The problem with Liberals

Tarek Fatah does not seem impressed with Michael Ignatieff’s response to Justin Trudeau’s ‘barbaric’ gaffe.

If you follow Fatah’s Twitter feed from yesterday, he’s trying to make the point that equating honour killings with domestic violence is part of the problem – not the solution.  And so he has an issue with how Iggy attempted to defuse the situation.

I do too.

These are Michael Ignatieff’s exact words:

At a news conference in Montreal, Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff said that Canada is based on “equality between the sexes.”

“Let’s not play word games with this stuff…. There’s no such thing as an honour killing, there’s only killing and it’s a crime everywhere,” he said.

“We’re based on equality here and any of these practices are simply unacceptable. If you want to use the word barbaric, use the word barbaric,” he said.

Sorry Iggy. You just made it worse.

As Fatah points out, calling ‘honour killings’ domestic violence diminishes the scope of the problem and ignores the systemic cultural causes that need to be addressed.

You can say that all murder is barbaric (and many do), but honour killings are a special case. I haven’t seen a better analysis of the problem than that of Professor Phyllis Chesler’s in Saturday’s Post – The Sisterhood’s most Important Struggle:

An honour killing is not the same as a Western domestically violent femicide. Many honorable feminists disagree with me on this point. They believe that honour killings belong in the same category as Western domestic violence. Understandably, such feminists fear singling out one group for behaviour that may be common to all groups. But if, for reasons of “political correctness,” we fail to properly understand a crime, we will never be able to prevent or to prosecute it.

She then goes on to explain an important difference:

In the West, child-murderers, wife batterers and wife-killers are now (courtesy of second-wave feminism), seen as criminals. Yet those who commit or assist in the commission of honour killings view such killings as heroic, and even as the fulfillment of a tribal or religious obligation.

This is an important point. Even though it is murder, the community around the family members who have carried out the ‘honour killing’ may indeed side with the killers. So their social milieu may actually condone their behaviour and agree that the dishonoured father and sons had no choice. Mothers are also often complicit in the act by turning a blind eye.

We don’t usually see this kind of social and familial involvement in other kinds of domestic violence.

Chesler sums up:

We must issue clear government warnings to all immigrants to the West: Honour killings and female genital mutilation will be prosecuted under Western law. Since honour killings are collaborations, conspiracies, both the perpetrators and accomplices will all be prosecuted. European courts have recently begun to do all this. Unlike the United States, they have a large Muslim immigrant population.

Here in Canada, the Conservative Government is trying to grapple with this cultural divide. The message is clear. We will not tolerate these kinds of abuses. Please don’t bring this part of your culture here.

But Liberals are so worried about offending anyone that they’d rather pussyfoot around a cultural problem than confront it head-on.

Unfortunately their head-in-the-sand approach is likely to exasperate the suffering and threaten the lives of many young immigrant women.

 

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Related

Why it’s barbaricLorrie Goldstein. (Caution – Very graphic)

Justin Trudeau’s weasel words ‘absolutely unacceptable’ – NAOMI LAKRITZ, CALGARY HERALD:

In dislodging his foot from his mouth, via an apology and retraction, Trudeau said he had gotten “tangled in semantic weeds.”

Give this man a Weed Whacker for his next birthday.

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234 Responses to The problem with Liberals

  1. Joe says:

    Personally I don’t like using the word ‘Barbaric’ describe ‘honour killings’. I find it insulting to Barbarians.

  2. Bec says:

    The other difference between a common domestic violence scenario and an honour killing is premeditation. They are always planned and carried out, systematically where a typical domestic violence act is chronic abuse that generally escalates in a moment of uncontrolled anger….spontaneous vs calculated….big difference MIA, big difference!

  3. Sammy says:

    Jo,you MUST link to Lorrie Goldstein’s piece today,”Why it’s barbaric”.definately NOT for the faint of heart..very graphic,but neccesary.
    Re all these ‘faux’ scandals,for the cbc to come out with this Guergis thing is the height of hypocrisy for sure.My husband,who is totally non-political saw that pice last nite…his comment,”geez,is that the best they can do?”..and,”who cares..they are really hitting the bottom of the barrel!”
    Interesting isn’t it too,that Giggles is begging for those nasty Cons to leave poor baby Justin alone..he’s apologized,now move along!Good God! Stop and think how ALL the msm have piled on/attacked mercilessly any Cons MP they get a whiff of a story on! That to me,really highlights the blatant partisan nature we are dealing with.

    • Joanne says:

      Jo,you MUST link to Lorrie Goldstein’s piece today,”Why it’s barbaric”.definately NOT for the faint of heart..very graphic,but neccesary

      Yes thanks Sammy! I already retweeted it but will set up a link here.

    • Joanne says:

      Thanks Bec. Yes I’ve got it up now. I read the book that Lorrie’s talking about. That segment still haunts me today.

  4. Mary T says:

    Seems that Scott is not happy with the information he received yesterday at the gong show. Calls it a photo op. Funny how the schedule he demanded for today is being changed. They will find the govt in contempt, and election will be called, and we can blame Scott for it. How can that committee go over 1000 pages of stuff, have meetings today, and by tomorrow have a report on the new information. This report to be prepared in secret by the committee.
    There is no way Scott can backdown now. The ndp might be very upset with him for causing all their problems, and possible loss of seats. Libs might also turn against him, if they lose seats.
    Today should be interesting. Will Page have his report ready.
    And I hope everyone who watched yesterday noticed how many of those responsible for preparing information have been long time civil servants and have worked for years in liberal governments and departments. In a couple of years all those 25 yr guys will retire and maybe they will be replaced by unbiased people.
    I think a lot of them have forgotten the purpose of the civil service, to carry out the will of the government-of today- not of yesterday or the hoped for govt of tomorrow.

  5. Ontario Girl says:

    O/T they changed the schedule again over at CPAC…the committee is on now.

  6. Mary T says:

    I don’t think the Chair likes Scott, he had barely opened his mouth to attack Vic T when he was told by the Chair to address the Chair, not the witness.

  7. Mary T says:

    Already another argument with the Chair, This could be good. Already a point of order re he is talking about something not requested.

  8. Ontario Girl says:

    Brison doesn’t want viewers to hear answers….just him smearing and making speeches. re:Clinton and now Mulroney. Calling them two crusty old lawyers? 5 minutes and not one question yet.

  9. Richco says:

    I think that Brison and McGuinty play to the cameras and don’t have a clue how they come off looking like spoiled frat boys. I bet if this wasn’t televised they wouldn’t showboat so much. It’s all about hoping their message will stick with Canadians. It won’t.

    As a matter of fact if we need any further proof that the Liberals are only in it for themselves, if they force and election that we know Canadians don’t want, and our country can’t afford Ignatieff has effectively turned his back on his country…..again.

    Joe Preston (the committee chair) will not back down and I quite like it when we fight back.

  10. maz2 says:

    PET Cemetery asks:

    You wan barbaric? Blob, er Bloc.

    Meanwhile, here was Da Iggy*: Sikhing a clear Head at the Temple.

    …-

    “Party’s over for the Bloc Québécois, Harper says”

    “The separatist Bloc Québécois is a party without a mission and is on the cusp of becoming obsolete because support for Quebec sovereignty has fallen dramatically, Prime Minister Stephen Harper says.

    Mr. Harper said Wednesday that while the Bloc Québécois remains popular, it no longer has a real mission. He predicted that Quebec will soon understand that the Bloc has given up hope on achieving sovereignty and voters will begin looking for an alternative.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/partys-over-for-the-bloc-qubcois-harper-says/article1945042/

    …-

    *Da Iggy Seeks:

    “Ignatieff defends attack ads after visit to Sikh Spiritual Centre
    insideTORONTO.com – ‎16 hours ago‎
    Ignatieff. Etobicoke North MP Kirsty Duncan and Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff stopped off at Rexdale’s Sikh Spiritual Centre Wednesday afternoon as part of the Liberal Party’s Working Families Tour”
    (googlenews)

  11. Mary T says:

    Now he is bringing up Clinton and Lewinski- what is IS, Scott is getting mad.
    3rd time Scott is admonished by the Chair. Point of Order re Scott accusing the minister of contempt. Love the way they keep mentioning Mr Brison, and what he wants re his Motion, and how he is giving partial quoted, thereby misleading the canadian people.

  12. Ontario Girl says:

    Conservative Armstrong said the Liberals are like Kids at xmas, complaining about a gift they already have.
    Toews said Brison asked for 18 specific bills and now is asking about OTHER bills, because of his own incompetance. Brison was sloppy & trying to cover his mistakes.
    Brison also is SELECTIVY taken quotes(from newspapers) to give the WRONG inpression.

  13. Bec says:

    Godin says “we represent provinces” WHOA BOY, that one took the cake!

    Not the sharpest tool in the shed!

    • Joanne says:

      David McGuinty wants to talk about ‘contempt’ – Chair says can only talk about ‘theoretical contempt’. McGuinty agrees. So that’s fair game.

      Theoretically speaking, which pol do you find more contemptible – David McGuinty or Pat Martin?

  14. Soccermom says:

    o/t….during a sports commentary segment on CKNW (Vancouver) a little while ago, the sports guy commended PM Harper for not caving in to Quebec in its demands for funding for an arena. He said anyone else would have caved in, and history has shown that was the case. Congratulated him for standing his ground even though it would likely cost him votes. And added a “Well done, Prime Minister Harper” at the end.

    kinda nice.

