterinfo.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/i-spy-with-my-little-eye-behind-ignatieffs-red-door/

    I have had major problems with that post. About a half hour after publishing it, I was doing a simple update to correct a type and suddently the whole text disappeared. Kaput! That has NEVER happened before so I am suspicious.

    Anyway, I was copy the first paragraph from the BT aggregator and rewrote what I could remember of the rest.

    It’s a fun game but it is exactly what the Canadian people need to think about. Open the Red Door and what might you find? Millions upon millions of dollars wasted or misused during the Sponsorship Scandal? A coalition agreement that includes the Bloc?

    Similarly, open the Blue Door and what might you find? A huge list of accomplishments and a PM we can be proud of?

    Exactly!

  80. maz2 says:

    Liberal Count Ignatieff’s O’Harvard buddy: update.

    Is O colour blind?

    In which, Count Floyd, er Count “Ignatieff takes us behind ‘red door *.

    Big BirdIggy say: Our Colour for Today is Red* Blue* Doors.

    H/T PET Cemetery: Come On Down. See our Red Doors.

    …-

    “Shut out! President Obama locked out of the White House after staff weren’t told he was returning home”

    “It can even happen to the world’s most powerful man.

    President Barack Obama had a humbling experience on Wednesday when he somehow found himself locked out of the White House.

    He had to yank at a set of doors, then walked past another before finally gaining access to the Oval Office.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369584/President-Obama-locked-White-House.html

    …-

    “Ignatieff takes us behind ‘red door *”

    In Ignatieff’s beta version of this tried-and-true audience winner, the Blue Door will be perilous for Canadians to open, filled with Conservative evil and ill-will …”

    http://www.calgarysun.com/comment/columnists/2011/03/24/17733946.html

  81. Ruth says:

    I just left a comment over at Paulsstuff. I sick of hearing about the cost of the planes. Our men and women deserve the best and I’d much rather see the money going there than to some stupid National childcare or eldercare program that would end up costing a lot more. Once we had a “care” program set up and running, it would be very hard to ever put an end to it. I think the Provinces provide enough of these social programs already.

  82. Ontario Girl says:

    Sandy comment
    About a half hour after publishing it, I was doing a simple update to correct a type and suddently the whole text disappeared. Kaput! That has NEVER happened before so I am suspicious.

    I went to your site just now and there is no place to leave a comment…now the botom of your site after the 2 comments is gone.???

  83. Sandy says:

    Thanks Ontario Girl. That is even more suspicious. Anyway, I had to manually add the pingback and comments features again. So, hopefully everything will be okay now.

    We have to keep on top of all this. The reason I am suspicious is because any other blogger who has a WordPress.com blog and visits my site is already signed in. So, it’s possible someone could sabotage what I am doing.

    I’m giving some thought to going to the same server where Joanne is. How are things going in that regard Jo. Any problems with the recent switch of hosts?

    One thing is for sure, I will copy each and every post as I do regularly with the list of accomplishments. Can you imagine losing them? Not!!!!! I think Jo I will put them on your header bar just for security reasons — if there really is an election.

    Okay?

  84. Sandy says:

    Jo — When I said “them” I was referring to the list of accomplishments, not all my posts. LOL

  85. jon evan says:

    With the strong Bloc command of Quebec seats, really can any party obtain a maj. of seats? Surely that was why even PMSH mused that min. gov’ts might now be the norm in Canada. Is this the new paradigm? And so, maj. or bust makes no sense factually!

    Now, every party enters a campaign wanting a maj. mandate. That should be obvious and so it then follows that no party needs or wants to talk about coalition until after the election. They don’t need to because it should also be obvious from precedents from countries all over the world that it is completely democratic to form coalitions if necessary after an election which produces a minor. situation. Hence “a coalition if necessary but not necessarily a coalition”.

    So indeed for PMSH it is maj. or bust. But is maj. even possible given the Bloc? So, what does bust mean? If PMSH gets another minority it means he has failed to achieve a confidence of the lower House with the election. Therefore, the GG is obligated to entertain the option: is there any other leader who can obtain a confidence? This is when the politics occurs and any coalition surely can be entertained even one with Bloc support because that is still democratic even if we don’t like it!

    This election is a win for MI (I believe) because coalitions may be the new norm for Canada! A change of the paradigm? A frightening thought for me because I like PMSH :).

  86. Bubba Brown says:

    A little O.T.
    Last year when a lot of local groups lost their funding. Well a local Charitable Foundation stepped in, the giving of funding was remembered as a joyous occasion.
    Over this past year they have discovered that “a few” of these groups have used the money for “other purposes” such as paying someone or that they simply “pocketed the money”
    So the Foundation is now going to be giving scholarships and bursaries to deserving students. The article is in the Oceansidestar.com. it is under the heading of
    “A few Bad Apples”.
    This Foundation was privately financed by a very generous man.
    They were overwhelmed by groups looking for funds.
    They at least were able to see what happens when you finance groups that have agendas, that are not always very transparent.
    I just remember a year ago how critical all these groups were about the evil Conservatives, taking away their entitlements.
    Sure looks like it was the right thing to do eh?

  87. Ontario Girl says:

    Sandy

    Now I can’t connect to the blogging tories site at all…but I can connect to NNW?????

  88. Fay says:

    I can no longer connect to Blogging Tories.?????

  89. Mary T says:

    Olivia Chow just made a very misleading stmt in the HofC, stating she has talked to a senior lady, who worked as a nurse all her life, who can’t pay her hydro bill and can’t live on the OAS and GIS. So, why isn’t she getting the CPP and her nurses pension. Did she forget to tell Olivia. The GIS is based on your total income, and if she is just getting a small amt, she has other income she is not telling us about.
    Glad to see my MP correct the liberals re where the tax deduction for volunteer firemen come from, his private members bill from 2002.
    Great feeling telling young clients they are getting a larger refund than expected, and said it was because of changes the govt had over the last couple of years.
    And they are asking about the election and will vote this time for PMSH.
    Gong show going on in QP.
    Still no answer to how Mulcair could tell voters to vote for Rebecca B on May 2nd.

