Time to invoke the Notwithstanding Clause?

Kudos to Tasha Kheiriddin for her straight-forward column asking refugees and immigrants to leave their battles at home – Respect for a country starts before you cross its borders.  She champions Vic Toews for pledging to make things tougher.

However, one has to wonder how much latitude he has in view of the Trudeaupian curse of the Charter of ‘Rights’ which apparently applies to anyone who sets foot in Canada courtesy of unelected Justice (Big) Bertha Wilson [H/T Maz2], and thereby takes away the rights of Canadians to do anything about it.

[Note – Gayle rightly points out that it wasn’t just Big Bertha’s fault.]

James Morton suggests that one solution to regain control might be to invoke the Notwithstanding Clause but he sees a speedier claim process as possibly the preferable alternative. Oh yes, that would be nice but knowing the pace that bureaucracy moves in Canada, I’m not going to put my money on that option.

So is it time for the Notwithstanding Clause? Is it time to unshackle those Trudeaupian chains from our collective necks and take some action?

And yes, I’m totally aware that this in not politically correct, and you know what?

I don’t care.

Because this is not the last boatload.

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Updates

Tamil migrant ship linked to terror group – Sun

Rule doesn’t hold waterEzra Levant, Sun:

Canada could set up our own Christmas Island. Or we could have Nauru or another country do it for us. Or we could even ask the Australians to do ours, too. Even if we paid our allies $20,000 per migrant to do the work, it would be cheaper than processing them here — and that’s not counting social services.

Of course, the Singh decision would be invoked to declare such solutions unconstitutional. So the terrorists and traffickers would continue their profitable shipments. And dozens of ships would follow, with thousands of more queue-jumpers.

Unless our government invoked section 33 of the Charter, called the notwithstanding clause. It was put there by Pierre Trudeau and the premiers for cases just like this, when courts are out of touch with reality. Section 33 would suspend the Singh decision for five years — long enough to see if a Canadian Christmas Island would work.

Would the opposition parties accept the use of section 33? Or would it force an election?

Better that 33 million of us get to decide in 2010, rather than one man back in 1985.

I would welcome an election over this one. The Government should bring forward the legislation and make it a confidence vote.

Bring. It. On.

No ‘migrants’ on the Sun Sea – Toronto Sun:

It was the Tamil Tigers, after all, who pioneered the despicable act of suicide bombings, and who are suspected in the assassination of Sri Lanka’s president as well as former Indian president Rajiv Gandhi.

Only a fool would therefore believe no Tamil Tigers are hiding among the women and children aboard that ship now docked in CFB Esquimalt, and that they are not bent on forming a government-in-exile in our country should they go undetected.

After all, some $12 million has been raised by the Tamil diaspora living in Canada, and $300 million worldwide, to fund the Tamil Tigers’ civil war back in Sri Lanka before it was finally defeated in 2009.

And it was this diaspora which also put up a goodly portion of the estimated $10 million it took to pay the smugglers who brought them here.

The goal, undoubtedly, is to keep the Tamil Tiger movement alive — and do it on our soil.

Excellent letter in today’s National Post by Charles Evans of Toronto (Welcome to Canada and here’s an umbrella):

...Given the fact that these passengers live in a country where gross national income per capita approximates US$1,790, that raises the question: To what extent did Canadian Tamils finance the passage of these people? If, in addition, the smugglers are in fact Tamil Tigers one might observe that they are not “heartless” but rather “ingenious” for having devised a very efficient funding strategy.

A cynic might conclude that these “refugees,” once in Canada, will in turn work hard to repay their passage and possibly finance other Sri Lankan Tamils who want to take the next Tamil Tiger “refugee” boat. In this way, what appears to be desperate Canadian resident Tamils trying to rescue desperate Sri Lankan Tamils is in reality a self-perpetuating strategy to finance the next Tamil Tiger-led Sri Lankan civil war.

And the National Post editorial seems to be agreeing with James Morton – Get serious on refugee reform:

But the truly significant changes will have to come through thorough reform of the refugee and immigration system. This will cost considerable money, but it is a cause that should unite left and right since the end result would be a combination of humane, speedy treatment of the truly downtrodden with a law-andorder decisiveness about who gets in and who doesn’t. Once the regular immigration channels were working in a timely manner, there would be less incentive for economic migrants (and other would-be Canadians not facing persecution at home) to abuse the refugee process.

Again, colour me skeptical.

Stop migrant tide: Turn tables on Tigers
Chronicle Herald (!)

James Morton’s blog post is now up at National Post.  Again it is an excellent column and please check out the comments!

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137 Responses to Time to invoke the Notwithstanding Clause?

  1. Ruth says:

    Good for you!! It’s time we lost that phrase “politically correct” and the charter of rights too.

  2. Acacia says:

    Could not agree more!

  3. Ruth says:

    I agree Joanne, but how can we do it.

  4. Joe says:

    In a land so vast and so sparsely populated I’m sure we can find some place for these poor refugees in accordance with the Charter. Might I suggest that they have their own island and that they be responsible for their own keep. In my research there is a nice uninhabited island that stands out ahead of all others. Devon Island warms to +10C in the summer and pleasantly cools to -58C in the winter. It might be expensive to live there because they would have to bring in all their food, shelter and heating fuel but if you can afford to pay %50,000.00 for a 3 month ride on a tramp steamer….

  5. Brian says:

    Eventually using the Not Withstanding Clause will be needed to overturn the idiotic Supreme Court Singh ruling which grants full Charter rights once a person has set foot in Canada … complete with welfare and legal aid allowing multiple and lengthy challenges to deportation.

    Now that the Tamil boat pipeline has been established , the question is whether PM Harper will have the courage to use it. The MSM and those who benefit from the current situation will scream , but most Canadians will likely agree that the current situation is untenable.

  6. cantuc says:

    They don’t look to me like they are wealthy . Did they have to borrow money to get here ? If so , who from ? How do they repay it ? How much is the medical aid and everyhing else going to cost us ? This whole bloody affair stinks to high heaven . What is being done with the ones with tuberculosis ? On a ship , living in close quarters like that for three months , are more of them now carrying it ? What other pleasant surprises do they have in store ? This is bloody rediculous and must be stopped , now .

  7. A majority for the CPC is needed. They watered down the Balanced Refugee Reform Act with 19 Liberal amendments.

    The Liberals are not interested in working with the government on fixing the system in an efficient manner. The omnibus bill had everything including the kitchen sink and it would have triggered an election so it was passed.

    A standalone bill was eventually passed in this session.
    Balanced Refugee Reform Act does not come into effect until next year.
    Further, in recognition that some claims for refugee protection are clearly fraudulent, the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada would also be able to fast-track the appeals of asylum seekers determined to have made manifestly unfounded claims. Neither they, nor claimants from designated countries would have automatic stays at the Federal Court, thus allowing for speedier removal from Canada. This would discourage people from using Canada’s asylum system as a way to jump the immigration queue. It would also disincentivise those who make asylum claims so they can prolong their stay in Canada, where they have access to a work permit and social assistance.

    These changes would mean that failed claimants from designated countries would be ready for removal in about 120 days, far less than the years it takes now.

    Bill C-11 and all of its proposed amendments continue to exceed Canada’s international and domestic legal obligations to asylum seekers, and will improve Canada’s refugee system. The Balanced Refugee Reform Act will provide faster protection to those fleeing persecution, and faster removal from Canada of false asylum seekers. If passed, the Bill would be implemented no later than 24 months following Royal Assent.
    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2010/2010-06-15a.asp

  8. john says:

    I agree that the N.W.S.C should be used in this matter. Hell, I can think of about 6 other matters it should be used for right now. (Give me 10 minutes and I’ll come up with another 20).

    However, using the N.W.S.C. takes determination and fortitude and most of all guts to stand up to being called: “bigot”, “xenophobic”, “nazi”, ect ect.

    Since we all know that Canukistan politicos are absolutely ball-less whenever it comes to standing up to any shrieking lefty pressure group the is NO CHANCE of the N.W.S.C. ever being used.