  15. NB Tory Gal says:

    The McGuinty is just dragging up his complaints and wanting to make sure he gets the meaning of contempt in… this is a kangaroo court and the speaker should suspend it…

  16. Ontario Girl says:

    There is all those witnesses to answer questions and McGuinty is making speeches??
    One question…”Why shouldn’t Canadians find your Govt. in CONTEMPT?”

  17. NB Tory Gal says:

    ha I didn’t see Joanne’s comments…same as mine…
    Pat Martin is not a member of the committee just a guest…they brought him in to vomit his venom.

    • Joanne says:

      ha I didn’t see Joanne’s comments…same as mine…

      No I think yours show another aspect. Please continue! ;)

  18. NB Tory Gal says:

    Answer to that question: Because Canadians recognize that the Liberals and other parties went searching for anything they could to smear…we have seen many instances…and this one just happened to catch the attention of the Speaker in their favour…..so, as Canadians we recognize that the opposition is not concentrating on mudslinging, and not on the business of Canada. Contempt is not evident. It is only in the minds of those who salivate to be in power.

  19. NB Tory Gal says:

    Why does that Kady or Katy whatever her name is…why does she place herself directly behind the witnesses… haaaa… she is really reacting now….guess that is why…

  20. NB Tory Gal says:

    Joanne…I have lost my sanity this morning…watching this…and wonder if I can get what I really want out… why is it not evident to anyone watching what the mandate of this committee is… this is a committee of “hate”. (our tory members are not included in this assessment)

  21. Mary T says:

    Bison is not looking too happy as David M is speaking. He has also been taken to task by the Chair. Canadians will not find the govt in contempt. Another question re the jets and not in the motion. But Nicholson gives a great speech to support the jets.
    Vic T was on his way to Winnipeg re the danger of flooding. (hidden message, to voters in Manitoba-libs don’t care re your possible flooding) ‘

  22. NB Tory Gal says:

    Can the speaker close down a committee? I do not think, from what I have seen of him, that he will…. it would bring his popularity numbers up if he did….

  23. NB Tory Gal says:

    ..oops made a mistake… the opposition is concentrating on mudslinging and not on the business of canada… (ever)

  24. NB Tory Gal says:

    Richco…
    As a matter of fact if we need any further proof that the Liberals are only in it for themselves, if they force and election that we know Canadians don’t want, and our country can’t afford Ignatieff has effectively turned his back on his country…..again.

    love it…effectively turned his back on his country….again !!!

    and Bec… not the sharpest tool in the drawer… I was thinking that too…

  25. Bec says:

    It has now all boiled down to the fact that they are unhappy with the timing of these documents? They have nothing else, nothing!
    These people are not worthy of their constituents!

  26. Ontario Girl says:

    NB Tory Gal
    Comment:
    Can the speaker close down a committee? I do not think, from what I have seen of him, that he will…. it would bring his popularity numbers up if he did….

    I don’t think so. Can you imagine how the media would spin that? That would fall into their hands on contemp of Parliament.
    The coalition don”t
    want any answers….. that s why they are wasting time with speeches. The witnesses sure know their stuff and are so cool, calm and collected in compareson to the other jokers of the committee coalition.
    Points of order? all from the Liberals. Then Godin says don’t play that trick on me. No thoughts on my time. What an a$$
    Can you see those guys as the Govt?

  27. frmgrl says:

    Heads up. Jack Layton will be on the Rutherford show next hour.

    I don’t have a strong enough stomach to watch the kangaroo court. Seems to me a total waste of time and taxpayers dollars just to smear the government. As far as the Liberals ads? I hope Bev Oda finds a good lawyer and sues the Liberal party big time! Kelly McParland on Adler yesterday said that ad reminded him of the “guns in the streets” ad a few years ago. Doesn’t think it will resonate with Canadians.

  28. Mary T says:

    So what has been accomplished this am. Our side gets to support the F35 and our troops, tell Manitobans that due to the hate of the liberals your flood potential will have to wait, expose Scott for the fool he is by trying to get info on bills he didn’t request.
    Also those Bloc members are only concerned for what it will cost Quebec, not the rest of Canadians.
    I expect Scott to really lose his temper before the day is out, and possibly David M to have a meltdown. Things not going their way.

  29. Ontario Girl says:

    Don Martin is not sworn in. He is there to speak and can’t vote.(they know no votes will happen today). Martin keeps asking questions but interrups the answers. Then he tells the chair..”Your NOT the speaker”.The chair says …”no but i’m the chair of this committee and thanks for the respect.” Now Ted Menzies is on. This should be good.

    Why doesn’t CPAC have the schedule right on their website for this.?? They have it starting now…not at 10am. If anyone went by that schedule they would of missed the gong show earlier. Shame.

    • Joanne says:

      Don Martin is not sworn in. He is there to speak and can’t vote.(they know no votes will happen today). Martin keeps asking questions but interrups the answers. Then he tells the chair..”Your NOT the speaker”.The chair says …”no but i’m the chair of this committee and thanks for the respect.”

      I think you mean PAT Martin? ;)

  30. frmgrl says:

    OT/SeemsAccording to Stephen Taylor tweet Andre Arthur is leaving the door open to run for the CPC.

  31. Ontario Girl says:

    I think you mean PAT Martin? ;)

    Yes…but they are hard to tell apart these days….lol

  32. frmgrl says:

    Frmgrl – That would be awesome!!!

    It would! He might as well anyway, he votes a majority of the time with the Conservatives.

  33. frmgrl says:

    Ted Menzies must be driving the Coalition nuts.

    Go Ted!!! I’m so proud of him. He’s my MP you know!

  34. Ruth says:

    oh…Ted Menzies is one great guy!!

  35. frmgrl says:

    Joanne@11:31am

    That’s disgusting Joanne. When they’re losing the argument on facts and truth they start the personal attacks.

  36. Mary T says:

    Opposition losing it today, loved the guy who said something about their trying to keep the govt from telling the truth. Ted mentioned the corporate tax costs go back to 2009 which the liberals supported.
    Kady looks bored, not texting, just looking.
    Poor mps, had to leave their ridings to attend these meeting. Well, why are the meetings being held, a motion by Scott, that the Speaker ruled on.
    Scott dissed the finance minister for not attending, still waiting for someone to diss the Speaker for not appearing.

  37. Soccermom says:

    these committees are bogus. You know the opps go into them with closed minds and a predetermined outcome….

  38. Ontario Girl says:

    When they’re losing the argument on facts and truth they start the personal attacks.

    They need to be pointed to the committee when Liberal Paul Szabo was the chair and he disallowed 12 witnesses to appear for the Govt. side. now thats something to complain about.

  39. wilson says:

    What is so hard for these Opp MPs to understand about cabinet confidential documents not being released, but some of the info in them being compiled and released later.
    Are they just playing stupid or are they really that stupid?

  40. Soccermom says:

    hahahaha, look how red Godin’s face and head is…..desperation is setting in…LOLOL

  41. Soccermom says:

    ewwww Puppet Show Pat Martin……

  42. Bec says:

    Is David McGuinty campaigning for his brother? Go get him, Mr Menzies!

  43. wilson says:

    The corp tax cuts were passed in 2007,
    the cost estimates must have been tabled then

  44. Mary T says:

    Ted is holding his own as the coalition are going around in circle. And sorry, all of Canada does not think the govt is not transparent and good for Ted to bring that up.
    Now bringing up what Page said, and it was mentioned that he had asked for information he didn’t have a right to.’
    Quit saying Canadians think this or think that.
    An election will finally tell those coalition wannabes what Canadians think.
    Polls telll us what Canadians think. Pat Martin trying to interrupt, and Ted M says he thanks the member for anticipating his answer.
    Does anyone have at least one photo of Pat Martin where he isn’t so angry.
    Where does Martin get the idea the govt has to borrow 6 billion/million to pay for the tax cuts. Sorry, it was 2007 that the tax cuts were passed, not 2008, and it was in that budget that was passed.
    This committee is just wanting a do over of the last 5 yrs, but it ain’t going to happen.
    Does Scott really want to go down in history as the mp, because of his loss of leadership to Mr Harper, and his inablility to accept that Conservative Canadians did not want or trust him and has spent a lifetimes since then to get revenge, by finding his nemisis in contempt. Good thing he will never have children to live that down.

  45. wilson says:

    Menzies reminds Brison that he sat in caucus and swore to confidentiality.
    Opps are really off their game today,
    makes yah wonder why these Opp committees even ask for financial docs when they don’t seem smart enough to balance a cheque book.
    McGuinty questions Minister on an article written about his brother’s 2003 (5?) Ontario budget?
    good gawd, there is nothing there for kady and Fife to chirp about.

  46. wilson says:

    ‘This committee is just wanting a do over of the last 5 yrs’

    No kidding! They want to rehash the 2008 budget and update.
    The coalition of losers can’t seem to accept that they lost that election and then lost the do-over coaliton coup too.

    No one watching the Opps today can come away thinking they are here for any other reason than to construct a narrative for their own self interest.
    The Coalition didn’t come back for you.

  47. Mary T says:

    To answer the question re the tax cuts, and where will the money come from to pay for them, Bev saved us 7 million re cutting Kairos funding. cbc is being cut by 1.5%, that will help a lot, and other cuts are coming.