  90. Peter B says:

    Jane Taber doesn’t realize what a joke she is as a political pundit when she writes what a wonderful endorsement Ignatieff received when he got a “standing ovation” – yea from a bunch of Liberals ( I suspect Taber was included)
    However the true state of affairs with Ignatieff and Liberals is demonstrated further in her article when it is leaked out that Bob Rae felt compelled ( not her words but the fact is he did) to step up and pleaded and
    ” urged everyone to support Mr. Ignatieff, noting there will be ups and downs during the five-week slog. Celebrate the ups, he said, rather than worry about when or if he falters.”

  91. ed says:

    The myth about the cost of the tough on crime program. Actually, the cost is low, very low!! And the study doesn’t take into account the substantial savings by bringing in this new Conservative program!! Another “back in your face shot” back at the phony Liberals and the rest of the opposition parties.

    Tuesday, March 22, 2011
    Costs of Crime Prevention

    “Madely in the Morning – 8:10am — Steve Madely is joined by Carleton Professor Ian lee. Despite claims that the cost to lock up criminals under the government’s get tough on crime program is skyrocketing, his report shows the cost is very low.”

    http://www.cfra.com/chum_audio/Ian_Lee_Mar22.mp3

  92. Jen says:

    Springer says:
    March 24, 2011 at 10:53 am
    As usual, Lorrie Goldstein’s latest column rocks!

    Why are Liberals so out of touch on crime

    Springer, without reading Goldstein’s article the headline alone deserves an answer from me that is
    Why are the liberals so out of touch on crime?
    Let me count- the liberals stole money, they allow criminals to vote, you have Robert Fife going into the prisons to double check to see ‘how many of the prisoners will be voting liberals, you have seen the way the liberals come to the criminals’ rescue rather than rescuing victims from the criminals, how about Omar Khadr. the list goes on and on.

  93. Ontario Girl says:
  94. frmgrl says:

    You gotta check Stephen Taylor’s
    “Coalition agreement with Ignatieff’s signature disappears from Liberal.ca”

  95. ed says:

    Monday, March 21, 2011
    Afternoon Edition – Op-ed

    Rob Snow, another great broadcaster at CFRA, gives an excellent commentary about our deficit as compared to other countries. Clearly points out how well we’re doing!!

    “If it’s the economy stupid, who’s stupid?”

    http://www.cfra.com/chum_audio/Ae.Op.Ed.11.03.21.mp3

  96. SomeGuyinOttawa says:

    Anyone think there are 10 liberal members who might want to consider a new political affiliation?

    Maybe 10 members fed up with Iggy?
    Maybe 10 who have had enough of the nonsense that has been going on within their party?
    Maybe 10 who are against the idea of a coalition?

    Maybe just wishful thinking but could there be 10 center-leaning liberal members that would embrace the Conservative positions? Far fetched yes but it is certainly one option to put an end to the current shenanigans.

  97. Losers don’t get to form coalitions.

    The UK was not the smallest parties uniting against the Conservatives.

    Ignatieff and his Liberals can’t have it both ways.

    Either he runs on the coalition before we cast our ballot with one platform with Jack or he doesn’t.

    The Quebec separatist party is D.O.A. and if they require the votes from them they know it will not be legitimate.

    This is not a gray area. The separatists are interested in destroying Canada. (Full stop)

  98. Fay says:

    Ontario Girl… there is nothing Fair or Balanced over at the Winnipeg Free Press. NDP MP Pat Martin is their Hero. The Winnipeg Free Press will do all that is in their power to manipulate the message in favour of the coalition.

  99. Martin says:

    Someguy:
    That is a very good question. If the coming election gives results very similar to the present standings, and Iggy with the NDP move another non-confidence motion, sober thinking Liberals would really have to think hard about this. Such motions are the one time when backbenchers have real power. No one can force them how to vote. Given the country has just been through an expensive campaign solving nothing, 10 or so Liberals might just consider the well being of Canada and the longterm wellfare of their party, and say we are not going to jump off the cliff with Rae, Layton, Iggy and the rest. Last time this was tried they did get 100% of the party to sign on, Iggy famously being the last one, but after that furor, calmer heads may not wish to repeat the experience. At some point reasonable Liberals would have to conclude that the electorate just do not favour their program.

  100. Valencia says:

    A bit O/T but maybe important to differentiate between conservative and liberal way of thinking…..
    First Things Magazine has an interesting article titled “Living with Inequality” which shows the very real differences between liberal and conservative way of thinking. Great commentary on the differences between inequality and inequity too. The author proposes a thought experiment:

    “Imagine tomorrow we could begin the world over from scratch. Imagine further that we would begin with equal economic resources in a system of open and fair competition where the differences among competitors would have to do with their own effort and ability. What do you expect would be the result?”

    Liberal: a world closer to an egalitarian ideal
    Conservative: a world with a greater range of inequality that has characterized the American (and maybe Canadian??) experience.

    If the economy was a pie, Liberals would want to slice the pie into even pieces ( an cower into submission anyone who doesn’t want to, my edits) while Conservatives would want to bake a bigger pie so even the least well off, along with everyone else would improve their situation.
    I wonder if this would help people realize that at heart, many if not most Canadians are conservative???

  101. Fay says:

    On the day that Stockewell Day delivers his farewell speech after years of working for Canadians… Bourque newswatch hits a new low with a mocking picture of Stockwell Day on the Sea DOO. Bourque joins the likes of pat Martin and deserves only contempt of his fellow Canadians.

  102. Barbara says:

    Red door, blue door, orange door, whatever the colour, I just want it to hit Iggy’s smarmy arrogant a$$ on his way out. This “ordinary” Canadian could never accept you as PM in any kind of coalition. You and the rest of the garbage Liberals and Socialist scum NDPers make me physically sick. Don’t even try to speak of Democracy. You did not get to be leader of your own party through any democratic process. You lie about your family and then complain when it’s used against you. You must really think “ordinary” Canadians are stupid. Go back to Harvaaaard and corrupt some more people who have more money than brains. Thank you.

  103. jad says:

    so if we get this wonderful Lib/NDP coalition, I guess we will also get all the spending both parties are promising, (caregivers money, chidcare spaces, home heating, pension, seniors, etc.) not to mention the $5 billion the Bloc want for Quebec. So far, I think that’s up around $15 billion, or way more than the corporate tax cuts.