  9. Bec says:

    Our Canadian YOUTH, were not engaged in the Census..(“Census, what’s that”?) but they ARE engaged in this and YES, let’s do it Mr Prime Minister, invoke the ‘Not Withstanding Clause’!

    I AM DISGUSTED that this has occurred and we are without controls to not let it happen.

    We need to be able to go in and bring in ‘Refugee’s’ from countries that are legitimate and REAL people that require our help and assistance.
    NOT this bogus garbage! ENOUGH!

  10. MaryT says:

    Didn’t Martin say he would abolish the notwithstanding clause in his debate. And didn’t that cause a lot of outrage.
    Some more questions re the so called 90 day sea voyage. There must be some navy person out there that could tell us the nautical miles from Australia to Canada-about 8000 according to a google site. How fast did the boat travel, how many knots/hour. How many miles is a knot.
    It takes about 11 days for a cargo ship to get from China to the USA, about the same distance.
    So, was the ship really at sea for 90 days loaded with illegal refugees.
    Call back the HofC and get this settled, like yesterday.
    There are more ships on the way, waiting to see what happens. If it leads to an election because the bleeding heart opposition so be it. We will win a majority, maybe like Brian did.

  11. Calgary Junkie says:

    It’s my understanding that only Parliament can invoke the Notwhihtstanding clause. So we can’t go that route, until we have a majority.

    It’s hard to tell how much Harper’s hands are tied, by his legal and international obligations. Adler was forcefully suggesting that Harper should have instructed our Navy to escort the boat somewhere else.

    But I dunno. It’s all extremely complicated. The media certainly hasn’t done much to inform the debate, by bringing out various experts.

    I expect to see the media do more than their usual amount of nitpicking of everything Harper, Toews, Kenney, etc do and don’t do.

  12. MaryT says:

    FYI 1 mile = 0.868976242 knots
    And a nautical mile is 15% longer than 5280 feet.
    Somebody smarter than me will figure out how many days it would take to get from Australia to Canada.

  13. wilson says:

    “That’s a difficult thing to do (bringing the crew up on criminal charges) in these kinds of situations where it’s sometimes difficult to identify, once you board, who the captain or the crew is,” Toews said.

    Yah, everyone’s a refugee once in Canadian waters…..

  14. MaryT says:

    Bertha Wilson is also the justice that ruled for Morgantaler re abortion. And several other contraversial decision were made by her.
    Her appointment to the SCofC ranks right up there with the NEP, and most of all the Charter, as decisions PET made that should never have happened.
    But just like the media elected O, the cbc honchos bragged that they elected PET.

  15. jad says:

    Why can we not simply declare a moratorium on refugees from Sri Lanka like Australia has done ? According to Australia, the war is over and there is no imminent danger to regular citizens.

  16. Gayle says:

    You know I am really sorry to have to interrupt you guys with my pathological devotion to facts, but I think I need to point out the following:

    Justice Wilson was one of three judges (all the ones who heard this case) to reach this conclusion. She did not do it all by herself.

    In fact, she was assisted in reaching this conclusion by the lawyer for the Minister, who agreed the Charter applies to everyone in Canada. That means the Mulroney government agreed that it applies to non-citizens, and the Court relied onn that representation in order to conclude that it does. Read for yourself:

    “3. The Application of the Charter

    (a) Are the Appellants Entitled to the Protection of s. 7 of the Charter?

    34. Section 32(1)(a) of the Charter provides:

    32. (1) This Charter applies

    (a) to the Parliament and government of Canada in respect of all matters within the authority of Parliament…

    Since immigration is clearly a matter falling within the authority of Parliament under s. 91(25) of the Constitution Act, 1867, the Immigration Act, 1976 itself and the administration of it by the Canadian government are subject to the provisions of the Charter.

    35. Section 7 of the Charter states that “Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice”. Counsel for the appellants contrasts the use of the word “Everyone” in s. 7 with language used in other sections, for example, “Every citizen of Canada” in s. 3, “Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada” in s. 6(2) and “Citizens of Canada” in s. 23. He concludes that “Everyone” in s. 7 is intended to encompass a broader class of persons than citizens and permanent residents. Counsel for the Minister concedes that “everyone” is sufficiently broad to include the appellants in its compass and I am prepared to accept that the term includes every human being who is physically present in Canada and by virtue of such presence amenable to Canadian law.”

    Finally, I find it necessary to point out that Trudeau did not, and could not, pass the Constitution and the Charter all by himself. 9 Premiers also signed on to it, so you might want to ask THEM why they agreed to this terrible, terrible thing.

    In any event, as always, carry on…

    • Joanne says:

      Finally, I find it necessary to point out that Trudeau did not, and could not, pass the Constitution and the Charter all by himself. 9 Premiers also signed on to it, so you might want to ask THEM why they agreed to this terrible, terrible thing.

      So they all screwed up.

      Let’s trash it and start over.

  17. Liz J says:

    The Charter would not have been signed had Section 33 not been included, the premiers would not have signed it.

    The Charter does speak to the Liberal Left agenda, their devotion to it is Biblical.
    These are the same people who yell and scream at the mere mention of invoking the Notwithstanding Clause. Wasn’t it Paul Martin in his last frenetic attempt to hold power who said he would get rid of it?

    I agree with Ezra on this, let the opposition force an election on this one,the future of our country is at stake.

    Thanks “Gayle”, we intend to carry on.

  18. maz2 says:

    PET Cemetery Report.

    Dump Ziffy and his TO “pride” Party.

    Vote Hezbollah Coderre.

    Why? Montreal has no “pride”.

    >>> “Here is Coderre’s critique of Montreal’s problems. “We lack pride,”.

    Ziffy hogs “pride”. Ziffy won’t give Montreal “pride”. Tsktsktsk

    …-

    “Coderre seems to offer little vision for city

    Liberal MP considers taking a run for the mayor’s chair”

    “It’s worth noting, though, that the MP from Montreal North’s Bourassa riding doesn’t rule out pursuing his long-standing ambition of becoming leader of the Liberal Party of Canada – this despite his incendiary resignation last September as the party’s Quebec lieutenant under leader Michael Ignatieff. Coderre loudly complained then that “the leader’s Toronto palace guard, who have a total misunderstanding of Quebec’s social and political reality,” had taken away from him control over the selection of the party’s candidates in Quebec. The charge, red meat for sovereignists, has contributed to a decline of support for the Liberals in this province, yet Coderre told the magazine he’d do the same thing again.”

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Coderre+seems+offer+little+vision+city/3406613/story.html

  19. Liz J says:

    Interesting, Denis Coderre to run for Mayoralty of Montreal but still has ambitions to be leader of LPC. Guess it would help him feel important as he bides his time for the long wait to fulfill his lofty ambition.

    Wonder what disaster would have to befall the line-up for the Liberal leadership to land Denis in that chair? Denis may be a fine fellow but he’s first and foremost passionately defensive of the French language and his province of Quebec. Do we need that for the ROC given we have the Bloc sitting in our HOC, for all intents and purposes interested only in what affects Quebec?

  20. maz2 says:

    The Separatist Coalition is reality.

    The Separatist Coalition’s sleeper agent is the Liberal Party, aka Liberal Ziffy/Rae, et al.

    Like all fascism, like all rats, the Separatist Coalition emerges from the underworld when it deems the time is ripe.

    …-

    “The Bloc’s silent partner
    Quebec Premier Jean Charest

    The Quebec Liberal Party is complicit in separatism’s continued appeal to Quebeckers”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-blocs-silent-partner/article1674906/

    • Joanne says:

      This article really illustrates the problems we run into trying access the validity of the migrants’ claims and whether or not there are criminals aboard. The following segment is about the last boatload:

      The Mounties are in the midst of a complex international investigation of the Ocean Lady case, said Const. Michael McLaughlin, an RCMP spokesperson in British Columbia.