  48. Ontario Girl says:

    After Pat Martin using the term of” pig in a poke which is going to charge them with contempt of parliament”(really…already with more witnesses to come?)Then hes quoting TRUDEAU?
    At least Ted Menzies got in the last word. “Corp Taxes were passed in parliament in 2007(Canadians remember the vote) and we are continuing on that path. It gave 400,000 new jobs, so I’ll let those Canadians be the judge of that.”

    McGuinty bringing up the 2003 Ont Govt and saying the books were fudged? The chair said thats off topic….but menzies answer set him straight. “We faced the biggest recession, since the second world war.”

    Now brisson wants conversations with Menzies Govt. Lawyers tabled? These fools don’t even know that advice from Lawyers is confidential?

    Then Godin says…”Do you believe your Govt. is transparent when all of Canada doesn’t?” Menzies set him straight…”I take offense to that….Canadians DON’Y think that”.
    Looks like this is just an excuse for the committee to abuse their powers, looking for excuses to sing their song of “contempt.” They are not interested in facts through testemony.The only” contempt” I see here, is contempt for this gong show coalition committee.

  49. Liz J says:

    Too bad we couldn’t put together a few clips of the opposition boneheads in action in Committee. Those who don’t pay any attention to such goings on would get a glimpse of them and realize they’re not fit to govern, they’re a disgrace to even be considered a responsible opposition. As a coalition they would be an economic disaster and a national disgrace.

  50. NB Tory Gal says:

    SandyCrux Sandy Crux

    Who holds Liberal MPs & some media to account for libel? http://wp.me/p16LfE-6o4
    21 minutes ago

  51. Michael Harkov says:

    “Do you believe your Govt. is transparent when all of Canada doesn;’t?:”

    What kind of stupid question is that? It’s a “when did you stop beating your wife” kind of question.

    “Do you believe that your Gov.t is honest in their dealings with alien refugees from the planet Alpha Centauri Prime when all of Canada doesn’t?” He might as well have asked that for he sense and logic of such a stupid question.

  52. Richco says:

    I have to add kudos for Menzies here. What a class-act and whipped that opposition like nobody’s business.

    re: Kady in all the shots – I think that’s deliberate – same with Fife. It would be very easy for either of them to be texting the committee members or signaling some how. I see Kady’s into the Red Bull again.

    I think that Scott Reid (our guy) made an important distinction in a question/comment about the what the speaker’s ruling said about being in “breach” and being in “contempt”. Neither of which has been determined yet.

    Also, towards the end of Ted Menzie’s time at committee Pat Martin asked a question
    that included wording that was something like “…when this committee finds your government in contempt of Parliament”(para-phrasing).

    Is Pat Martin psychic? Did he predict what the committee was going to rule – how does he know – has there been a secret meeting of the Coalition of Losers that have already decided amongst their coalition what the verdict will be? Seems to me if I was a CPC oppo. or on the government side I’d be ramping up some questions and do some serious damage to prove just how the Coalition is trying to pull one over on Canadians this time……because by that one question Martin has let the Lib/NDP/Bloc secret out of the bag.

  53. Michael Harkov says:

    Tory Gal and anyone else that can answer – does a parliamentry committee carry the same type of immunity that MPs enjoy being in the House of Commons?

  54. wilson says:

    Haha, CTV article shut down comments after allowing only 18.
    Check out the comments!
    It appears more Canadians are watching kangaroo court than the media anticipated, eh.

    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110317/contempt-hearing-110317/

  55. Ontario Girl says:

    does a parliamentry committee carry the same type of immunity that MPs enjoy being in the House of Commons?

    I don’t think so because they said Pat Martin “Wasn’t sworn in” just there for speaking not voting .So if they are sworn in, what for?I believe what is said can’t be used in court though…remember Mulroney?

    On our LOCAL news on this ….they showed Pat Martin packing his binder from the Govt. under his arm and saying..”This Govt. is getting closer and closer to Contempt of Parliament”. Then the announcer went on to say…”The Govt. DUMPED 1000 pages onto the committee.” That was it.

  56. MadMacs of Bytown says:

    Heads-up

    Tim Hudak on Michael Harris Live now on http://www.cfra.com

  57. wilson says:

    It appears that witnesses are held to a much higher standard than committee MPS, as far as making misleading statements.
    The Opps are simply using this committee to make statements,
    not ask questions that are relate to the motion that created this spectacle.

  58. Ontario Girl says:

    And CBC is salivating on the committee getting at Bev Oda tomorrow. It seems to be a fore gone conclusion to them, that” the Govt. will be in held in contempt ,which makes for interesting times next week ” says (Julie Van Dusen).

  59. Mary T says:

    Did the liberals ever table the exact, to the penny, costs of Kyoto, Kelowna Accord, gun registry, for 30 yrs into the future. If they did I can’t find them.
    I think this whole committee should be stopped or cancelled or called into contempt, for the numerous times the opposition has referred to when we find you in contempt. Not, if this committee, or what if we find contempt. It is a done deal, so why spend 10,000/sitting with different witnesses, and waste more money.
    Document dump, photo op, with comments like that to the media, who really is showing contempt for the canadian taxpayer.
    Question, with obvious hate for PMSH, by Pat Martin, Scott, and a couple of others on the committee, if re-elected and we get a 10-15 seat majority, how many of them woud resign. And if iggy loses the election would he resign his seat, and would a conservative be elected in the by-elections.
    Minority or majority, the next Speaker must be a conservative, to bring back some decorum to QP.

  60. Lorraine says:

    I truly believe that if citizens represented by the dishonest and over the top blatant partisans such as Scott Brison and Pat Martin were watching this gong show kangaroo court they would distance themselves from ever ever saying they voted for them.

    What a monumental abuse of our system not to mention it probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in civil servant time to comply and then comply again and again compiling information that these horrible people did not really even want to see.

    Does the Liberal speaker have any say over this committee or have the kangaroos taken over the farm?

    • Joanne says:

      What a monumental abuse of our system not to mention it probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in civil servant time to comply and then comply again and again compiling information that these horrible people did not really even want to see.

      Yeah I think anyone tuning into that gong show would be dismayed by the goings-on there. Nobody’s looking like a saint but the coalition is very transparent in their motives. It isn’t about ‘democracy’. It’s about political grandstanding and going through the motions until they get their chance to take down the government

  61. NB Tory Gal says:

    stephen_taylor Stephen Taylor
    OMG http://www.data.gc.ca exists!
    6 minutes ago

  62. Ontario Girl says:

    Next witness is Ned Franks as an individual. I saw this guy on CBC running down the Govt. last week. Should be interesting.Listen closely.

  63. NB Tory Gal says:

    Ned Franks…playing right into this committee’s hands…he will rubber stamp anything the naysayers on this committee say…. he is giving the committee too much power…

  64. NB Tory Gal says:

    Joanne I am not sure of what you are referring to…regarding implications…

    • Joanne says:

      Joanne I am not sure of what you are referring to…regarding implications

      I meant your 1:39 pm comment.

  65. Mary T says:

    And he will be there tomorrow re Bev. But he has mentioned 8 cases of contempt, so there goes it has never happened before.
    Ted L set Pat Martin straight re his stmt the Library was not open to all until Trudeau. Wrong. If he appears this pm he will be asked to withdraw his stmt.
    Re tomorrow, is there any copy of said NOT document, signed without that word in it. If not, it was not altered and all signed it with that word in it.
    And will the person that put the NOT in it come fwd tomorrow or will Bev take the fall for him.
    Notice that the professor mentioned altering documents could be contempt.

  66. Ontario Girl says:

    Here we go. Ned Franks to agree with the SPEAKER and the coalition. How precious. He even uses Pat Martins “Pig in a poke”phrase. I see NOW Brison wants to hear an ELABORATION on his answer? He didn’t want any ELABORATION on any of the witnesses answers from the Govt.

  67. NB Tory Gal says:

    This guy is so against this government one would think that this is pointless to hear from him…his views partisan…he could not step out of the circle of partisanship to save his soul…
    Now the committee almost begging him to tell them what to do…

  68. Mary T says:

    Kady has moved on from Red Bull but is sure turning up her nose frequently, and notice her pink lips. lol.
    Can’t decide who is leading who, Scott or the professor.
    Regardless, the decision is made and contempt will be found and it will backfire big time on the coalition.
    Is that bloc member trying to find a way out by asking what options they have other than contempt .
    Prof says it would take the committee till July to read the additional info presented and they could come back with progress has been made with no finding of contempt,
    oh, so sad, all costs for quebec are not answered. Is that the only province in Canada.

  69. Ontario Girl says:

    Block asks ..”If we find this Govt. in contempt, what would be the next steps?” This flake says…”You wouldn’t want to put a whole Govt. in JAIL” Then I heard Godin say…”There’s lots in there now”. Ned Franks laughed and thought that was so funny.
    This guy is there for the coalition. he said “to look through all the Govt. documents would take till July.”(Godin is repeating the JULY thing now) Then he gives advice on what to do if they want to be “Nasty”.
    We know what they will do….now they have to figure out how to do it because they are so stupid.