    And perhaps if MI had bothered to read the budget, he would know that there is nothing in it for corporate tax cuts, F-35s or prisons.

  104. Joanne says:

    Just got back from an appointment and trying to catch up here.

  105. Springer says:

    How do you create economic uncertainty?

    Threaten corporate Canada with a tax increase.

    And do it just when they’re investing heavily in Canadian business and manufacturing.

    Brilliant, Iggy! Just bloody well brilliant!

    You ignorant jerk!

  106. goodie says:

    I just watch Stockwell Day and Chuck Strahl say goodbye, it bought tears to my eyes.These are honorable men who in my opinion cared more about the good of the country than about their own blind ambition. I think that is rare to find in the House today.I hope there are more honorable men out there to fill there places.

  107. Barbara says:

    I agree that Day and Strahl were two of the good ones. Really despicable how Liberals used Day’s religion against him. So, when Iggy says the personal attacks (regarding his family) are unprecedented in the history of Canadian politics, he must have forgotten the attack on Day’s religion. What a tool.

  108. Ontario Girl says:

    Author: Springer
    Comment:
    Game changer in Quebec?

    This is very interesting. What will the BLOCK do now???

  109. Joanne says:

    …This is a great start to the campaign ! Time to pivot off of pounding Iggy on tv ads (we don’t want to generate sympathy for the “poor picked on” guy), and start our coalition narratives.

    Good point CJ!

  110. maz2 says:

    Neo-AGW Progress Report:

    In which we open a Red-Green door.

    H/T Liberal Count Ignatieff’s Liberal Citoyen Kyoto Dionky.

    A barffday present for moonbat Canadian AGW warmista Suzuki.

    Kudos to Canadian Steve McIntyre.

    …-

    “Steve McIntyre uncovers another trick – where are the academic cops?

    Just when you think the bottom of the Hockey Stick rabbit hole has been reached, Steve Mc finds yet more evidence of misconduct by the Team.

    The research was from Briffa and Osborn (1999) published in Science magazine and purported to show the consistency of the reconstruction of past climate using tree rings with other reconstructions including the Mann Hockey Stick. But the trick was exposed in the Climategate dossier, which also included code segments and datasets.

    In the next picture, Steve shows what Briffa and Osborn did – not only did they truncate their reconstruction to hide a steep decline in the late 20th Century but also a substantial early segment from 1402-1550.”

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/24/steve-mcintyre-uncovers-another-trick/#comments

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi

  111. Ruth says:

    I think Mary T is our resident accountant. I’ve been trying to tell someone over at Paulsstuff blog that Iggy’s eldercare program is too expensive, as is the national childcare. They always seem to think that the amount for the jets is a one-year payment instead of over 30 years. We will hear a lot of false numbers once the Liberals get going around the country. I really hope the coalition never gets to implement either of these programs.

  112. Rich says:

    Hey Robert maybe you should get your trusty Webster’s dictionary and look up the definition of Coalition> Coalition is a merger of two or three different parties with expressed attempt to take over a government; selected members of the two or three parties would have a seat at the cabinet table and therefore making policy for the country.
    In a minority government, the government(s) may work with either one or all opposition parties on particular issues as has happened since 2006. The Conservatives have worked with the Liberals, NDP and Bloc at various times to get their budget and Bills through Parliament; 6 budgets passed. This is making Parliament work, so please do not listen to the party spin and for get the slurs: pay attention to facts by listening to prominent people in the business community, investment managers etc.

    • Joanne says:

      Coalition is a merger of two or three different parties with expressed attempt to take over a government; selected members of the two or three parties would have a seat at the cabinet table and therefore making policy for the country.

      Very good Rich. Thanks for that.

  113. Springer says:

    Just caught a blurb of Goodale frothing and spitting in QP. Today he stated, regarding the hidden cost of corporate tax cuts, jets and prisons, a figure of $70 billion. Yesterday it was $60 billion. I’m figuring by Saturday or Sunday the Libs will have that number cranked up to at least $100 billion, and God only knows what sort of hysterically bizarre figure it will be hyped up to by May 2.

    Forget that they clearly are pulling those numbers out of their collective asses…not to mention that the usual suspects in the MSM obviously have absolutely no intention whatsoever of challenging the Libs on any of these figures.

    …and not that any of these items have thing one to do with this budget anyway.

  114. maggie says:

    Also, sorry for sounding pedantic,but shouldn’t the coalition be referred to as Lib/Bloc/NDP, not just Lib/NDP?
    After all, it is the inclusion of the Bloc seats which puts the coalition within the numbers to attempt to form government.

    • Joanne says:

      Also, sorry for sounding pedantic,but shouldn’t the coalition be referred to as Lib/Bloc/NDP, not just Lib/NDP?

      Maggie – Yes indeed but we’ll have to see how the numbers end up. Certainly the Bloc has already stated that they are open to a coalition.

  115. The numbskull strategists have tricked their leaders into pulling the plug. They might believe it can’t get any worse than having our PM having 143 MPs and a slim majority in the Senate.

    The fact the coalition played games and gave Kevin Page the final arbiter of “real” numbers any proposal they have ^NOT vetted through him will be considered untrustworthy by their own definition.

    They have attack every other department including our military in providing analysis. This is another tactical mistake.

    The longer Ignatieff denies a coalition the better it is for the Conservative party. They need to present a single costed platform with the price of the NDP and Bloc before the Canadians cast their ballot.

    The coalition won’t get a do-over.

  116. Ontario Girl says:

    WOW…news on Global…New Poll out…Ipso Reid….Conservatives…43%……Liberals…..24…….showing all the things that voters would not be getting if the budget is not passed.

  117. Gabby in QC says:

    For those interested in costing of F-35s compared to the Kevin Page’s guesstimates:
    http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/pri/2/pro-pro/ngfc-fs-ft/comparison-comparaison-eng.asp
    Equipment Procurement
    Next Generation Fighter Capability
Comparison of Costing

    • Joanne says:

      Good stuff Gabby. Please keep all that handy. I trust you’ve kept some kind of back-up of all your terrific links? We may be needing them. Thanks.