      He said there’s a “pretty evident possibility of human smuggling” and possibly human trafficking in the file, but maybe other offences as well.

      “Anything from assault to sexual assault to extortion — anything that may have happened that we believe meets the criteria for criminal charges, we’ve got to forward that information to the Department of Justice,” McLaughlin said Monday. “Are we there yet to release those reports? No.”

      Cases that involve multiple agencies are often vexing, he said.

      “They tend to be a lot more complicated. It’s not simply a matter of one person who has committed one or even several offences that you can focus on,” McLaughlin said. “Because there’s an international component there is going to be some evidence that we can’t just collect in Canada, that it’s got to be collected outside of our borders. That takes time.

      “We’ve got to make sure we’ve got witnesses, we’ve got to make sure we’ve got victims, we’ve got to tie all the financing together,” he said. “So even if charges only go out against one or a few people, there are many people involved in that.”

      Asked if those who ran the Ocean Lady operation are among those who have made refugee claims in Canada, McLaughlin said: “I can’t say. That just might jeopardize what ultimately comes out.

      That backs up what Ezra said: “It’s absurd. How could Canada prosecute a Tamil stow-away here in Canada for crimes committed overseas? Are we seriously expected to fly in witnesses from Sri Lanka?”

      The system is unworkable.

  21. Richco says:

    ” Joanne says:
    August 16, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    The Liberal Party of Toronto will certainly be against using the Notwithstanding Clause.”

    Maybe it’s time the PM stop worrying about what Toronto has to say on anything. It’s not like many there will vote CPC next election. Time to pay attention to those who support this country and a government with the balls to keep it together AND go to the people with this front and centre.

    Opening up the Charter wouldn’t be an election winner IMO. I’m pretty sure that the PM will not go there any time soon. As bad as it is it’s the elephant in the room that no one wants to raise publicly again.

    I have a question.

    I visited the Blogging Tory aggregate yesterday and again this morning and I have to wonder why of all of the posts from 24 hours ago until now very few are discussing what I think is hugely important. In fact, for media cruising to look for how this is panning out among Blogs they’d be disappointed.

  22. Liz J says:

    This whole incident might be what it takes to finally fix this “unworkable” system. It’s an opportunity only if the government has the courage to pursue it, recognizing the MSM will fight them every step of the way, Canada isn’t their concern, by their actions, politics trumps all for them.

    We are forced to take on this complicated mess, dumped on us and for which we have nothing to do with all because of a misguided Charter. Sure, we take our obligations to help the unfortunate around the globe seriously, we do our share, more than our share.

    When incidences like this present themselves,the Charter becomes the enemy to our security as a sovereign nation, this incident spells it out for all to who choose to recognize it.

    Time to take the political blinders off and do the right thing.

    Surely we can recognize this insanity and do whatever is necessary to end it.

  23. Michael Harkov says:

    Finally, I find it necessary to point out that Trudeau did not, and could not, pass the Constitution and the Charter all by himself. 9 Premiers also signed on to it, so you might want to ask THEM why they agreed to this terrible, terrible thing.

    Yes, lets.

  24. Liz J says:

    Yes, the 9 Premiers signed it after the Notwithstanding Clause was included. It’s that Clause that causes the Left to squirm every time it’s mentioned.

    Quebec has used it. Newfoundland used it under Tobin to deal with their school systems.

    Let’s use it again, this time federally. If that doesn’t pan out, let the people decide.

  25. MaryT says:

    Quebec did not sign this so how come they can use it when it suits them.
    How many members of the SCofC were appointed by liberals that made this decision. And, if the Court was tied, doesn’t that mean the head honcho has to vote NO.
    Roberts Rules of Order-
    When a tie is broken by voting against said motion or whatever, it gives both sides an opportunity to try again. A yes vote binds us forever.

  26. Gayle says:

    Liz. Don’t get me wrong. I would LOVE it if Harper would invoke the Notwithstanding clause. I fact, I think he should make that the central platform of his next election campaign – invocation of the NWC in order to ensure certain refugees do not have Charter protection.

    Sounds like a winner to me!

  27. Gayle says:

    “How many members of the SCofC were appointed by liberals that made this decision.’

    It doesn’t matter, because the decision was made on the basis that the government of the day (Mulroney), agreed section 7 covers non-citizens. There was no legal debate on this issue because both sides agreed.

    “And, if the Court was tied, doesn’t that mean the head honcho has to vote NO.”

    No. It is a court, not a board of directors.

  28. Michael Harkov says:

    It would be interesting to see which was the governing party at the time these judges were appointed. Somehow I doubt we’d be surprised as to which party that was.

    And please Gayle, envoking Mulroney, “the Mulroney government agreed”? Is that bit of pap supposed to impress or even mean something to those of use who think that the Charter has still been an unmitigated farce? I and many people voted for Mulroney – once, even twice. After the fiasco that was Trudeau and the LPC, that was hardly surprising. Conservatives hold their politicans accountable, which was a large part of why they got bashed down to two seats by people who supported him and the PC at one time, even twice. Liberals can do whatever they want and the sheep that are their supporters will still line up to get sheared and turned into mutton no matter what their herders say or do. So envoking Mulroney? Nice try.

    And Ignatieff, where has the Annointed One been since this has issue with the Tamils have started? What hole has he crawled back into? Is he hiding in the back of his bus? He says these so-called refugees should be treated “fairly”. Well, who is advocating that they be treated more unfairly than the system being what it is already? A party that has had members attending LTTE fundraising?

    Sooner or later people are going to get tired of this leftist Liberal bull****, and we will be there to celebrate when it does. If legislation for refugee reform were made a confidence measure, it would be a majority, guaranteed. So yes indeed, we will “carry on”.

  29. Michael Harkov says:

    People, look at this article; this is so disturbing, it is surreal. It is absolutley unreal that we as a nation have allowed and are still allowing this to happen. We need an overhaul of our refugee system, like, yesterday -

    Other countries consider relatively few Sri Lankan Tamil claimants to be genuine refugees. In contrast, Canada has been exceptionally generous. In 2003, for example, our approval rate for such claimants was 76.3 per cent, while other nations on average accepted only 15.8 per cent.

    In consequence, in that year we took in one and a half times as many as the rest of the world combined. From 1989 to 2004 we approved claims from more than 37,000 Sri Lankans, far more than from nationals of any other country.

    A further indication of the fact that a high percentage of those we accepted were not genuine refugees was that large numbers went back to visit Sri Lanka while their applications were still pending.

    Although their claims for asylum were based on the argument that they fled persecution in that country in many cases out of fear for their lives in one year alone more than 8,600 applied to the Sri Lankan High Commission in Ottawa for travel documents so they could make visits to their homeland.

    While the Tigers ran human smuggling operations to raise funds for their terrorist cause by bringing people illegally into Canada, such activities were also aimed at strengthening the ranks of their supporters in this country.

    The Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) helped out by giving expedited processing and almost automatic approval to persons considered to be at risk, including “young Tamil males aged 10 to 40 or 45 years from the north and east” of Sri Lanka (i.e., from the area controlled by the Tamil Tigers) and “young unmarried Tamil females aged 13 to 30 years old” from the same area.

    As pointed out by former Canadian ambassador and IRB member William Bauer, these two profiles happen to be identical with those of Tamil Tiger guerrillas. (Unmarried females are favoured by the Tigers for suicide-bombing missions – one was Indian prime minister Rajiv Gandhi’s killer.) By 2000 the Toronto police Tamil Task Force estimated that Canada’s largest city was home to as many as 8,000 members of Tamil terrorist factions, most notably the Tigers.

    As a result of the combined effects of governments that ignored terrorist connections in favour of gaining political support, and a refugee system that laid out a welcome mat for dubious claimants, Canada is now saddled with tens of thousands of terrorists and their supporters particularly if we include all the relatives that successful refugee claimants are subsequently able to sponsor.

    Besides the damage we have done to ourselves, we have by our actions almost certainly contributed to extending the civil war and terrorist violence in Sri Lanka through funds channeled from Canada.