  70. Ontario Girl says:

    Notice how they arn’t blowing steam out of their heads with this guy? The Govt. side asked Franks if there are any articles that he has written on this subject, and he said NONE. So the Govt. can’t even go back to see what he has ever said previously on this ,say when Martin and Chretian were the Govt.
    This guy was sent over, probably, by the CBC. Amazing that McGuinty lets this guy talk. SPEECHS now, to get THEIR smears in for tonight media headlines.

  71. NB Tory Gal says:

    Ontario Girl..McGuinty is ecstatic that this guy is the witness..he is on their side…he was just found wanting though in answering a conservative question…he finally said it was not his job to answer something like this…but…he made sure he got his digs in…i am not in agreement with the budget…earlier on he said how wonderful the parliamentary budget officer is… this committee to me is a sham…should not have been called because it is the coalition playing “games” to get where they want to be…
    But… I need to understand why our government withheld documents…if they did….because i know for sure that opposition seizes on everything and makes a big mountain about it…
    It is not this job for the committee to get together with others and decide what a cabinet confidence is… in my opinion…. it is on a basis to basis situation…when info comes up that should not be shared…

  72. NB Tory Gal says:

    correction – the witness said he was not in agreement with the government and very troubled by them…

  73. Ontario Girl says:

    Not sure what good this guy is. He’s speaking about what should be done with rules that arn’t there NOW. He’s testifying on what he wants to see in the future. Whats the sense of that? They should be talking about rules of today. This is stupid.This guy will just hurt the Govt. side and thats why he’s there. What makes him an EXPERT? There’s his pig in a poke again. Godin says its a pig in a bag. how nice.

  74. Mary T says:

    It is obvious the committee will not read the binder of info, or even browse thru it.
    This committee would have demanded that all our plans for combat during the world wars.
    Oh, he mentions that there are other provinces and territories and thank god quebec is still part of Canada.
    Now he says that costs to all provinces and municipalities should be included in bills.
    David M talking now and for the first time Scott has a twisted smile on his face.
    Great comment by our guy re their minds are made up and they wont have time to study the new info. It was the motion that said info be presented in such a short time.
    Really he asks, why are we here if the liberals have already made up their mind.
    If any witness if found in contempt for not appearing, it better include the Speaker.
    I wonder if he is watching this gong show, and will he tell the libs, no motion of no confidence will be allowed, and no contempt should be found.
    I don’t think Scott had any idea of the problems he would cause for the opposition by his smart ass motion. It is obvious he hasn’t got a clue.

  75. Liz J says:

    Hell they had the Conservative government guilty before their “trial”, that’s how Kangaroo courts operate. It is a gong show, it’s the closest they can get to power. If the people are paying attention to their antics it’s all the power they’ll ever have.

    Still can’t see the benefit of an election for the NDP and Jack Layton unless he’s planning his exit from politics.

  76. Bec says:

    How gleeful those wee minded Opps are when they have a like-minded panelist, hey?
    It’s truely an abysmal display of partisan pap!

  77. Ontario Girl says:

    NB Tory Girl
    I need to understand why our government withheld documents…if they did….because i know for sure that opposition seizes on everything and makes a big mountain about it…

    Its the cabinet confidence documents and documents of their Lawyers and themselves, like Ted Menzies and his Lawyers converstions and advice. Proux wanted them to table it this morning. Its out of control. They just want the Govt. to deny them , what they have no business having, so they can say…”They didn’t give us what we wanted”.

  78. wilson says:

    If you remove all the Liberal partisanship and story telling from Franks,
    he says Parliament needs to change the rules on info gathered for committees and define what is cabinet confidence……… in other words, not spoken by the biggest coalition cheerleader in 2008, ever,
    is that the government followed the rules set out in parliament, and the rules needs to change.

  79. wilson says:

    ‘It is obvious the committee will not read the binder of info’

    MaryT, even if they did read it, they do not have a flaming clue how to interpret the financial information.
    It appears to me, this whole event was orchestrated by Opps and Kevin Page,
    due to the specificity of info required in the motion.
    Specifics that the Opps MPs have no idea what the info means.

    What is obvious here, is that committees from the beginning of time have HAD TO trust the info given to them by the bureaucrats, is trustworthy.
    Ministers ask,
    bureaucrats and civil servants provide the info to committee.

    If this government, in any way, was hampering info from getting to committees,
    brown envelopes would be flying!

  80. Ontario Girl says:

    CPAC has this Donna Dasko on in this intermission…equal voices for more women in Parliament. She says Canada stands 57th and it is a disgrace. The CPC cabinet woman arranged the day and then she says..”BUT she is NOT here”.

    What woman would want to be in parliament by the way they treat Conservative women. Wait till this crew get at Bev Oda tomorrow. I hope all these women on there right now, watch that, and they will know why.Doubt they will though.

  81. Mary T says:

    Did the liberal table documents re Kyoto, or the cancellation of the helicopters or wage and price controls and so many other examples.
    This coalition has spent 5 years trying to find the government guilty of not following rules that were not in place. In and out is an example, saying the govt committed fraud or something and the PM during that campaign, and hence, the govt was Paul Martin. How can the opposition continue to use the govt of Canada, Harper govt, Harper regime, when referring to the in and out. Liberals were in govt for that election. It was the result of that election that gave us PMSH.
    During the last couple of days said coalition have asked questions about stuff they never requested.
    And what does something the ONt govt did in 2003 have to do with anything.
    I hope Bev has a lot of support on her side tomorrow, she will need it.
    I will pray for her, considering this prof will be there also.
    What makes him an expert, cause he worked for liberals 40 years ago and teaches political science or something. He wrote a report 40 yrs ago and dosen’t realize things have changed.
    Let’s all pray for Bev before she is burned at the stake.

  82. NB Tory Gal says:

    …right on Mary…I am getting on that now…..re Bev… sending positive thoughts to waft about in the universe…..and beam back down on her when she allows access :-)

  83. wilson says:

    Bev Oda and which ever Minister Kangaroo court finds in contempt,
    can challenge the Parliamentary decision in the Supreme Court, on a Charter challenge as well as misuse of privilege.

  84. wilson says:

    One thing I do agree with Franks on, to some degree, is that the PBO should review the costs of legislation, tho I think that should be done once a bill passes to the Senate.
    By that time, the financial info is very accurate, compared to when the bill is first introduced.

    • Joanne says:

      There were a few worthwhile comments from Ned Franks; like when he noted how `partisan`David McGuinty was acting.

  85. wilson says:

    Wow, what just happened? sounds like Coalition brought in a motion not to allow any of this testimony into the committee report, and something about trying to remove the media… but the media now know

  86. Ontario Girl says:

    Lewinski really upset. The Coalition don’t want testamony to go out to the media or public. They don’t want testamony into the record.They have a motion to VOTE on(Thats why Martin wasn’t there for this last round with Franks)the Govt. NOW with nothing else.

  87. NB Tory Gal says:

    Joanne..it is showing that the government has access…offers access… as far as I understand it… implications…good….but interpretations of opposition …bad…

  88. Richco says:

    Professor Ned Franks……we’re heard from him before….resident “liberal” expert on just about anything I guess – did he not quip about being from Kingston too – likely The Speaker’s fishing buddy.

    http://www.news889.com/news/national/article/195100–democracy-double-harper-government-takes-twin-blows-for-defying-parliament

  89. Ontario Girl says:

    Whatever happened it was not on camera until Tom Lewisky came on the TV. The coalition want to vote on a motion to not include testamony we have heard so far. Then Godin said not to assume anything before they vote. Then Lewisky said you were all in agreement to this when we wen’t in the public eye.They don’t want the testamony to go out to the media. This is ugly.

  90. Michael Harkov says:

    Mr. Lewisky is proving what a bloody sham and farce this whole committee is right now. Wow.

    • Joanne says:

      Yes Tom Lukiwsk pointed out the lack of democracy concerning a committee that had already determined the outcome before the beginning.

      What this means is that we need an election to get that committee majority!!

      All hand on deck once the writ is dropped.

  91. frmgrl says:

    Ned Franks,he was a few weeks ago on the Roy Green show with the female guest host talking about Bev Oda. Both the host and Professor were laughing about what could happen to Bev re-jail etc. He made it sound like she was a common criminal. It was disgusting to say the least. He turned me off right then and there. It was totally obvious he is a Liberal hack. No objectivity whatsoever.

  92. Michael Harkov says:

    Wow, it is obvious the Opposition has only one conclusion in mind, regardless what testimony there is. They are not interested in what witnesses are saying, now they want to cover up their testimony because they are not getting what they want. This whole thing orchestrated by the Opposition has been for nothing. The Oppostion needs to wear this big time, particularly the Liberals participating who don’t care about what is right, but only to try and score cheap political shots. This is an embarrassment.

  93. Ontario Girl says:

    If you noticed, at the end of the committee, the opposition put the testamony as a side piece of legislation. The chair said…”This is very unusual not to have the testamony include WITH the motion document.” But he did tabled it separate because it was after the fact. The MOTION is just two pages done up (Probably last month)that I bet will be all the Liberal Media will be showing the public. Who will hunt down the binder of testamony? No one.
    Sandy will have to do a side note of this shananigan on her post from earlier today.

    WOW…ethics and democracy Coalition style.

  94. Sandy says:

    All hands on deck. I hear you!!! I don’t feel like being there but I cannot sit idly by without my two cents worth.

    But, remember guys, to leave comments on as many BT sites as you have time for because comments get picked up by search engines as well as post titles. Keep in mind also, how the search engines work. Post titles first, then our tags.