  118. Sammy says:

    JOHN IVISON ON FULL COMMENT : Tories shrug off opposition attacks..SURGE TO 19 POINT LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  119. Ontario Girl says:

    New Ispo Reid Poll Conservatives have a HUGE lead in ONTARIO….

    http://www.globalnews.ca/story.html?id=4498707

  120. Fay says:

    Anyone else watch Craig Oliver and Gloria Galloway campaigning for CTV that Canadians shouldn’t be afraid of a coalition of IGGY, Layton with support of Bloc???? Our Liberal loving MSM campaigning all day every day.
    Don Martin had his cute little grandson on at the end.

    • Joanne says:

      Fay – I saw that and Oliver misrepresented the British coalition – The difference there is that one of the winning parties is actually part of the Government! (As opposed to the Coalition of Losers.)

      Yeah Don Martin’s grandson is a cutie. Almost as cute as mine. ;)

  121. Springer says:

    John Ivison, in that column…

    Quote: Still — a 19-point difference is a huge lead with which to enter a campaign. It raises the question: Was everyone in the Opposition Leaders’ Office sniffing glue when they decided to force an election?

    Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!!!

  122. Ontario Girl says:

    Tom Flanagan on CBC says People see Conservatives are “SEXY” now CBC is saying…”Are seniors getting tooooo MUCH?”lololol
    Lisa Fuller…Jennifer Ditchburn and Evan Soloman are going NUTS to spin this .

  123. frmgrl says:

    Yes, and let’s pray we’ll have reason to celebrate too after the last vote is counted on election night.

  124. maz2 says:

    Was there any doubt?

    Of Liberal Count Ignatieff, the (OIC) Organization of the Islamic Conference, the world’s biggest Islamic coalition, and Liberal Iggy’s Ad$Cam MartinJr.

    Eat Puffin, Count IgnatRae*.

    >>> “Therein lies what will be confirmation for some about the real impulse behind the OIC’s rejection of Canada last October: It was all about Israel.”

    “Meanwhile Canada, denied that seat largely because of OIC opposition to the Canadian candidacy, didn’t get to vote, but is acting. ”

    “Canada a big presence in Libya, despite Security Council snub”

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/Canada+presence+Libya+despite+Security+Council+snub/4498609/story.html

    …-

    *Count IgnatRaeMartinJr:

    “Bob Rae blasts Harper ‘jihadis’”
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2011/02/24/17396346.html

    Liberal Ad$Scam MartinJr and the Mohammedan:

    http://bcblue.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/martin-moammar-qaddafi.jpg

  125. Ontario Girl says:

    CBC using Liberal CARP as a negative. Now onto Helena Guergis up next…Yawn. No wonder no one watches CBC.(I do for entertainment…like watching yuk yuk)

  126. Springer says:

    That Global News link starts off with, “Tories near majority: poll”

    Near majority???

    I guess so, like if you consider 200 plus seats out of 308 a close race.

  127. Fay says:

    I suspect the CBC has gone to Code Red high alert attack Harper mode over this latest poll.

  128. jon says:

    Has it ever happened before that the leader of the opposition wanted to defeat the govt when polls consistently show he’s double digits behind? I can’t get my head around it. The only plausible explanation is that they Liberals and NDP are hoping to hold PMSH to a minority and hoping that combined they’ll have more seats, without having to include the Bloc, which they know would be a tough sell to Canadians. That’s the only thing I can think of.

    BTW, caught that too — Oliver trying to use the UK’s govt as an analogy to justify a Liberal-NDP coalition when he knows full well that the party that won the most seats is leads that coalition. Evan Solomon, Ditchburn and Frulla on P&P didn’t seem to enthused about the poll. Solomon wanted to change the channel, focusing on the party strategy. And Frulla WARNED us not to put too much stock in the national polls.

    Funny how Solomon was so dismissive but just a few weeks ago he was all excited, calling a 32-28% EKOS poll a possible game-changer.

    Yeah, that’s it — dismiss 8-10 polls that consistently put the Tories in the high 30s, low 40s, but play up one or two over the past 2 months that have them significantly down.

  129. Ontario Girl says:

    Helena Guergis will not vote against the Conservative Govt. on the budget.YET she is blabbering against PM Harper on CBC and Evan Soloman loves it and is picking up dirt on the Govt. with her and she is providing CBC with all the dirt.
    Anyone who goes to CBC is NOT a Conservative.

  130. frmgrl says:

    Funny how Solomon was so dismissive but just a few weeks ago he was all excited, calling a 32-28% EKOS poll a possible game-changer.

    Where’s the EKOS poll?………. wasn’t Franky supposed to have poll out today? It’s Thursday.

  131. Ruth says:

    What an amazing world we have now. I’m old enough to remember the old phones on the wall and now we have instant text messaging and I’m just loving Twitter now too. Thanks Joanne for getting us interested in that. Not getting anything else done but hey…it’s still winter, isn’t it.

  132. jad says:

    John Ivison nails it in his latest piece. He’ll likely get tossed out of the PPG for this. http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/03/24/john-ivison-tories-shrug-off-opposition-attacks-surge-to-19-point-lead/

    It’s only if you believe the real goal is to hold the Conservatives to another minority, in order to form a coalition of losers with the NDP and the Bloc Québécois, that the drive to bring down the government starts to make sense.

    Those Conservative numbers may rise higher still if enough Canadians become convinced that this has been the opposition parties’ plan all along.

  133. Ontario Girl says:

    Author: CanadianSense
    Comment:
    A nice photo stream of our PM below.

    Thanks for this….and more years to come, with photo’s of PM Harper working for Canadians.

  134. Sammy says:

    Tory Redux blog has a link to Canada.com story from Nanaimo..it is a must-read,as a former Lib candidate has said this election should NOT be happening,,so much for libs all being on-msg!
    Gads..that whiny Peggy Nash on now..btw go vote at cbc poll!