    Although the Conservative government appears determined to crack down on Tamil Tiger activities including fundraising in Canada, it will take a major effort to fix the refugee determination system that has made it possible for Tamil terrorists to establish themselves in Canada.

    This is a test case. Our resolve is being tested. There is no doubt about it now that we need refugee reform and that this issue needs to be taken to the people immediatley. The current Parliament as it stands is not going to make it happen. With an Official Opposition that has the kind of history it does with this issue, and with it’s leader so out of touch and absent for so long, that will be utterly impossible. We need a majority to make it happen. The Tories need to actively pursue that majority and bring it’s case for one to the people. No more holding back, it is time to go full on.

    • Joanne says:

      We need a majority to make it happen. The Tories need to actively pursue that majority and bring it’s case for one to the people. No more holding back, it is time to go full on.

      I agree. The messaging will be crucial though. Otherwise the opps will frame it just as Gayle suggests @9:52 am.

  30. Michael Harkov says:

    I’ll say it again, because this REALLY needs to sink in -

    A further indication of the fact that a high percentage of those we accepted were not genuine refugees was that large numbers went back to visit Sri Lanka while their applications were still pending.

    Although their claims for asylum were based on the argument that they fled persecution in that country in many cases out of fear for their lives in one year alone more than 8,600 applied to the Sri Lankan High Commission in Ottawa for travel documents so they could make visits to their homeland.

    LPC, Ignatieff; NDP, Layton; and their supporters – WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  31. Gayle says:

    Michael – I did not “invoke” Mulroney. I merely pointed out the decision that refugees get Charter protection was his government’s, and not the SCC. The SCC merely endorsed that position.

    That is all.

  32. MadMacs of Bytown says:

    More again from Lowell Green-

    http://cfra.com/listen/listen-CFRA-StW.html

  33. Liz J says:

    Richo @ 8:29 am, I agree,the PM should stop worrying about Toronto, it’s a lost cause at this point, however, hope springs eternal.

    I do think however at some point we do have to deal with the elephant in the room and that takes a whack of courage. I’d say if anyone could do it and explain clearly why, PM Harper would be the one to do it. We won’t hold our breath.

  34. Michael Harkov says:

    No you didn’t just “merely point it out” for it’s own sake; you also did it to try and show that Conservatives are complicit in that which we are taking issue with just because it was a PC government that went along for the ride. No dice, Gayle. We’ve all seen your modus operandi and we’re on to you.

    That is all.

    From you, if only that were true. Then again with you, nothing ever really is.

  35. MaryT says:

    Any refugee claimant who is still waiting for a decision, and they apply to go back to their country, should automatically be banned and refused, and not allowed back to Canada.
    Lowell Green asking some questions re the ship and why aren’t important questins being asked, why do we just believe what the lawyers are telling us. Now we hear that they survived on 1 liter of water per week. And no one is questioning that. Where did the extra people come from, who refueled and supplied the ship, and if they only had that little water, why were they not dehydrated when they got off.
    He is asking where the ship was as it does not take many days to travel across the ocean.
    First thing that has to be done is cancel all govt funds to pay lawyers or immigration consultants.

  36. Bubba Brown says:

    I am all for fair treatment, I would like very much as a Canadian to be treated fairly.

    Paying for the very dubious “Refugees” that the snake-heads have dumped on us is not fair treatment.

    They are not refugees.

    It is not right or just for them to do the equivalent of “Home Invasion” to our Country.

    An idiotic decision by three left leaning Judges has cost this Country billions of dollars, it lets tens of thousands of terrorists roam our Country.
    They extort funds to continue wars and terrorism in their “real home Countries”

    Not withstanding clause PM Harper, while we still can call ourselves a Country.

    We cannot do or follow any other course of action if we do not want to support terrorism.

    Watching the Tamils with their flag shut down one of our cities last summer was disgusting.

  37. Michael Harkov says:

    Liz. Don’t get me wrong. I would LOVE it if Harper would invoke the Notwithstanding clause. I fact, I think he should make that the central platform of his next election campaign – invocation of the NWC in order to ensure certain refugees do not have Charter protection. Sounds like a winner to me!

    Great, I’m so glad you agree. If the other leftist sheep feel as you do, then we can have an election and take this to the people. Bring it on.

  38. Michael Harkov says:

    I agree. The messaging will be crucial though. Otherwise the opps will frame it just as Gayle suggests @9:52 am.

    The Gayles of this country can spout off and blather all they like. When the Prime Minister gets his turn to explain exactly why the government will do what needs doing, I believe that the common sense of “the Canadians”, as Ignatieff refers to us all, will agree.

    And upon retrospect, a majority doesn’t even really need to be actively pursued; this is simply the right thing to do. However, I believe that will come of itself anyway when this issue is taken to the people. For example, “refugees” in the claimant stage petitioning to go back to the horrible place where they came from for a visit. Really, how much common sense is it going to take to see right through that?

  39. batb says:

    Gayle: “That means the Mulroney government agreed that it [Bertha Wilson's ruling] applies to non-citizens, and the Court relied onn that representation in order to conclude that it does.”

    So, pursuant to my post in the thread below about Mulroney, there he is, again, forwarding a “progressive” agenda, not in any way being true to Tory values. I am very skeptical about Mulroney’s loyalties, given his intimate connections to the Desmarais Family/Power Corp, and his arrogance having “led to the TOTAL collapse of the Conservative Party of Canada, where … the … oldest political Party [in Canada] was all but wiped-out (Howard Galganov).”

    Sometimes I’m tempted to wonder whether or not Mulroney was in cahoots with the Liberal$, Quebec, and Power Corporation, all intent on a complete power monopoly in Canada. Politics all of a sudden became much easier for the Liberal$, Quebec, and Power Corp when the federal Conservatives were almost wiped off the map. Thank heavens for the feisty Elsie Wayne and the determined, undaunted Preston Manning, otherwise the Liberal hegemony would still be in full sail.

    Whether or not I’m correct about the very charming and charismatic Brian Mulroney, enough is enough on the “refugee” front in Canada. Thank you, Michael Harkov for your enlightening posts. If any “refugee” applies for, and receives, travel documents in order to make visits to their homeland, they should be disqualified immediately — and deported.

    Canadians are being taken to the cleaners. In a time when our young people are having difficulty finding jobs that pay a living wage, let alone provide them with medical and dental benefits — which these “refugees” receive as soon as they set foot on Canadian soil — Canadians should be screaming bloody murder. Our children, BTW, will end up paying for these programs for the rest of their lives, many of them not having access to any of the benefits these “refugees” and their family members are receiving AFTER HAVING IN NO WAY CONTRIBUTED TO THEM — unlike our working children who are paying taxes on each of their pay cheques.

    This is a justice issue for not only us but for our children and grandchildren.

  40. Liz J says:

    A caller,”Sharon”, to the Lowell Green show just now has it right, she suggested it’s time for PM Harper to come out of hiding which does when anything controversial is going on. “Sharon” is a Conservative and a frequent caller with more than a little common sense and smarts.

    It’s not only the Ministers involved we want to hear from, we also NEED to hear from the PM on this affair which critically important to the country. Betting most would support him taking real and tough action.

  41. Liz J says:

    Further, we would even appreciate the PM coming out and declaring we have a problem like none other and we are weighing all our options.

    “Houston, we have a problem”, let’s go!!

  42. ed says:

    The Liberals do not care about refugees, they do not care about the safety and welfare of Canadians, they do not care about this country, they do not care about the environment, etc.,etc..

    The Liberals care about only one thing: winning the seat of government. Whatever it takes to gain power, they’ll use it. They’re so desperate they’d sign a pact with the devil if necessary. It’s all about them, all of the time. You’d think they’d be ashamed to show their faces!!

  43. frmgrl says:

    This is a serious enough problem for parliament to be called back early. It needs to be dealt with ASAP and make it a confidence measure. That way it will be dealt with that way or the people decide. One way or another something has to be done! The sooner the better.