    So, repeat the main points in every one of your comments. For example, regarding today, start off with “The parliamentary committee on…… and so and so said.” That’s the magic of Google. It trolls for tags in your comments, our posts and our URLs.

    Do the same at Liberal and media sites too. It’s better than even a blogburst, its bombardment — and therein lies the power of the Internet and Social Media.

    • Joanne says:

      So, repeat the main points in every one of your comments. For example, regarding today, start off with “The parliamentary committee on…… and so and so said.” That’s the magic of Google. It trolls for tags in your comments, our posts and our URLs.

      Do the same at Liberal and media sites too. It’s better than even a blogburst, its bombardment — and therein lies the power of the Internet and Social Media.

      That’s great advice Sandy. And I don’t mind readers using the same comment they wrote on other blogs.

  95. Ontario Girl says:

    Re: Katy CBC’s twitter….NO…Tom Lewisky would like the testamony from WITNESSES to be SEEN….not JUST the coalition’s 2 page motion WITHOUT the testamony.
    Notice the path that will be taken by the media already ,right on cue from the coalition…..followed up by CBC Katy.

  96. Ruth says:

    Tom said last night that this contempt plan was all cut and dried before they ever started. Guess he was right on that. I’m hoping a few of these jokers don’t get re-elected. Is there anyone good running against Pat Martin.

  97. wilson says:

    All hands on deck, indeed.
    Also a good idea to comment in articles from smaller anti-con papers, Winnipeg Free Press etc. G&M/CBC anti-con commentors swarm, so you have to post your comment quite a few times, as your comment gets lost in the hundreds of comments per minute.
    Posting a link to Bloggingtories along with your comment , in anti-con papers too, try to get undecideds reading the fantastic posts on BT.

  98. Mary T says:

    After this I would hope that Bev Oda refuses to appear tomorrow on the grounds the decision has already been made.

    • Joanne says:

      After this I would hope that Bev Oda refuses to appear tomorrow on the grounds the decision has already been made

      That’s right. In the interest of saving taxpayer $$$

  99. Ontario Girl says:

    No one wants to hear CBC Julie Van Dusen on this…she never said a WORD about what just happened. She is talking about tomorrow with Bev Oda being found in contempt and the Govt. being found in contempt today.

    I know why they didn’t go ahead with Jason Kenny on that UGENT committee Wed night(They cancelled checking out the CBC) Because the Govt. had a Liberal, an NDP and a BLOCK scheduled to ask questions of THEM using parliament for fund raising. Murphy, Duncan and the block person.

    • Joanne says:

      I think we should find MSM in contempt – especially the CBC for lack of transparency regarding Access to Information. Let’s have our own committee hearing and predetermine the outcome.

  100. Ruth says:

    I agree Mary T…..I hope Bev Oda refuses to appear tomorrow also. I’m sure she could go shopping or something more fun than that sideshow.

  101. Sandy says:

    Mary T said “After this I would hope that Bev Oda refuses to appear tomorrow on the grounds the decision has already been made.” I agree 100%. However, the Speaker and the Liberal majority on the committee would likely say she was in further contempt for not appearing. And, the Liberals and some of their media cohorts call that democracy?

  102. Ontario Girl says:

    Bev Oda should do like “I Ruby” did and bring a Lawyer with her.better yet, i would just sue the lot of them NOW and to heck with the committee.But then again, if something is in the courts your guilty with this bunch of corrupt has been losers.

  103. wilson says:

    The Harper Government’s Accountability Act was brought to Parliament to prevent another scandal, like the Liberal’s Adscam…… and it’s working, and somehow this too is a scandal.

    Yes, Iffy says it’s another Harper scandal that the FAA works.
    Oh, and how is that ethics case going, with Liberal MP Derek Lee allegedly lobbying govt pals on behalf of his other employer, a law firm?

    Why haven’t the media been following THAT possible breach of ethics…….just kidding, as if they would, eh.

  104. Richco says:

    I still don’t believe we’ll get to an election because I don’t believe the PM has played all the cards in his hand on this issue yet.

    • Joanne says:

      I still don’t believe we’ll get to an election because I don’t believe the PM has played all the cards in his hand on this issue yet.

      What if there were a sweet pill instead of a poison pill? What if Flaherty and the Quebec gov’t finally struck an agreement about HST? What would the Bloc do then?

  105. Sandy says:

    April 18th! SunTV!

  106. Ruth says:

    I’ve decided that we need the election now and a lot of MP’s won’t get their pensions. Serves them right!!

  107. frmgrl says:

    I’ve decided that we need the election now and a lot of MP’s won’t get their pensions. Serves them right!!

    I agree,Ruth. A whole lot of them need to be cleared out! I agree with Joanne that all hands should be on deck. We need a Conservative majority to bring some sanity back to parliament.

  108. Ontario Girl says:

    Here’s something that has been missing…

    What happened to Kevin Pages life jacket the committee were begging for yesterday? He was supposed to do checkmarks or a “small” report on the info from the Govt. Couldn’t find anything WRONG with it??

    • Joanne says:

      From what I hear Kevin Page said 65% of what the opps asked for is missing.

      Kevin Page gets through documents in one day – something that Ned Franks says would take til July!

  109. Richco says:

    Joanne – right! I think there’s plenty Harper’s got left that doesn’t give us an election.
    It makes no economic sense. Not for the country, province, or for manpower or volunteers. I’ve heard people tell me that if there’s a federal election they’d rather donate to our federal MP than to provincial campaigns. For too many they can’t afford both. Same with volunteers, etc.

  110. Ruth says:

    I like Tom Lukiwski….he is a great guy. I would be proud to have him for my MP.

    • Joanne says:

      Lukiwski says Pat Martin should be careful about calling Bev Oda a liar outside of Parliament.

  111. maz2 says:

    “Short message: “Fire socialists wherever they are found.”

    “The Celtic Tiger lives.

    Pay attention to what Harper is trying to tell you, folks because he knows this stuff. Cheap taxes for industry means jobs — lot’s of them.

    These are the people that create them.”

    http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/

  112. Dirt says:

    Personally I believe this is just a gong show, they’ve already made up their partisan minds. However those accused of wrong doing can clear their names through real Judges and that could have consequences for those partaking of this witch-hunt.

  113. Ontario Girl says:

    Bev Oda will show up at committee tomorrow as well as the CITA PRESIDENT.P&P Barton had Tom Lewisky, McGinty and Pat Martin on. You know the rest. Tom sat and listened to the two of them….his turn came and it was 10 seconds then he was blasted from all corners. Pat Martin wants to know if the person who falsified a Govt. Document will be on. Yawn.
    Now Greg Weston is on the other scandal du jour…”there goes another one of PM Harpers staffers under the bus.”Oh man…I won’t repeat the rest. REGEIME again.

    This makes me sick. The chief is next on water….nope…now Stockwell Day.
    No more updates.

  114. Michael Harkov says:

    Kevin Page gets through documents in one day – something that Ned Franks says would take til July!

    Yeah, I thought that was pretty strang, too. Who could possibly read, digest, and report on all that in only one day?

    Lukiwski says Pat Martin should be careful about calling Bev Oda a liar outside of Parliament.

    He is getting worse all of the time. One day…..one day Pat Martin will go too far.

  115. maz2 says:

    Socialist “fired”.

    …-

    “Toronto Housing CEO Nakamura fired

    Toronto Star – Robyn Doolittle – ‎49 minutes ago‎

    Her ousting comes one week after Nakamura told Mayor Rob Ford she had no intention of stepping aside as head of the embattled housing agency.”

  116. Ontario Girl says:

    Stockwell Day is making an announcement on a policy for access to information..and Barton says…”Isn’t that ironic after what we are hearing today from the committee?” Stockwell said…” Capp said this was never asked for in the Chretian Govt.” God…Barton says…”On your leaving the Govt., people remember you on a jet ski. “Stockwell said…” well people remember Trudeau doing a piroet behind the Queen and riding down a runway”.Then that twit asks…”Isn’t your party moving away from your base and spending too much time in Ontario?”AND “we might be into an election next week. “Stockwell said…” We don’t want an election. We are in this for the economy”. Twit bubble head says…”We will see”. What a RUDE person she is. Like a puffed up peacock. I’d like to see her knocked down a few pegs.

  117. Sammy says:

    If you want to see pure Cons HATE,watch the little back-and-forth between Roger Smith and Tim Powers tonite.Smith is LIVID that Tim sets him straight on the msm hyping the election..he is speaking thryu gritted teeth.OMG Smith is WAY over the top tonite.

  118. Richco says:

    BREAKING – GLOBAL NEWS – Opposition Parties Find Government in Contempt of Parliament

  119. Richco says:

    And this – I’m betting that this draft report was done days ago by the coalition

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-government-in-contempt-of-parliament-draft-report-says/article1946464/

  120. Mary T says:

    My wish, for Bev to sue Pat Martin and others, and have the guy deliver the summons to him while on air with Evan. Walk right up to him and serve him.
    Heard the new gal for SunTv on Alder, and what a refreshing voice to hear first thing in the morning.
    I think the budget will have a lot of goodies in it for ordinary Canadians, and a lot of cuts to ngos and special interest groups. (I can dream, cbc is facing 1.5% cut)
    There is no way the coalition can vote for the budget or present a no confidence vote as it would be backing down.
    Would love to hear the election results when they come on, liberals wiped out in nfld, and atlantic provinces, and quebec. Iggy fighting to retain his seat.
    Are bloggers banned from posting results before the polls close in all Provinces.