  135. jon says:

    Somewhat OT but I hope Toronto mayor Ford campaigns alongside PMSH when he’s here. The Tories won’t elect a single MP in the city but in the surrounding 905 where Ford’s brand and style is even more popular, his support for PMSH couldn’t hurt. And the contrast of having PMSH receiving Ford’s support while Iggy’s Liberals are endorsed by McLiar’s Liberals would pretty much seal the deal in a lot of those battleground ridings around the city.

    I was more than pleased to hear Ontario’s finance minister Duncan endorsing Iggy’s Liberals and saying many of his colleagues will be doing the same.

    They came out strong for Smitherman in the mayoral race… that certainly paid dividends, didn’t it.

    Of course, the media covering the election wouldn’t be pleased with Ford’s endorsement of PMSH, probably saying that a mayor should remain neutral. Something, of course, they didn’t say when David Miller campaigned along side PM Martin in 2004.

  136. Sammy says:

    evan mentioned that Ekos poll will be on Fri.

  137. Mary T says:

    Wanted to watch all the retiring MPs today, but business iterferred. Was surprised at how many will not run again. Will the media call all those libs leaving, rats running from a sinking ship, as they indicated our guys were. Isn’t Shaun Murphy in some trouble re campaigning or something, is that why he is quitting. I was hoping some lib from SK was taking a walk but no such luck.

  138. maggie says:

    Say that there was another CON minority win – then another alarming aspect of the coalition flexing their muscles is the possibility that the Bloc ends up with more seats than either the LIBS or NDP. There are 75 seats in Quebec which at the moment are BQ 49, LIB 14, CON 10 and NDP 1 and 2 IND – if 15 or 16 moved over to the BQ then that would put them in the senior position in the coalition pecking order.
    Please tell me that I am overthinking this!!!!!

  139. Sammy says:

    Tweet from Ray Heard (Lib):’Mastermind of coalition conceit is JC,DONOLO,EDDIE,HIS GUYS.My group opposes deal with separatist DEVILS

    • Joanne says:

      Tweet from Ray Heard (Lib):’Mastermind of coalition conceit is JC,DONOLO,EDDIE,HIS GUYS.My group opposes deal with separatist DEVILS

      Sammy – I missed that earlier. Here’s a link to the actual tweet.

      Mmmm.. Division within the party you say? Pity. ;)

  140. Richco says:

    the Quebec oil deal plus the polls are game changers only in that it means that our PM and the CPC is in very good shape.

    Sammy – re: Peggy Nash – If you watched QP today you will have seen Gerard Kennedy on his feet rambling on about something, never did ask a question, but John Baird’s smackdown of Kennedy was excellent as he brought up Peggy Nash who is the NDP who beat out Kennedy in the last Ontario election….soundly. It was quite funny. I can’t stand Gerard Kennedy who was once Ontario’s education minister.

    jon “I was more than pleased to hear Ontario’s finance minister Duncan endorsing Iggy’s Liberals and saying many of his colleagues will be doing the same.”

    Could be the kiss of death for Dalton. Watch how fast they distance themselves from Iggy in no time flat – kind of like WK’s doing.

    Actually, provincially all of the action on the federal scene is taking heat off of McGuinty and I’m betting he knows it. The again IF they support Iggy…maybe not.

    Joanne/Sandy – yesterday I had trouble accessing BLY for about an hour in the late afternoon. I did write Sandy about it Joanne because I couldn’t get near your site – kept getting an error message.

  141. Springer says:

    Maggie, were this sort of split to hold up, it’s very feasible that the BLOC could end up the “Official Opposition”. (There’s ironic justice in that, is there not?)

    The last time a party took in the range of 46% of the vote in Ontario, they swept up close 100 seats. That would absolutely decimate the Liberals! (Which couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch, ya think!)

  142. Ontario Girl says:

    Jon comment: Funny how Solomon was so dismissive but just a few weeks ago he was all excited, calling a 32-28% EKOS poll a possible game-changer.

    That CBC Ekos poll had Conservatives at 36 and Libs at 27. ….Cons. were never that low.

  143. Ontario Girl says:

    Ruth comment
    Not getting anything else done but hey…it’s still winter, isn’t it.

    LOL…I can relate…this politics and blogging is addictive. The dust on the hardwood can wait. I rather say…”I supported PM Harper” than saying, I had no tumbleweeds??

  144. Moebius says:

    I want a clear statement from Ignatieff that any coalition agreement to prop up a government lead by him will not include the support of the BQ. So far, he refuses to rule it out, and I know what that means……

    A definite show-stopper for me.

    • Joanne says:

      I want a clear statement from Ignatieff that any coalition agreement to prop up a government lead by him will not include the support of the BQ. So far, he refuses to rule it out, and I know what that means……

      A definite show-stopper for me.

      Moebius draws a line in the sand. This is an auspicious day indeed.

  145. Ruth says:

    Richco, isn’t Peggy Nash running against Gerard for the Federal Election right now.

  146. Ontario Girl says:

    The Harper government recorded a healthy lead over the Liberals in almost every region — ahead by 16 points in Ontario (46 versus 30), seven points in Quebec (25 versus 18) and 28 points in British Columbia (50 versus 22). It also leads among young people, the middle-aged, seniors, men and women.

    Canada is awake. A coalition would be Egypt in the streets.

  147. frmgrl says:

    Canada is awake. A coalition would be Egypt in the streets.

    No kidding! You would see us out here in the west rise up to separate. I guarantee it!

  148. Ontario Girl says:

    Author: Sammy
    Comment:
    evan mentioned that Ekos poll will be on Fri.

    lololol…who believes CBC Esko…prediction……Conservatives….35….Liberals 33…reason…The Carson manufactured scandal like the waffle -gate scandal. CBC is all washed up. Canadians are onto them now and their credibility is 0.

  149. Ontario Girl says:

    Author: Mary T
    Comment:
    Isn’t Shaun Murphy in some trouble re campaigning or something, is that why he is quitting.

    Yes…he was using his parliamentary office to send donations for fundraising….when the witch hunt committee wanted to cancel the committee on the CBC and their cutting off access to information, to call an URGENT committee meeting against Jason Kenny for a staffer using $10 of letterhead of his office,.When the GOVT said Okay…we call Shawn Murphy Liberal and Linda Duncan NDP and a Block member for using their Parliamentary addresses for fundraising it got cancelled. Ethics and Democracy Coalition style. How do you like it so far?