  44. Richco says:

    “Liz. Don’t get me wrong. I would LOVE it if Harper would invoke the Notwithstanding clause. I fact, I think he should make that the central platform of his next election campaign – invocation of the NWC in order to ensure certain refugees do not have Charter protection. Sounds like a winner to me!

    Great, I’m so glad you agree. If the other leftist sheep feel as you do, then we can have an election and take this to the people. Bring it on.”

    Gayle’s baiting us folks. Of course she’s LOVE it if Harper invoked the notwithstanding clause because she knows and I know that it would guarantee an election loss for Harper on so many levels. If there’s one issue that would turn the country upside down and risk our economic comeback it’s making the Constitution an election issue.

    Liz – “Further, we would even appreciate the PM coming out and declaring we have a problem like none other and we are weighing all our options.”

    I’m right behind you on this one AND it would be just fine with me for the PM to call Parliament back next week to get to work.

  45. MaryT says:

    It is way past time for us to quit being afraid of being called bigots, racists and other bad names. It is way past time for the govt to take strong action re refugees and immigration for fear of being called racist or bigots.
    For years the libs and media tried to insult westerners by calling them Rednecks. We turned that around and started, Proud to be a Redneck.
    The US elected a black president because any one against him was considered racist.
    So, lets start a campaign, proud to be a racist bigot and against illegal refugees, proud to be against phony applications, proud to be against funding lawyers and immigration consultants so they can defend possible terrorists.
    Proud to be against phony refugees claiming horrible conditions back home, then applying for travel documents to return to that horrible place to visit.
    Proud to be against Canadians of Convenience.

  46. wilson says:

    ”…Any refugee claimant who is still waiting for a decision, and they apply to go back to their country, should automatically be banned and refused, and not allowed back to Canada….”

    So by those actions, returning to Sri Lanka awaiting refugee status in Canada,
    the ‘refugees’ are deeming Sri Lanka a “safe country”.

    And what about all those “safe countries’ the ‘asylum shoppers” sailed by,
    to get to Canada……..

  47. jad says:

    Finally a journaalist (Kelly MacParland) weighs in on Ignatieff’s comments last weekend on how the Government should have handled the Tamils.

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/08/17/kelly-mcparland-ignatieffs-bus-tour-tamil-policy/#more-9237


    So what else did Mr. Ignatieff expect? Is he suggesting Canada should have intercepted the vessel at sea before it arrived in Canadian waters? One assumed Mr. Ignatieff is aware that certain rules apply to ships in international waters, and that Canada can’t just fire off a bunch of Mounties to start issuing directives to any boat that might be heading this way. He’s an international scholar and human rights experts, right? So he knows.

    Then there was the Australia comment.

    There’s also his curious remark when asked whether Canada should adopt a policy similar to Australia, which turned the boat away.

    “This is Canada, not Australia,” Ignatieff said.

    “That means Canada has principles, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, our international obligations.”

    Right — Canada, not Australia. We don’t need to learn nuthin from nobody. Because nobody knows nuthin better’n we know it. So just tell them Australians to shut their yaps, thank-yew-very-much, and we’ll just run our own country. Hear?

    Seriously. That’s how international scholars talk. Especially when they’ve been on a bus all summer

  48. ed says:

    O/T: Family says language laws are forcing them to move

    16/08/2010 8:48:43 PM
    CTV.ca News

    http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/canada/family_says_language_laws_are_forcing_them_to_move/d2edc476

    Question of the Day

    Are laws needed to promote bilingualism in Canada?

    Yes, bilingualism is critical
    13%

    Only sometimes
    6%

    No, laws aren’t necessary
    77%

    I don’t have an opinion
    4%

    15625 responses, not scientifically valid, results updated every minute.

  49. Richco says:

    Iggy’s Photo Op Goes Bad

    “”Hi there little girl, I’m Mr. Ignatieff. What do you have in the basket?” he asked.

    “Kittens,” little Suzy said.

    “How old are they?” asked Ignatieff
    Suzy replied, “They’re so young, their eyes aren’t even open yet.”

    “And what kind of kittens are they?”

    “Liberals,” answered Suzy with a smile.

    Ignatieff was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.

    Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that Mr Ignatieff should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.

    So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket of “FREE KITTENS,” when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from CBC, CTV, and CNN.

    Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Ignatieff got out of his limo and walked over to little Suzy.

    “Hello, again,” he said, “I’d love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you’re giving away.”

    “Yes sir,” Suzy said. “They’re CONSERVATIVES.”

    Taken by surprise, Mr. Ignatieff stammered, “But… but… yesterday, you told me they were LIBERALS.”

    Little Suzy smiled and said, “I know. But today, they have their eyes open”

    (a fictional interlude making the rounds today)

  50. Sammy says:

    See NatPost:McParland has good column..Ignatieff’s Bus Tour Tamil Policy
    BTW,where are Bobby Fife,and Mansbridge these days? I’m really missing that ‘look down his nose at ordinary Canadians’ and lecturing us on being more ‘sympathetic’ that Petey is so great at doling out.Also,Fife is missing another opportunity to call us ‘knuckledraggers’ once again,if we don’t want to throw open the immigration doors to any and all!!

  51. ed says:

    Website for the survey in my last post: http://www.sympatico.ca/

  52. wilson says:

    ”Although their claims for asylum were based on the argument that they fled persecution in that country in many cases out of fear for their lives in one year alone more than 8,600 applied to the Sri Lankan High Commission in Ottawa for travel documents so they could make visits to their homeland.”

    One would think that that is all the evidence the Refugee Board would need to decline their refugee claim.

  53. MaryT says:

    If the Govt had refused to allow those refugees to disembark, or to enter our waters and turned it around, what would have happened. Who would have sued us, those passengers on board, would the UN have issued a condemnations.
    Would the world have put sanctions against us. Would countries refused to buy our oil, wheat, other goods.
    I think a lot of hot air would be spouted by the opposition but what could they do.
    Try it next time, might get a big surprise, Canadians would approve.

  54. maz2 says:

    Is Ziffy gone catatonic? What with the silence? Where’s the Boob Rae?

    Is Ziffy blindsided like O? Have Ziffy & O morphed into a “party_pooper”?

    Has Ziffy cancelled his X-Canada “historic journey”?

    Here’s El-M’O.

    Liberal Ziffy’s O’Harvard buddy: Ramadanned, Rahmmedanned, and Ramadamned.

    …-

    “Historic journey

    See how Barack Obama continues to make history as the 44th president.”

    “Democrats: We were blindsided by President Obama’s Ground Zero mosque comments

    “Several Democratic campaign operatives complained that without a heads-up, they did not have the time to war-game how to handle questions from the news media or GOP attacks.

    “They did the right thing – they just didn’t do it the right way,” lamented another Democratic source.

    White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has spent three days on the phone doing damage control with angry Democrats and urging them not to go public against the President, Democratic sources said.

    Obama went ahead with the Ramadan dinner remarks even though his top political advisers had not reached a consensus on what he should do. Emanuel was one of the skeptics.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_surprised_pols_call_obama_a_party_pooper.html

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/014659.html

  55. wilson says:

    LOL, Kelly McFarland writes:

    ”…There’s also his curious remark when asked whether Canada should adopt a policy similar to Australia, which turned the boat away.

    “This is Canada, not Australia,” Ignatieff said.

    “That means Canada has principles, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, our international obligations.”

    Right — Canada, not Australia. We don’t need to learn nuthin from nobody. Because nobody knows nuthin better’n we know it. So just tell them Australians to shut their yaps, thank-yew-very-much, and we’ll just run our own country. Hear?

    Seriously. That’s how international scholars talk. Especially when they’ve been on a bus all summer…”

  56. Bubba Brown says:

    Gee so Mr Ignatieff is once again treating us to a glimpse of his sophisticated grasp of geography.
    “This is Canada not Australia” Pity! Ozzies have cojones!

    As for defining things “Gale” wind 32-38 miles an hour. Should be useful for turnin’ one of them “Birdie masticators” not much else.