  121. Michael Harkov says:

    HTF can this draft report be finished before even hearing from everyone? Obviously there in an agenda at play here. Now wonder the Opposition on the committee wanted to supress testimony. What a farce.

    I’m so f****** sick of this BS. SUN TV faster please. And election NOW.

  122. Mary T says:

    What breaking news, we knew it before the committee even met. This will not get iggy elected, even to lead a coalition. Could backfire big time. Too bad someone doesn’t take Barton to task and ask her about the cbc refusing ATI requests.
    The forbidden testimony will get out on the blogs and into the media somehow.
    I wonder when Scott wrote his motion, seconded by David M, probably last November.

  123. wilson says:

    Very strange that the Liberals do not want any testimony, that would include Kevin Page’s testimony and report, attached to the report for the public record.
    And they hussled out the media to table that motion, but it didn’t work, media has made the motion public.

    But the motion hasn’t been voted on yet, and the Bloc or NDP, I don’t know which, said they want an amendment on that exclusion.

  124. Mary T says:

    I predict a lot of long time employees in govt depts will soon see pink slips or applications for promotions denied. I wonder if the coalition has considered the aftereffects of their antics. How safe is Scott’s seat. I think he was elected the same way Obama was, people didn’t want to be called racist or homophopic. Will it work again.

  125. Ontario Girl says:

    So if the Govt. is ” found in contempt” as the media are reporting ,before we who watched the committee today, didn’t see the vote on??…What is the PUNISHMENT from these cowards?Do the media have that information??

    I am still in SHOCK at Rosemary Barton telling MP Stockwell Day that”Canadians will remember him as that guy on a ski-doo.”
    Really…I find that so hurtful, no matter how partisan someone is.

  126. Bruce says:

    UN Security Council approves Libya “no fly zone” and “any appropriate measures necessary”

  127. wilson says:

    I’m done with NNW. Going there just feeds the Liberal media.

    And in news that matters :

    MacKay visits troops, offers new details of Afghan training mission
    http://www.canada.com/news/MacKay+visits+troops+offers+details+Afghan+mission/4457303/story.html

    • Joanne says:

      I’m done with NNW. Going there just feeds the Liberal media.

      Yeah actually Twitter is pretty good. Just follow news sources you trust. (O.k. that’s a problem I agree)

  128. Bubba Brown says:

    I have heard some good speeches from PM Stephen Harper, this is GOLD!
    The piss ants of Liberal-la-la Committee will be shaking in their boots, they have no answer for this. As Real as it gets! PM Harper Rocks!
    http://conservativereporter.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/pm-talks-the-next-phase-of-the-economic-action-plan/

  129. Ontario Girl says:

    Montey Solberg tonight on Liberal CBC P&P really put those piglets in their place.He was up against slow drawling speaking Peggy Nash(NDP) and Liberal a$$ Alfred Apps. Montey said he “doesn’t take any lessons from Liberals”. He said the committee had been set out in advance for their own coalition agendas to find contempt. YET the Coalition have kept the govt. in power since 2006…so if this Govt. is so bad why didn’t they vote them down? He tells everyone to watch the committee in action. Its out there in the public now. He was sooo good tonight on CBC . Worth watching in their video vault.Thumbs up to Monty.

  130. Bruce says:

    Update at 7:02 p.m. ET: Egypt is shipping weapons and ammunition to Libyan rebels, the Wall Street Journal is reporting, citing U.S. and rebel officials.

    The shipments, mostly assault rifles and ammunition, are apparently the first known instances of an outside government arming the rebels, who have been losing ground to Moammar Gadhafi’s forces.

    The Journal says the shipments are occurring with the knowledge of the Obama administration.

    Update at 6:53 p.m. ET: British and French warplanes could make initial air raids on Libyan positions as early as Friday, the BBC reports, citing senior U.N. sources. Arab allies might provide logistical support.

  131. Ontario Girl says:

    Bubba Brown
    PM Harper Rocks!

    Read PM Harpers speech ,and after listening to those low life freaks in the coalition committee, we can thank the lord we have Prime Minister Stephen Harper.He is running the country and he has these creeps of nature to contend with.Time to rid our Canada of those maggots. No other word can ever justify what I witnesses today. The media is dispicable alonf with the coalition. I am proud of our Prime Minister. Time for an election and a majority Govt. to rid ourselves of the coalition Power Seekers.
    Thanks for the link.

  132. greenleaf says:

    Our Prime Minister’s speech was terrific, I linked it to Facebook and forwarded to as many contacts as I could, if everyone does that, it could cover Canada and around the world very quickly. Forget about the low life opp’s!

  133. wilson says:

    Is there a video link to PMSHs speech?
    A picture is worth a thousand words.

  134. paulsstuff says:

    ” I linked it to Facebook and forwarded to as many contacts as I could, ”

    I admit to being computer illiterate. How do I do that? I’m already on Facebook.

  135. NB Tory Gal says:

    Paulsstuff…take my link and post it on facebook…

    http://conservativereporter.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/pm-talks-the-next-phase-of-the-economic-action-plan/

    –memorize it…the parts you think are important…can be great talking and convincing points… —

  136. maz2 says:

    Where’s MIA Liberal IggyRae*?

    “Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya ‘no-fly’ mission
    CTV.ca”

    “Tories table detailed F-35 cost breakdown
    Montreal Gazette”

    http://news.google.ca/

    *MIA Liberal IggyRae:

    “Bob Rae blasts Harper ‘jihadis'”

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2011/02/24/17396346.html

  137. NB Tory Gal says:

    and paulsstuff…you can watch the prime minister’s website
    a video of his speech may appear in the next few days…

    http://pm.gc.ca/eng/index.asp

  138. paulsstuff says:

    So I copy and paste on facebook and then click share? I think I did it right.

  139. paulsstuff says:

    Gotta agree with someone on here earlier. No more NNW for me. Smells more and more like a Liberal front like that organization putting out Hudak attack ads.

  140. paulsstuff says:

    By the way, Julian Fantino was in Ajax this week. While sitting in the front row, my 91 year old mother ended up sitting right next to Fantino while he waited to get up and speak. Totally classy guy. Had my mom laughing. Chris Alexander was there and I can safely say Mark Holland is in serious trouble in the election. Dean Del Mastro also attended. Great guy, well spoken and down to earth.

  141. NB Tory Gal says:

    ….and Joanne… we do not really need this – some conservative bloggers are going very negative… about what the conservatives should be doing to communicate…. as Alberta Girl and I agreed upon the other day…

    • Joanne says:

      NB Tory Gal at 8:31 pm – It’s a double-edged sword. If anyone from the Tory war room is snooping around they may learn something. On the other hand it does hurt in terms of friendly fire.

      My preference is that if we’re going to an election please communicate your frustrations directly to the party rather than on your blog. But that is my own opinion.

  142. NB Tory Gal says:

    paulsstuff…facebook shares just go to your profile page… if you are on someone else’s page and you like what they have put…you press the share button and it goes to your profile page….but you putting one up is good…others will see it and share it along…

    win/win

    in a few days the video will be around of that speech….

  143. Jen says:

    “this is the last ‘free’ add you are going to get, the next one you will have to pay for it”
    said Don Martin yesterday.

    ‘FREE’ ad- paid for by the Taxpayers, you mean.

    I want to know how much it is costing taypayers to run liberal attack ads on CBC CTV GlOBAL?

    • Joanne says:

      I want to know how much it is costing taypayers to run liberal attack ads on CBC CTV GlOBAL?

      It’s costing the taxpayers more for the CBC to run those Liberal attack ads as ‘earned media’.

  144. Jen says:

    I meant FREE ‘AD’ -not ADD

  145. NB Tory Gal says:

    ..here are some pictures for you paulsstuff…a link to them anyhow… of Julian Fantino and his speech of the other night…

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=136153256453627&set=a.136152433120376.26432.100001768612111&theater

    these are good too…and contain other events
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=131650823570537&set=a.118085404927079.18056.100001768612111&theater

  146. NB Tory Gal says:

    My preference is that if we’re going to an election please communicate your frustrations directly to the party rather than on your blog. But that is my own opinion.

    I am with you on the above statement…. entirely… that is the best thing to do ( my opinion )

  147. ed says:

    “Opposition Parties Find Government in Contempt of Parliament”

    What a farce!! I say: “Canadians find the opposition parties in contempt of Parliament due to their juvenile behaviour for too many years.” As Canadians, we take no lessons from “SCUMBAGS.”

  148. wilson says:

    Oh, maybe this is why Minister McKay is in Afghanistan,
    Canada is now fighting in 2 wars.

    Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya ‘no-fly’ mission

    …The Canadian government has made the decision late today that Canada will send six CF-18 fighter jets to join the Americans, the British and the French and other countries that will participate in imposing a no-fly zone,”
    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110317/cf-libya-canada/

    • Joanne says:

      Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya ‘no-fly’ mission

      Mmm.. This could work in our favour.

  149. Sammy says:

    Someone wondered about Roger Smith’s political leanings..reading his wikipedia bio,it tells us,he is married to Denise Chong..wait for it..’former adviser to our PET!’..gee,that’s not much of a tip-off to how he leans.
    Git yer barf-buckets out for At Issue..Ditchburn will be on.