  150. Peter B says:

    peety puck

    4:27 PM on March 24, 2011

    Ignatieff must be very special.

    How many people get a $300 million going away party ?

    • Joanne says:

      Ignatieff must be very special.

      How many people get a $300 million going away party ?

      That’s almost tweetable.

  151. Moebius says:

    “Moebius draws a line in the sand. This is an auspicious day indeed.”

    That line has always been there. I spent my formative years in Quebec, and have seen what the separatist threat has produced. Can’t stand them, never will. The least involvement they have with my life and government, the better.

  152. Moebius says:

    The only reason I can see Layton wanting to go into an election campaign, with the most likely result of the NDP losing seats to the Liberals, is some guarantee of power-sharing already in his pocket, which must inevitably include the BQ. I will certainly be paying attention to such possibilities.

    • Joanne says:

      Moebius – The only party that stands to win in that kind of scenario is the Bloc. They win no matter what. They’re laughing at us.

  153. Ruth says:

    this is good news….Oda dodges contempt bullet

  154. Moebius says:

    And, to be clear, such a coalition is perfectly legal in our happy parliamentary democracy, but woe to the parties who partake in such a deal, in the next election opportunity. There would be a *very* unhappy electorate, in all provinces but one.

  155. Moebius says:

    “They’re laughing at us.”

    Of course. And they will collect pensions from our tax dollars. I bet not one has the convictions to turn the money down.

    But that is the system of government we have; it can be hijacked by regional parties.

  156. Ontario Girl says:

    Author: Joanne
    Comment:
    I rather say…”I supported PM Harper” than saying, I had no tumbleweeds??

    Or dustbunnies?

    Thats how long I have been addicted to my BLY …I used to be a clean freak fanatic….now my dustbunnies are tumbleweeds….all for PM Harper of course.

  157. Bubba Brown says:

    I don’t care if I have dust rhinos, I am engaged in the process.
    If the wretched waffle thinks he is gonna sleaze a coalition past moi I will tell y’all right now I will dig up Uncle Louie and declare West of the Lake head Canada.
    I like Moebius drawing a line in the sand , I would respectfully add I would accept a statement from the flip=flapping’ waffle only if it was signed, dated and witnessed.
    Owl-Livers is saying’ garbage he looks like a accident victim trying to focus on the camera as far as Helena goes she still does not get it.
    Given the poll numbers we all have to take a deep breath and dig in for the duration the Election is ours to loose.
    I am turning off my computer got butter chicken, saffron rice, and chapities for supper.
    Now where is that bottle of red wine. Cheers! good posts, great vibes, we will continue the the journey to a Conservative Honest Government in Canada.
    The best is yet to come!

  158. Ontario Girl says:

    Liberal Don Martin on P&P asks Candice Hophner..”Whats wrong with a coalition Govt?” If Don Martin asks that question then we all know where he is coming from….CTV?
    Now he has Elizabeth May on…she isn’t even a player, except for CBC in a debate to make it CBC/LIBERALS/NDP/BLOCK/GREEN against Pm Harper. Now she is talking the Harper agenda bla bla bla….she is so washed up looking for a senate seat in a coalition Govt.

  159. maz2 says:

    Read this:

    “Oda dodges contempt bullet”

    http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/03/24/17745466.html

    Read this:

    “This government will never be found in contempt of Parliament.”

    http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2011/3/23/4778357.html

    Stay tuned as Liberal Count Ignatieff defaults to the PET Cemetery on Friday.

    • Joanne says:

      Maz2 – I like the fact that Oda will avoid the contempt charge.

      But the Akin link is SO confusing. It makes my head hurt.

  160. Sammy says:

    So,lets summarize: Iggy won’t say NO,Goodale waffled in true Libgab on Primetime Politics CPAC last eve..they replayed clip tonite,Holland wouldn’t say no,Rob Silver wouldn’t deny (on cpac)tonite.yet the dipper panelists aren’t shy! Peter van Dusen really pushed the libs on this tonite..to no avail.IT IS IN THE WORKS,with JC pulling the strings..you betcha!
    As for the dust bunnies? Not to worry my True-blue friends..let them be,they don’t require feeding..they will wait….we got an election to WIN!
    BTW,there was an awesome article about a plan here in Man.to fix the water problem on N.reserves..and it is bad..and it is NOT a Lib.handout program..it is a ‘hand-up’ initiative to teach trades to First Nations to do the work themselves.That is likely why Tammy-Faye Neville was ranting about the issue in QP today.If you go to Wpg.Free Press,search Larry Kusch,and article titled Island Lake plumbing plan touted.WHERE is the msm coverage?
    Just watching PP, and I must admit,I think Oliver has gone insane!

  161. Mary T says:

    I hope they have a lot of ems staff on hand on election night as I expect a lot of panic attacks, apoplexy and other illnesses to overtake the anchors and experts in the news rooms of Canada, except at SunTv.
    If lizzie is expecting a senate seat she has a long wait for one to open up in BC.
    As for ollie, I think he lost it about the time PET left the bldg.

  162. ed says:

    frmgrl says:
    March 24, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    “Yes, and let’s pray we’ll have reason to celebrate too after the last vote is counted on election night.”

    And we better make sure the votes are counted correctly. Top security is definitely required. I do not trust the coalition one iota after all they have done. I remember the hundreds of thousands of votes that were contested after the Quebec referendum. A recount was requested and denied. The ballots were not to be re-opened and checked. Years later, they were destroyed despite the protestations that endured to the very end.

  163. Joe says:

    Interesting thought. Given that JC and da boys are calling the shots here to bring about a leftist coalition wouldn’t it be interesting if there were a number of ‘blue’ liberals who can not stomach the thought of having the Bloc holding veto over national affairs and decide to stay away during the up coming confidence vote? If there are enough of them there would be no election. Iffy would look like a bigger buffoon than he already does. Jack would be replaced as leader of the NDP. The problem is that now would be a fantastic time for the Conservatives to have an election. The coalition IS in play, the liberals look like rabid dogs and Jack has passed his best before date and Quebec and PM reached an agreement that should take the starch out of the bloc’s sails.