  57. Michael Harkov says:

    “…..would the UN have issued a condemnations.”

    Heh, UN condemnations. This from an organization where most of it’s membership do not even conform to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights despite it being a requirement of membership. They’ve had countries as known human rights violaters being members of their Human Rights Council. Ironically enough, Libya was one of them. But just this June, Libya ordered the UN to close it’s refugee agency. How is THAT for irony, hmmm? :D

  58. NB Tory Gal says:

    The PM is not in hiding, contrary to comments here. He is travelling Canada. Visiting constituencies and other MP’s…making announcements, and GETTING THINGS DONE ! Next !!!! New Brunswick is one of his stops this week. So, he went to the west, now he is coming to the East. Try to keep up with us please.

  59. Michael Harkov says:

    That is good to hear NB Tory Gal, thank you for that. :) We just need to hear more of that, and having someone on the ground in places like your’s to communicate that is crucial, because the MSM isn’t exactly being helpful donchaknow.

  60. Bec says:

    Indeed, GREAT UPDATE and reminder, NB Tory Gal, thank you!

    And yes, the useless Canadian media has been on top of every bloody hot dog, hamburger and utterance of the ‘foot in mouth man’ and we are in the dark about the PM via the media.

    I receive many of my updates from FB and the PM website. Depending on the Ottawa Ostriches, is pointless!

  61. Richco says:

    “The PM is not in hiding, contrary to comments here. He is travelling Canada. Visiting constituencies and other MP’s…making announcements, and GETTING THINGS DONE ! Next !!!! New Brunswick is one of his stops this week. So, he went to the west, now he is coming to the East. Try to keep up with us please.”

    Thanks NB Tory Gal.

    I have to wonder if there is a link to the story of a few weeks ago when the fellow from our spy agency was making noises about terrorist links in Canada that are threaded through some levels of government? Was it the Tamil Tigers by any chance? There’s been mention of a Liberal MP from Ontario allegedly being at Tamil Tiger rallies etc.etc. One would expect that every connection would be checked and who better to know than our own spy agency.

    How fair is it that Gayle is welcome here to challenge the posters but I’m still on full moderation?

    • Joanne says:

      How fair is it that Gayle is welcome here to challenge the posters but I’m still on full moderation?

      Gayle is on moderation too, Richco.

  62. Jen says:

    Bubba Brown-”Watching the Tamils with their flag shut down one of our cities last summer was disgusting.”

    In my opinion, they are ‘not’ canadians. Never intended too except, use this soil to continue their own corruption against the most vulnerable who escaped from the brutality and it is these innocent people that the terrorists attack and control demanding their monies in order to support the terrorists back in Sri- Lanka with arms and ammunation..

    Innocent refugees who seek refuge in our country kiss the soil of their new home-not hold a foreign flag at the canadian government.

    When Kenney brought in a ‘tough’ immigration bill guess who decided to water down the bill, the opposition parties instead of they standing by the PM and Kenney in protecting our country.

  63. frmgrl says:

    When Kenney brought in a ‘tough’ immigration bill guess who decided to water down the bill, the opposition parties instead of they standing by the PM and Kenney in protecting our country.

    Yeah, the opposition are only concerned about their own parties not Canada. Thus the political games.

  64. maz2 says:

    Have you seen this in the MSM?

    Ziffy/McGuinty’s Green-Red AGW chops have been busted.

    …-

    “Here’s Elbows # 9: Getting the AGW Puck Outta Here, Gordy.

    “It’s the sheer spectacle that’s worth attending to.”

    …-

    “The McShane and Wyner Gordie Howe Treatment Of Mann”

    “Gordie Howe—Mr Hockey to you—didn’t need his stick, his hockey stick, to plaster his opponents against the boards. Nor did he have to wave his blade, Tim-Dr. Hook-McCracken1 style, in order to fill the other team with fear. No, sir. Old Number 9 relied almost solely on his elbows to raise temperatures on the ice and score goals.

    Statistically speaking, McShane and Wyner emulate Howe by applying a forearm check to the throat to Mann’s proxy reconstruction of temperature, cracking his hockey stick irreparably, leaving his models sprawling on the ice.

    Like old school players, McShane and Wyner start with a little trash talking, albeit using sophisticated phrasing: “In fact, Li et al. (2007) is highly unusual in the climate literature in that its authors are primarily statisticians.” And they quote Boss Wegman—who once picked on me, publicly in print, for being a prof. at a med. school, but I hold him no grudge; just don’t let me get him out on the ice—”While the literature is large, there has been very little collaboration with university-level, professional statisticians.” The authors also show off their team, my pal Tilmann Gneiting, as well as Larry Brown and Dean Foster, all men of statistical brilliance.

    But we can tell these taunts were included as a matter of form, thrown in because it is traditional. They don’t spend much time on them, and instead focus their efforts where it counts, exploiting Mann’s huge, gaping statistical five hole.

    There’s little point in summarizing the statistical methods the pair use to pummel Mann: the paper is not especially difficult and can be read by anybody. It’s also so that the boys haven’t said much new2, but what they do say, they say well and plainly. It’s the sheer spectacle that’s worth attending to.

    Hip check! “[A] random series that are independent of global temperature are as effective or more effective than the proxies at predicting global annual temperatures in the instrumental period. Again, the proxies are not statistically significant when compared to sophisticated null models”

    High stick to the chops! “[I]t is possible that the proxies are in fact too weakly connected to global annual temperature to offer a substantially predictive (as well as reconstructive) model over the majority of the instrumental period.”

    Scientific deke! “[T]he proxy record has some ability to predict the final thirty-year block, where temperatures have increased most significantly, better than chance would suggest.” Proxies and temperatures have less measurement error the closer to we are to now. This implies the relationship between proxies and temperature is not stationary, as is usually assumed. That means a model applied to data now won’t work for older data. And that means we should be even less certain.”

    http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=2773

    H/T:
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi

    (Please forward to PM Harper for inclusion in his hockey book. This is an historic time/news event/article for Canada and Canadian hockey.)

  65. Liz J says:

    If a tree falls in the forest and there’s no one around does it make a sound? Seems to be the mantra of the media, they simply virtually ignore the PM when he’s out and about the country so most of us are not aware of what he’s doing.

    They have no problem going after false stories to fed to them by the opposition and playing up their gotcha games, that’s something they can’t ignore.

    I still want him to book prime time to address this current mess, it’s critical that he does IMO.

  66. MaryT says:

    Something the PM will not do while in Easter’s riding is say, for all to hear, conservatives can do better than Easter, even tho it would be true.
    Easter upset that the PM is visiting his riding. NNW.
    It is the media who are in hiding whenever the PM appears, it is the media who ignore him, not the other way around.
    Perhaps the reason the PM has not made a stmt re the phony refugees is out of respect for Iggy losing his communication chief.

  67. Jen says:

    The national media are constantly interviewing TAMILS- something smells real bad which has nothing to do with the government. It has to do that the liberals support the tamil tigers therefore as the liberals have made it their entitlement to go on air regularly so can their friends the ‘Tamil tigers’ or the media has finally realize that they the media have no way out none what so ever-they are caught. What can the media say to the Tamils about canada and the protection of canada.

    Can you imagine the media suddenly showing their love for canada, innocent refugees and canadians; it is a joke a laugh and the TAMIL LTTE TIGERS KNOWS IT.

    The national media are afraid of the outcome and should be. they spent day and night attacking this government for the sake of the OPPOSITION PARTIES that favour all sorts of terrorist groups and if and when the media succeeds in helping to bring down the CONSERVATIVES- the media the opposition will be overtaken by the very groups they support.
    And if either the media or opposition parties dare go against those people-well, you know the rest of the story. It is not a happy picture to print but I am afraid it can happen which I think- will.

    You better that the PMSH and conervative party remain in government for the sake of our country-leaving or handing over our country to the OPPOSITION PARTIES and media will only bring disaster.