  150. Ontario Girl says:

    The Prime Minister’s speech link….got a call from the CPC…gave a donation and also to my local candidate…watching Roger Smith, Owliver and G&M Harper hater Simpson was all i needed…..Mansbridge is wetting his pants tonight over Canada sending 6 air jets…The panel of experts will spin it all for us courtesy of taxpayer funder CBC…Link of PM Harpers speech.
    http://conservativereporter.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/pm-talks-the-next-phase-of-the-economic-action-plan/

  151. ed says:

    “What if there were a sweet pill instead of a poison pill? What if Flaherty and the Quebec gov’t finally struck an agreement about HST? What would the Bloc do then?”

    Ask for more. It’s bad enough, as Canadian taxpayers, we place some of our hard earned cash into the hands of a separatist party. As well, we watch as our tax money is wasted on these shallow, unnecessary committees that result from Liberal/NDP false, superficial allegations.

  152. Ontario Girl says:

    Jen…this is the last ‘free’ ad you are going to get, the next one you will have to pay for it”

    I heard that one yesterday from Rosemary Barton on CBC. Anyone counting? I think they have to wait for the committee tomorrow to call her in contempt RE the fraud first, before they run their slander ad.

  153. paulsstuff says:

    “NB Tory Gal at 8:31 pm – It’s a double-edged sword. If anyone from the Tory war room is snooping around they may learn something. On the other hand it does hurt in terms of friendly fire.”

    Which is the reason I do it Joanne. These blogs are read daily by the Conservative communications department. When the government was getting slammed over the cost of new prisons they struggled to get the proper message out. I posted some talking points on my blog on the issue, such as the fact Canada’s population has risen by 10 million people in the last 10-12 years. Therefore, regardless of a lower crime rate, the population increase alone would make a need for new prisons. The next day I was happy to hear Geoff Norquay repeat that.

    I’ve also noticed them quoting points made by other Blogging Tories including yourself and many of the people posting hear. Alberta Aardvark is a source of inspiration, with some of his posts making there way onto Adler, Rutherford, and Arlene Bynon.

    Strenght in numbers is always a good thing.

    • Joanne says:

      I’ve also noticed them quoting points made by other Blogging Tories including yourself and many of the people posting hear. Alberta Aardvark is a source of inspiration, with some of his posts making there way onto Adler, Rutherford, and Arlene Bynon.

      Yeah, it would just be nice to get some recognition. Ours is but a selfless toil. ;)

  154. paulsstuff says:

    strength

  155. ed says:

    “OT/SeemsAccording to Stephen Taylor tweet Andre Arthur is leaving the door open to run for the CPC.”

    Andre is a good guy, kind of like a French version of Lowell Green. I think he’d be an asset for the Conservatives, especially in Quebec where he is well known and liked by many.

  156. NB Tory Gal says:

    …paulsstuff…I appreciate your words of explanation…had not thought of that…thought the pmo and mp’s and others were all too busy and thought of bloggers as a bit of a joke….

  157. Sammy says:

    At Issue panel sees the stupid comittee hearings as:
    Chantal- ‘a charade’..and a ‘paper war’
    Ditchburn: ‘the opposition lost credibility’
    Coyne thinks the NDP will support the Gov’t..no election.
    Chantal says yes to election..libs not doing well,ndp think they will score some points.
    Ditchburn thinks dippers will go.
    Coyne thinks latest dipper ads lean toward supporting gov.as Layton even mentions that his Dad was a Cons in the ad.

    • Joanne says:

      My take on the At Issue gang was that they all thought the Coalition blew it. (I.e. too blatantly partisan)

  158. Sammy says:

    BTW,any of you aware that the House in US voted today to DEFUND NPR! Lord Almighty,could we get a vote after the Cons win a majority,to defund the damn cbc??

  159. Sammy says:

    yup Jo,that was my take to..also the absolute stupidity to be wasting time/money and air-time (and such a load of hot air)..when so many horrific tragedies going on in the world.It just makes this all so ‘small’ and petty,and there is something just filthy about taking precious attention away from our ‘world friends’ in so much need.

  160. ed says:

    O/T:
    Feds Open Up Data
    Josh Pringle
    Thursday, March 17, 2011

    The Federal Government is opening up 10 government departments.

    “A new open-data project will see data from departments available to search online at data.gc.ca.

    Treasury Board President Stockwell Day says 260-thousand data sets is now more readily available.

    The information includes processing times for citizenship applications, topographic mps and greenhouse gas emissions will be available for one year.

    Officials hope to add more data and include all federal departments in the future.”

    http://www.cfra.com/

  161. ed says:

    O/T: CTV.ca News Staff
    Date: Thursday Mar. 17, 2011 7:16 PM ET

    “Prime Minister Stephen Harper has announced that the federal government will offer a new tax credit for parents whose children participate in artistic activities, but the full details will be revealed in the upcoming budget.”

    “Harper said the tax credit is part of the next phase of the government’s economic action plan.

    “The family is the basic building block of Canadian society,” he said in a statement. “That’s why the Next Phase of Canada’s Economic Action Plan will contain new support for Canadian families and communities, including a tax credit for children’s participation in artistic activities.”

    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110317/artistic-tax-credit-110317/

  162. wilson says:

    Chantal- ‘a charade’..and a ‘paper war’
    Ditchburn: ‘the opposition lost credibility’

    Seriously? Now I';; have to watch it.
    Apps is not doing his party any good either,
    out of control bordering on slanderous…..

  163. Sammy says:

    And more good news? ‘Fantino foreshadows budget measures for poor seniors’
    http://owl.ly/4gV50
    Just read a tweet that Iggy’s ad was shown during the Leafs game tonite..wonder how many shoes got thrown at the tv,or potty-breaks during ad???

  164. Mary T says:

    Any possibility that the cbc has realized they have gone too far, and are slowly backing from the coalition after the last couple of days. Do they see the writing on the wall.
    There is no hope for Barton, let her be the first to go.
    Re the war room reading blogs. I remember reading some time ago that the conservatives had hired a team to read the blogs and comments daily to find our what ordinary Canadians are thinking. I also remember writing the PM and telling them to mention that there are 400,000 corporations in Ontario alone and they employ a lot of people. A few days later it was mentioned in a response to a question from the other side.
    I wonder how many that are against the tax cuts unknowingly work for a corporation.
    If the alternative to an election is 2 more years of the kangaroo court of QP and faux scandals, give me an election. We can blame the reason on the goon show we have seen the last couple of days, and will see tomorrow.
    Any news on that supposed secret meeting with HG.

  165. wilson says:

    MaryT, this was the coaltion of losers big big show, they can’t keep this up for 2 more years or PMSH will be polling at 60%

  166. paulsstuff says:

    “…paulsstuff…I appreciate your words of explanation…had not thought of that…thought the pmo and mp’s and others were all too busy and thought of bloggers as a bit of a joke….”

    NB Tory Girl, the PM and all the MP’s have agreat deal of respect and gratitude for what the bloggers do for the party, as well as the great supporters who post on these blogs. I’ve had the honor of meeting the PM twice, Mike Duffy, Chris Alexander, Dean Del Mastro, Julian Fantino, Jim Flaherty. My impressions of meeting them in person is one of the biggest reasons I support the party.

    You know, all the opposition parties and media types paint the PM as a bully and arrogant. That’s the farthest thing from the truth. True story. Last year my sister and brother in law were attending a Conservative event that was a thank you to all the workers and volunteers in Durham Region. My sister was lucky enough to meet the PM earlier in the day, and she told him my mother, who was 90 at the time, was a big fan. His response? You should bring her to the dinner. Mom was smiling for weeks after meeting the PM. I have a picture in my front hall of her with the PM on one side and Mike Duffy on the other.

  167. Sammy says:

    Could we agree to do a big group prayer tonite to provide Min Oda with strength for the clown show tomorrow? I pray that it won’t be too difficult for her..and the opposition really show what heartless animals they are…and the msm finally wise up to what asses they look like.

  168. NB Tory Gal says:

    …awesome Paulsstuff….. thank you.

  169. NB Tory Gal says:

    Yes Sammy…if we all send our thoughts to the universe..they will gather there and be the positive cloud she needs…as we do that throughout the day tomorrow, too….

  170. frmgrl says:

    Could we agree to do a big group prayer tonite to provide Min Oda with strength for the clown show tomorrow?

    Sammy,I’m in full agreement. Not only pray for strength but boldness and the wisdom of Solomon also. She will be a sheep amongst wolves.

  171. Bec says:

    I’m in too gang and I am also convinced that Minister Oda and her team will be very well prepared tomorrow.
    She will be fantastic and OUT these LOSERS for what they are, void of intellect and extremely agressive, BULLIES!

  172. Ontario Girl says:

    Mary
    Any news on that supposed secret meeting with HG.

    It was on the National last night . They showed a room with a table with 6 chairs. Looked like it was in some parliament committee room.Then CBC said Marjory lebretan and 2 govt. lawyers were on one side of the table ….on the other was HG and her two lawyers. She said she was asked questions for 1 1/2 hours and it was just a fishing trip about her activities.She had other hopes. They showed Marjory lebretan walking down the hall of parliament, HG was giving an interview on this and it was all bazarre. No actual point to the report at all???Just CBC trying to make the Govt look sneaky…or what???? Not sure.