  164. ed says:

    May better not be in the leaders’ debate!! There’s no valid reason for her to be there. Otherwise, I should be there, too. Take that!! The PM should refuse to take part if she is present. Actually, I think the Liberals and NDP have been using her strategy, her mode of operation, via their style of commentary. She is one obnoxious person to say the least. Talk about lack of civility!!

  165. Ontario Girl says:

    Author: ed
    Comment:
    frmgrl says:
    March 24, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    “Yes, and let’s pray we’ll have reason to celebrate too after the last vote is counted on election night.”

    And we better make sure the votes are counted correctly.

    I was thinking about this very thing tonight. I don’t think it would be wise to vote at advance polls. Too much of a chance for votes to go missing or manipulation of votes sitting around in advance voting boxes. I don’t trust elections Canada after that show of CBC TV camera’s and media at the Conservative headquarters.

    Just like now on CBC another “DUMPSTER” story…this time in Sask where boxes of medical records show up in a dumpster. Sound familiar from the last election?

    Don Martins grandson looks just like him. When Martin brought up an election, his grandson started to cry. Maybe he’s a Conservative.??

  166. Mary T says:

    Re counting the votes, I would suggest that as many of you as possible volunteer to work the polls this election. Some are paid positions others are volunteer. Each candidate is allowed to have at least 2 scrutineers at every poll during the polling times, and they can stay to watch the vote count. Quite an interesting process to watch. As a scrutineer you can challenge any voter, thru a process.
    I was shocked last election to see the people who ran the advance poll come into the polling place with the advance ballots, to be opened and counted. They had been in her home for 2 days. We must be at the polls where there were recounts last time, and the winner only won by a few hundred votes.
    Call your candidates office and offer your services in what ever way you can.

    • Joanne says:

      They had been in her home for 2 days. We must be at the polls where there were recounts last time, and the winner only won by a few hundred votes.
      Call your candidates office and offer your services in what ever way you can.

      Wow. Really good advice Mary T! We know we can’t take it for granted that Elections Canada will looking out for us.

  167. Ontario Girl says:

    CBC “At ISSUE” Andrew Coyne said that “Ignatieff has to answer the coalition question. His answer was the worst answer. He is going to do it and has to be honest about it and say it. Its a cabinet with Jack layton and Libby Davis in it.”
    YIKES.

    • Joanne says:

      CBC “At ISSUE” Andrew Coyne said that “Ignatieff has to answer the coalition question.

      Exactly. Iggy can’t campaign on honesty and transparency until he categorically answers that question – for himself and for his party.

  168. cantuc says:

    I think Iggys ego is actually big enough that he thinks he can win by himself . If not , then he’ll call Layton or Mulcair , if Laytons out of the picture because of health reasons or multiple knife wounds to the back. An ego that big must be a bugger to haul around .

  169. Mary T says:

    Did anyone catch the speeches of those mps who are resigning. Did the Speaker make a speech.
    When PMSH was first elected, lets face it, he had a caucus full of rookies who had to learn the ropes of the rules and procedures of ministers, parlimentary sec, and so much more. And they had to elect a speaker. Milliken had been there and the PM trusted him. So, after the next election he was re-elected as speaker, and it was during this last session that his partisanship come out. He allowed the goons to get away with horrible remarks and bad behaviour. I think that the libs were sure that the govt could be defeated in a few months and they would get back in. The PM has never had the support of the opposition during these past 5 yrs. Layton was sure he could govern like he did with other lib PMs, to keep them in power. Shock, it didn’t work. If the coalition gets in, the lib caucus if full of past ministers, who know how to cook the books, steal money, and will ride roughshod over iggy.
    Imagine Libby as minister to replace Bev Oda.
    Was there really money for a Greycup party. Guess they would rather it be for a Pride parade.
    Everyone of us must attend all candidate debates, and ask the lib/ndp candidate, will you support a coalition govt with the Bloc having veto power over everything. If they say NO, then ask, if elected and the coalition was a done deal, would you resign.
    It is not only iggy and layton that has to answer that question, and then we must get their answer out on the blogs.

  170. Richco says:

    Springer “The last time a party took in the range of 46% of the vote in Ontario, they swept up close 100 seats. That would absolutely decimate the Liberals! ”

    Do you think that would benefit or hinder the PCs provincially Springer?

    Ruth – “Richco, isn’t Peggy Nash running against Gerard for the Federal Election right now.” She may be Ruth I’m not sure. I did however chase down that the Liberals in our riding do have a candidate – a mayor who was unsuccessful in his municipal race.

    Re: the Oda decision – that’s great, what was it exactly? That will mean a triple good news day for the PM and the CPC.

  171. Peter B says:

    On Thursday’s edition of Power Play Canadians were informed and witness to Ignatieff’s first campaign blunder in exposing Ignatieff’s contradictory position in precipitating an unwanted election on Canadians, a 400 million dollar farewell party for himself, at taxpayer’s expense, with accusations of Prime Minister Harper’s contempt of parliament for not answering questions. Yet as an aspiring Prime Minister, on the very important subject of Coalitions, in respect to democracy, parliament and open government Ignatieff refuses, not only to provide answers to fellow MP’s, but also the media and all Canadians – what are we turnips? Welcome Canadians to the Ignateff world of open government and his contempt for Canadian’s right to know where he stands on the issues.
    Ignatieff has created his own problem in regards to the idea of a coalition, because he publicly tried to deny that he embraced the concept of a coalition of the Liberals and NDP. He has waffled on the subject and positioned himself to the Canadian electorate on both sides of the issue – how to throw leadership credentials down the toilet in one easy lesson. Than to go from the sublime to the ridiculous, he tried to illustrate that he straddled the fence on the issue, by finally admitting he signed the letter to the Governor General, but his signature was the last one of the caucus. Did he want Canadians to think that the caucus finally was able to catch him and force him to sign or did they spend days convincing him that he should sign – what was the message he was trying to convey or was it all of the above.
    Canadians are also wondering, what the dynamic is that Ignatieff tried to introduce, by incorporating some relevance of importance and measure of acceptance to where in the list his signature appeared – did the media ever get an answer or resolution to this because if they didn’t they should for the benefit of Canadians, so in future in like circumstances they would know his true position and commitment on any paper his signature appeared on, possibly God forbid, even with other world leaders .