  68. Michael Harkov says:

    Jen mentioned something in the post previous about the Liberal’s connection to the Tamils. It makes for a VERY interesting (and once again, disturbing) read -

    “By 2000 the Toronto police Tamil Task Force estimated that Canada’s largest city was home to as many as 8,000 members of Tamil terrorist factions, most notably the Tigers,” he stated.

    “Following the arrest of a number of Canadians of Sri Lankan Tamil origin on charges of trying to procure arms for the Tamil Tigers, it should come as no surprise that the FBI has identified Canada as a major source of illegal fundraising to the terrorist group.

    The Tigers have been able to achieve this for two reasons. Firstly, the federal Liberal government, in an effort to bolster support in the Tamil community, refused to classify the Tigers as a terrorist group despite several recommendations from CSIS to do so.

    This gave the Tigers the freedom to intimidate and extort money from the same Tamil community whose support the Liberals sought.

    Again, here is that link -

    http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/2035

    ANYTHING that the Liberal party says on this issue is to be taken with a boulder of salt and should be immediatley dismissed.

  69. Sammy says:

    HEADS UP…JUST NOW ON CBC,ANNOUNCED THAT PMSH WILL BE SPEAKING LIVE SHORTLY FROM MISSISSAUGA..wonder if ctv will even cover it,and let the FULL presser run live?

  70. Sammy says:

    BTW,re ctv,watch Dan Matheson closely…he can barely conceal his contempt/disgust when speaking about the ‘Harper’ gov’t.

  71. wilson says:

    PMSH on CTV newsnet right now

  72. Fay says:

    I totally agree Sammy, but head of CTV is former Liberal staffer. I appears that devoted Liberal is a prerequisite for working for CTV.
    Mike Duffy… where is your tell all book?

  73. Sammy says:

    What’d I tell ya??ctv covered few seconds of PMSH and announcemt..gone to commercial..bastards.

  74. Sammy says:

    So pee’d off couldn’t even spell announcement correctly..cbc hasn’t had it on at all.

  75. Fay says:

    Thanks Joanne, only CP24 running prime Minister.
    Sammy, I am ashamed to say that Dan Matheson’s parents live in Brandon. They are wonderful people that have done a lot for our community.It is obvious that Dan Matheson worships the Liberal belief that all points west of Toronto is beneath contempt.

  76. maz2 says:

    No. No. No.

    No to the Liberals.

    No to the Tamils.

    No to the TORedStar.

    No to Liberal Garneau/Ziffy/Rae, et al.

    No the the Liberals’ compassion.

    No.

    Say No to the Liberals.

    No.

    …-

    “Liberals urge compassion for Tamil migrants

    The Liberals are urging the Harper government to show more compassion for the boatload of Tamil migrants who landed in British Columbia last week.

    Liberal MP Marc Garneau says that since the MV Sun Sea arrived last Friday, the government has been fixated on suspicions that the ship is part of an organized human smuggling ring and that some of its passengers may be terrorists.

    Garneau is urging Public Safety Minister Vic Toews to “lower the tone” of the government’s rhetoric.”

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/848825–liberals-urge-compassion-for-tamil-migrants

  77. wilson says:

    In 15 minutes, soon to be ex Vet Ombudsman is holding a press,
    bet he gets full coverage, as he is on the attack against the Harper Govt.

  78. Sammy says:

    Had exact same thot wilson! Matheson will be all tingly-legged getting ready to try and smear PMSH.

  79. Michael Harkov says:

    One thing I’ve noticed is the Toronto Star using the terms “migrant” and “refugee” interchangeably? Why, do they even mean the same thing? -

    mi·grant (mgrnt)
    n.
    One that moves from one region to another by chance, instinct, or plan.

    ref·u·gee (rfy-j)
    n.
    One who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political oppression, or religious persecution.

    The Toronto Star – ever the agenda, all Liberal, all the time.

  80. wilson says:

    ps, 69% of Vets approved the changes Ombudsman is fighting.
    Now injured soldiers get one time cash settlement of $250,000, and 75% of their pension monthly, until retirement age of 65

  81. Liz J says:

    Is Marc Garneau an expert on immigration and weighty matters that governments have to attend to and deal with because he spent time in space?

    He seems to have plenty of space between his ears by the rhetoric coming out of his mush of late. He’d be wise to lower his own tone until he has a clue about what’s really going on. It’s one thing for us to speculate and banter back and forth but the MSM give him full coverage and therein lies a danger of facts getting skewed for public consumption.

    On the Vet Ombussman, he should remain, he’s terrific in his post according to the Vets. They want him to remain so he should stay, there’s still a lot lacking in how we treat those who serve this country as members of the armed forces.

  82. Fay says:

    There you go people… CBC running news conference with Prim Minister live. CTV nothing!!!

  83. Richco says:

    PM’s hard at work

    Public events for August 18, 2010

    August 17, 2010
    Ottawa, Ontario

    Public events for Prime Minister Stephen Harper for Wednesday, August 18th are:

    Waterville, Nova Scotia

    10:35 a.m. – Prime Minister Stephen Harper will make an announcement at Michelin Canada. He will be joined by Greg Kerr, Member of Parliament for West Nova.

    Michelin Canada
    866 Randolph Rd
    Waterville, Nova Scotia
    B0P 1V0

    *Open to media.

    Notes:

    . Media are required to present proper identification for accreditation.
    . Registration in guest parking lot.
    . Media are requested to register no later than 9:50 a.m.
    . Media will be transported by shuttle from guest parking lot to site.
    . No live media.

    Lunenburg, Nova Scotia

    2:00 p.m. – Prime Minister Stephen Harper will participate in a photo opportunity related to the following announcement.

    *Photo opportunity only (photographers and cameras only).

    Fisheries Museum of the Atlantic
    68 Bluenose Drive
    Lunenburg, Nova Scotia
    B0J 2C0

    Notes:

    . Media are required to present proper identification for accreditation.
    . Media registration will be held at the public entrance of the museum.
    . Media are requested to register no later than 1:30 p.m.
    . Photographers and cameras will be shuttled to the photo opportunity site from the public entrance of the museum.
    . Media should arrive early as parking is limited.

    2:25 p.m. – Prime Minister Stephen Harper will make an announcement at the Fisheries Museum of the Atlantic. He will be joined by Darrel Dexter, Premier of Nova Scotia and Gerald Keddy, Member of Parliament for South Shore-St. Margaret’s.

    Fisheries Museum of the Atlantic
    68 Bluenose Drive
    Lunenburg, Nova Scotia
    B0J 2C0

    * Open to Media

    Notes:

    . Media are required to present proper identification for accreditation.
    . Media registration will be held at the public entrance of the museum.
    . Media are requested to register no later than 1:30 p.m.
    . Live media are to bring extra cable.

    New Ross, Nova Scotia

    5:00 p.m. – Prime Minister Stephen Harper address the Nova Scotia Members’ Reception. He will be joined by Gerald Keddy, Member of Parliament for South Shore-St. Margaret’s; Greg Kerr, Member of Parliament for West Nova, and Scott Armstrong, Member of Parliament for Cumberland-Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley.

    Forties Community Centre
    1787 Forties Rd
    New Ross, Nova Scotia
    B0J 2M0

    *Open to media (for remarks only)

    Notes:

    . Media are required to present proper identification for accreditation.
    . Media registration will be in the parking lot of Forties Community Centre.
    . Media are requested to register no later than 4:45 p.m.

  84. Michael Harkov says:

    Fay, they just left Harper’s presser so they can “analyze” what is being discussed with the other pressers by Garneau and a veteran.

    Funny, eh, that Liberals say that Ignatieff has been on the scene all summer while Harper supposedly hides, yet now that there is a press conference from the leader of our country, their proxies in the media hardly bother covering it.

    *sigh* Whatever……….

  85. Richco says:

    Stephen Taylor’s got a terrific post up re: how the CBC torques things. Stephen also gives bloggers a HUGE hint at tracking those CBC types.