  173. Mary T says:

    Anyone got Bev’s e-mail, lets all send her our support for tomorrow.

  174. Ontario Girl says:

    I said in a few comments that ” I wouldn’t be taking any lessons from Liberals”….and
    Monty said that tonight to Al Apps…lol

  175. Ontario Girl says:

    My Dad was always a Conservative. He went to a fund raiser dinner and met PM Harper and spoke to him. My Dad told PM Harper that the only Harper he knew lived in bridgewater Nova Scotia. PM Harper said if he gets to be in that area he was going to look them up. My Dad was a world war 11 veteran Leutenant and was in charge of the tanks going into Holland. He passed away last year.
    My Dad never got over Trudeau riding around with that helmet on with the german swastika on it.

  176. Lorraine says:

    My Dad had the same birthday as Stephen Harper, April 30th. My Dad passed away last year but every year he sent Stephen Harper a birthday greeting and his office sent one back with a personal note to my Dad.
    We have photos of Dad with the PM and Laureen from a few events. My Dad was very opinionated and generally disliked politicians (except the one I married :-)) but he told anyone who would listen that he thought Harper was the best PM in his long lifetime. ..especially after the Pension Splitting.

    PM Harper was warm funny charismatic and genuine when we met him in person with a great laugh and super wit. He has my respect and my support and the crap going on right now in Ottawa makes me sick.

  177. ed says:

    We’ve met the PM also. A great guy and easy to talk to. We’ve visited several Canadian war cemeteries in the Netherlands, a very moving experience seeing the rows of white tombstones with the Maple Leaf ingrained on each.

  178. Bec says:

    Wow, what beautiful stories and I love the “Dad” ones in particular. That’s the thing with PM Harper, if you’ve met him, you feel special, like you are the only one in the room.
    My parents were 2 of about 50 at Stephen Harper’s, the young wanna be Reform MP, first meeting in a local community hall. They were smitten and have never looked back. Although we (I now live in their riding too) lost him to another riding, he is in my Mother-in-laws riding and btw, Dave Rutherford’s so we still get the ‘fix’ and that ‘fix’ is exactly the same as it was back when he was a young newbie pup!
    A lovely genius then and a lovely genius now!

  179. jon says:

    Helena is despicable. Having been inside the Tory caucus, she knows full well what is thought of the CBC within the ranks. So to have gone to the CBC the way she did last year and now this? Truly disgusting. She embodies the same selfish “qualities” as Joe Clark, who supported Liberal McClellan in the 2004 election, Clark seeking only to get revenge on those in his party after they rejected him for the new CP and campaigning for a party he claimed to have opposed for 20 years. These hypocrites have no credibility… throw in the CBC’s Greg Weston too, who years ago wrote scathing columns about the CBC, such as this one

    Feb 2009, some excerpts….

    “While most Canadian media outlets are slashing jobs and other costs to stay afloat in a sea of bad economic news for the industry, the CBC is once again rattling its tin cup for more handouts from taxpayers.”

    ‘The public broadcaster already covers its costs in large part by siphoning just over $1 billion a year from the public purse.”

    And my favourite…

    “But unlike private media companies that are having to cope with their own financial crises, the CBC brass evidently continues to operate on the assumption there isn’t much a government cheque can’t cure”

    Heh. Ironic considering that Weston wrote that when he was actually with private media but now remains silent as a CBC reporter on criticism of it while sucking on the public teet.

  180. Calgary Guy says:

    Well I have had the experience of meeting PMSH in person as well as his lovely wife. She is actually the reason I actually ran to be a delegate at the last convention as she told me that is how she and Stephen actually got together. It was a great time and I will hopefully be going to the next one in June. Also I know that people in the party do read the blogs and look to see what is happening. Also thank you for everyone who posted what was happening on the committee the past two days it is great to catch up on what has happened.

  181. Bec says:

    Seriously GOOD ammunition, jon!
    What a joke some of these people are!

  182. Mary T says:

    Re meeting the PM, I have had the privilege of meeting him 5 times. Once with Preston Manning, once as an MP, once as a candidate for leader, and once as leader of the opposition.
    Friends of ours were at the first meeting and joined the party. He was a great supporter as was his wife. They were also at the candidate for leader meeting, in our small town.
    Husband died a couple of years ago, and a yr later his wife and us were at a barbeque for the PM. I had sent a note to him telling him of the death of my friends husband. At that bbq, he saw her and come over, called her by name and hugged her and offered his condolences. I have the pictures. The PM had brought a lot of the Ont mps out west with him and most of the AB mps. Those from Ont were very impressed with the size of the crowd and AB hospitality shown them thru out their tour. The PM is a very down to earth person, and he is not fat. He tells great jokes.

    • Joanne says:

      I’ve enjoyed reading all the personal stories about meeting our wonderful Prime Minister. Thanks for sharing everyone!

      Regarding the latest scandal du jour, can you imagine how MSM tongues would be wagging right now if Helena G had been allowed to re-enter the caucus? Those same ones that are holding poor Helena’s hand (CBC) would be going after her tooth and nail.

  183. Mary T says:

    Formal complaint filed against Liberal MP Rob Oliphant:
    What is this all about, from ignatieffselection.com

    Has our side decided to use liberal tactics, is this why Jason Kenny was not hung out to dry today.

  184. wilson says:

    Iffy says that corp tax rates are at 18% in recent interview.
    NOT, as of Jan 1,2011 rates dropped to 16.5%
    Is he just playing stupid?

    http://www.ignatieffselection.com/

  185. Liz J says:

    So true Joanne. I also think the media and opposition goons came to her side hoping she’d give them something they could use against PM Harper.

  186. maz2 says:

    Of Liberal Iggy’s O’Harvard buddy: o’narcissist*.

    “**You were warned, and we told you so.”

    “*This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder.”
    …-

    “Democrats shocked, shocked! to discover Obama is passive.

    **You were warned, and we told you so.”

    “But here is the thing: why are Democrats surprised that this is happening? We knew that the President was disinterested in governance. We’ve known this for years.

    Let’s look at some of the articles written on this, shall we?”

    http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/03/17/democrats-shocked-shocked-to-discover-obama-is-passive/
    …-

    “*Barack Obama – Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?”
    http://www.globalpolitician.com/25109-barack-obama-elections

    …-
    “NJ elementary school named for Obama will close”

    “Associated Press March 17, 2011 06:13 PM”
    “Thursday, March 17, 2011″

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi

  187. maz2 says:

    More O’Liberal Iggy’s o.

    …-

    “As crises unfold around him, Obama seems curiously unengaged”

    “No one begrudges a President his sports fixes. But Barack Obama’s decision to unveil his college basketball picks on ESPN while crises unfurled in Japan, Libya and Bahrain sure made a mockery of the “fierce urgency of now.”

    As he jets off on a Latin American junket leaving it to Democrats and Republicans in Congress to duke it out over budget cuts, Mr. Obama has left more than a few wondering whether he has become a “spectator president.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/konrad-yakabuski/as-crises-unfold-around-him-obama-seems-curiously-unengaged/article1946808/

    • Joanne says:

      “As crises unfold around him, Obama seems curiously unengaged”

      Wow. And from the Globe no less!

  188. Liz J says:

    Maz2, perhaps Obama has read all the wrong books, he did tell Iggy when they met, he had read a couple of his books.

  189. jon says:

    “Iffy says that corp tax rates are at 18% in recent interview.
    NOT, as of Jan 1,2011 rates dropped to 16.5%
    Is he just playing stupid?”
    – wilson @ 12:57am

    He’s playing us for stupid, and so are the media.

    It’s so frustrating to watch as so many reporters have chosen to incorporate Liberal talking points into their reports/analysis when they say “Liberals will roll back corporate tax cuts, “Liberals will reverse corporate tax cuts”, and “Liberals will cancel corporate tax cuts”. They seem hesitant, rather unwilling to state the facts to Canadians, which is that since the rate has dropped to 16.5% effective Jan 1, 2011, then the only honest way to describe it is to say that Liberals will increase corporate taxes. But they know how politically toxic “increase” placed in front of the word “taxes” is for the LP, especially in battleground Ontario and McGuinty’s record high taxes in the province.

    • Joanne says:

      But they know how politically toxic “increase” placed in front of the word “taxes” is for the LP, especially in battleground Ontario and McGuinty’s record high taxes in the province.

      I agree Jon. The media are complicit in this attempt at deceiving the Canadian public.

  190. SomeGuyinOttawa says:

    Similarly, Pat Martin mentioned the federal deficit being $50B yesterday during his “guest appearance” at the committee yesterday. The deficit was estimated to be around $45B by fiscal year end and some are saying it will actually be below $40B.

    But 50 or 56 billion sounds so much better to the coalition.

    And why is the deficit lower? Increased tax revenue from personal and CORPORATE taxes!

    • Joanne says:

      And why is the deficit lower? Increased tax revenue from personal and CORPORATE taxes!

      SomeGuyinOttawa – And on that note from today’s FP – The sky-high cost of taxes:

      But nobody wants to get onto the wrong side of the Laffer curve, for if you do, any further increase in tax rates actually reduces tax revenues. It’s one of the few situations in economics where there really is a free lunch: You cut tax rates, which makes you everyone’s friend, and you get more tax revenue as a result.

      But don’t bother trying to explain that to the dozy Coalition of Fools.

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