  172. jon says:

    Why should May be part of the debates? She didn’t win a seat. Her party never won a singe one either. What’s the criteria? 5%? Why is that the minimum? What if the Greens get 4 % this time? Is that the new low? Simply put, the media consortium which decides who’s in and who’s out are made up of the same people who are obsesses with bringing down PMSH everyday. BTW, didn’t May say that running against McKay last time was based on principle, that it’s where she’s and she was up for the fight? She’s running in the west now… I guess she’s acknowledging she has no principle.

  173. jon says:

    *where she grew up

  174. Mary T says:

    What could May do if elected, has she paid attention to the other independents in the HofC. She would not be allowed to be on her feet all the time, or to interrupt, so, how long before she crossed the floor to sit with the liberals. And there would be enough mps with experience she would not get a cabinet post or anything else.
    I think the only debate should be on SunTv.

  175. jon says:

    Oh, and last thing, one thing that angers me — and I’ve heard so many reporters repeat it — is when they say the election could be to Iggy’s advantage, that Canadians can get to know him.

    I find that particular opinion contemptuous of Canadians. They’re implying that Iggy’s low personal polling numbers results from us not knowing him, that we just don’t see him yet the way they, the media, apparently do.

    Have they ever stopped to think that we know all about him and that THAT’S why his numbers are in the toilet, that we have already rendered a verdict on him?

    Truth is, THEIR credibility is on the line. They’re just trying to save face because right from the beginning, before he even “returned”, they touted him as the next great leader of the Liberal Party (many saying a future PM), doing cartwheels in the newsrooms at just the news that 2 Liberals senators had gone down to Harvard to convince him to throw his hat in the ring.

    No doubt, the next Liberal leader we’ll get the same treatment — saying that THIS TIME, the Liberals could have a winner on their hands… Canadians will mock and ridicule the media.

    A. Coyne in particular has no credibility. People forget what he said in Dec 2006 when Dion “won” the leadership, that Dion “shouldn’t be underestimated”, that he’s an extremely bright guy and that if the Conservatives do so it could be at their own peril… would love to see someone remind him of that on At Issues.

    And last (just rambling here), can’t wait to see Geurgis on Sun TV when she’s asked whether she feels the CBC is out to get the CPC and generally whether she feels that hate small “c” conservatives, and how she feels assisting them in their efforts….

    …she is going to accept an invitation to appear as a guest, isn’t she?

  176. Springer says:

    Richco…

    Can’t really say. Judging from the mayoralty race in Toronto, and the PC’s lead in the polls over McGuinty, it would seem Ontarians finally have had enough of frivolous spending. It’s getting to be a load they can’t afford to carry any longer.

    If I’m a Liberal MP, I’m more than tad concerned about my future employment…even inside the GTA!

    Numbers like these…if they actually hold up…would indicate the CPC is poised to take about 70 to 80 seats in Ontario. And that’s their majority in the bag!

    Which will, it’s also worth noting, leave the LPC absolutely decimated. I think their showing in west of the Ontario/Manitoba border will be their worst since the McKenzie King days…possibly one or two in Vancouver, and that’s about it. I’d even bet Goodale’s finished in Sask.

  177. Thucydides says:

    A successful coalition *could* be formed between the “Blue” Liberals and the CPC as a “Coalition of the Winners”, somewhat in the manner of the recent UK election. This would be far more palatable than a “Coalition of the Losers”, which is what Ignatieff would represent. The real trick would be how to woo dissociated Liberal MP’s to cross the floor; perhaps as part of a “National Unity Government” dedicated to keeping Canada on an even keel as the global economy continues its turmoil?

    • Joanne says:

      A successful coalition *could* be formed between the “Blue” Liberals and the CPC as a “Coalition of the Winners”, somewhat in the manner of the recent UK election. This would be far more palatable than a “Coalition of the Losers”, which is what Ignatieff would represent.

      Interesting. I wonder if a coaliton could be made that way.

  178. wilson says:

    So if the government was not found in contempt by the House,
    is the non-confidence motion the coalition opposition is putting forward tomorrow, in order?
    (it does refer to the committee finding of contempt)

    http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2011/3/23/4778357.html

  179. Joanne says:

    Sent an e-mail to my MP – who is NDP and told them as much. Also sent a generous cheque to the CPC – bet they get a lot of $$$ this next week. I have no idea who is running in my area for the Conservatives, they can run a poodle and I’d vote for the little mutt.

    Dolly – Meant to respond to this yesterday. I love the poodle line. Thanks for the chuckle.

    Certainly a poodle would be better than some of those NDP attack dogs like Pat Martin.

  180. Liz J says:

    It appears Michael Harris in his sun column today is already into his anti-Harper slag-fest in anticipation of an election: “Harper no longer on high moral ground”.

    It’s really amusing to have all the anti-Conservatives getting so high on morals and ethics but it’s understandable, it’s their next and last trick they’ve got to pull. What exactly has PM Harper done that’s so terribly wrong on their high and mighty morality scale after all of their gotchas have fizzled?

    • Joanne says:

      Liz J – I quite agree. They don’t care about the facts. This has been an elaborate set-up courtesy of those ‘brown envelopes’ that Greg Weston referred to.

      New post up BTW.

  181. Richco says:

    Springer – “Which will, it’s also worth noting, leave the LPC absolutely decimated. I think their showing in west of the Ontario/Manitoba border will be their worst since the McKenzie King days…possibly one or two in Vancouver, and that’s about it. I’d even bet Goodale’s finished in Sask.”

    great points. I was also thinking that if it’s a rout in Ontario for the federal Liberal MPs that with the provincial election so close behind that technically those ousted MPs could run provincially and end up at Queen’s Park.

    “A successful coalition *could* be formed between the “Blue” Liberals and the CPC as a “Coalition of the Winners”, somewhat in the manner of the recent UK election. This would be far more palatable than a “Coalition of the Losers”, which is what Ignatieff would represent.”

    Oddly enough I think that coalition exists presently and very quietly.

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