  86. Richco says:

    PM helps kick off construction of Mississauga Bus Rapid Transit corridor

    August 17, 2010
    Mississauga, Ontario

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper today marked the start of construction of the Mississauga Bus Rapid Transit corridor at a groundbreaking ceremony on the Mississauga transit campus. He was joined by Bob Dechert, Member of Parliament for Mississauga-Erindale.

    “We want to ensure commuters get to work on time and get home to their families at the end of the workday as quickly and as safely as possible,” said Prime Minister Harper. “Improving the flow of people and goods across the GTA is good for commuters, the economy and the environment because it means shorter commute times, increased productivity and improved air.”

    Once complete, the 18-kilometre east-west rapid transit corridor across the City of Mississauga will improve both local and inter-regional bus operations in the Greater Toronto Area.

    “Over the last year and a half, we have accelerated some of the GTA public transit and transportation infrastructure projects as part of Canada’s Economic Action Plan,” said the Prime Minister. “These projects have created jobs and stimulated economic growth during the global economic recession.”

    Government of Canada funding for this project is provided through the Canada Strategic Infrastructure Fund and is part of FLOW, the Government of Canada’s long-term transportation action plan for the Greater Toronto Area. The Province of Ontario and the City of Mississauga are also contributing to the project.

  87. Fay says:

    Donolo is definitely running CTV.

  88. wilson says:

    from today’s presser (2 whole paragraphs…)

    ‘..Speaking at a news conference in Mississauga, Ont., on Tuesday, Mr. Harper added that the government will “not hesitate to strengthen the laws if we have to” in order to prevent more ships from coming to Canada.

    “We are responsible for the security of our borders, and the ability to welcome people, or not welcome people, when they come,” he said. “This trend gives us some significant concern, and we’ll take whatever steps are necessary going forward.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/pm-takes-hard-line-on-tamil-migrants/article1676011/

  89. frmgrl says:

    Donolo is definitely running CTV.

    You can say that again,Fay. Our lame stream media and opposition will destroy this country if we allow them. They won’t be happy until they can get their Liberals back in power and all the good things that the Conservatives have done for Canada are torn down one by one.

  90. Gabby in QC says:

    For those wondering about the PM’s exact whereabouts & activities, here’s a list:
    http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?category=1&pageId=26&featureId=6

    If anyone else is interested in receiving those notices, you can sign up here for email updates:
    http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/Subscribe.asp?pageId=32&featureId=10

  91. Fay says:

    Ezra levant coming up on Roy Green ( Charles Adler)

  92. Richco says:

    Thank-you Gerry Nicholls for featuring Sandy’s writing on liberaspost! Well deserved.

  93. maz2 says:

    Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner’s Scrap the Registry.

    “Summer Tour

    Churchill – August 12th

    Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca, – September 6th

    Yukon – September 7-9th

    Northern Ontario – September 15th –20th (More details to come)

    Debate in the House of Commons – September 21st

    Vote – September 22nd

    http://www.scraptheregistry.ca./

  94. Sandy Crux says:

    Further to NB Tory Gal at 11:58 am, PM Harper is making three or four stops in Southern Ontario today in my neck of the woods. Very busy. Just shows you how much the media report on what he is doing.

    I have read all these comments but I am not sure most Canadians are paying that much attention to this issue. Which may explain why there are so few posts on the topic on BT. I know I won’t write on it because I am a progressive conservative and don’t feel comfortable with some of the thoughts here. Remember, the Conservative Party is made up of all of us small “c” conservatives. Also remember that each and every one of us, apart from those who are Aboriginal, were refugees or immigrants, or descendants of them, and yes, some paid their way to get here. Remember too, that the Irish had a network in Canada that supported the IRA for decades.

    In other words, there but the grace of God go I.

    Meaning, there won’t be an election on this issue.

  95. Richco says:

    Sandy wrote “Further to NB Tory Gal at 11:58 am, PM Harper is making three or four stops in Southern Ontario today in my neck of the woods. Very busy. Just shows you how much the media report on what he is doing.”

    And yet despite not getting media coverage (and the PM knows this before he starts his days) he soldiers on and keeps doing his job. Media coverage means nothing these days – just look at the numbers watching TV and the viewer numbers.

    I agree – no election.

    Also, all of this is once again taking the spot light off of provincial politics here in Ontario.
    Hudak’s had some terrific pressers and it’s the local media…not many of the regionals reporting how he’s going after the LHINs hard.

    Great job getting picked up by Libertas too by the way.

  96. Liz J says:

    Sandy, do you think it may be because immigration since the early nineties has been non-European,people with whom we, or they, have little or no history? On top of that our policies here allow them to ghettoize, in fact they encourage it. That is not conducive to a strong, unified country.

    More than ever before we have elements in this country who may be supporting warring factions in their homelands and far worse, threatening terrorist acts on our soil.

    The IRA is an example, but we have a better dialogue and insight due to our history with Ireland than we could ever have from most of those of the last two decades.

    Have we created an immigration monster? Only time will tell.

    We also have taken in more immigrants per capita than any other nation.

  97. wilson says:

    After watching the presser of our Vet Ombudsman, I’m thinking that a 3 year term should be the limit, due to the high stress of the position.
    And for those who don’t want the $250,000 one time payout, why not give vets the option of a straight monthly for life? The younger vets maybe better served with that option.

  98. Darcy Meyers says:

    I actually think there may be a more practical solution to this issue. Rather than invoke the NW clause, or try and emulate an Australian solution-why don’t we partner with Australia to provide a legal control point for refugees from that part of the World.

    I just put up a post on it.

  99. wilson says:

    Andrew Coyne wrote a piece today, saying Conservatives are the party of stupid, because we don’t worship experts and intellects……

    Cons MPs want citizens to come to committee to balance off the experts and intellects who think citizens are stupid to think any question is too personal for the experts and intellects to ask….Opps call balanced debate a stalling tactic.

    “They’re the ones that are getting asked the questions and being forced under threat of fines and jail time to answer them, so absolutely it’s appropriate for individual Canadians to appear before committee.”

  100. maz2 says:

    “The left has collapsed.”

    “Progressive” conservatives are in tears? Tsktsk …

    Liberal Ziffy and O, Ziffy’s O’Harvard buddy, know this.

    ““We will be launching new products in the next several months to help people all over the country F*ck Tea,” Payne told Politico.”

    “The “f*ck tea” movement—that’s what the left has come to.”

    Say No! to left-liberalism-progressivism.

    …-

    “Collapse

    The left is unpopular, undisciplined, and ill-tempered.

    The left has collapsed.

    Its political support has collapsed. Public opinion polls point to a historic repudiation of the president and the Democratic party this fall—something on the order of a 60-seat Republican gain in the House. The GOP has an outside shot at taking the Senate as well.

    Its claim to intellectual integrity has collapsed. Paul Krugman—Ivy League professor, New York Times columnist, and Nobel laureate (the holy trinity of the liberal establishment)—has humiliated himself with a startlingly dishonest attack on Paul Ryan’s budget proposal. Krugman, called out by Ryan, rebuked by honest analysts, and unwilling to concede his errors, has retreated into uncharacteristic abashed silence.

    Its Leninist discipline has collapsed. Last week, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs complained about the craziness of the “professional left” in the punditocracy. “Those people ought to be drug tested,” Gibbs explained. “They will be satisfied when we have Canadian health care and we’ve eliminated the Pentagon. That’s not reality. .  .  . They wouldn’t be satisfied if Dennis Kucinich was president.” Members of the professional left hit back at Gibbs, dubbing the Obama White House the “amateur left.”

    Its democratic credibility has collapsed. In recent weeks, the left has the arbitrary rulings and sophistic arguments of federal judges who have overturned an immigration statute that mirrors federal law passed by the state legislature in Arizona, and a constitutional amendment, defining marriage as it has been defined for all of American history, enacted by the citizens of California. The left has also heaped praise on New York mayor Michael Bloomberg, as he, having bought his way to a narrow reelection, showered disdain and contempt on the majority of his fellow New Yorkers who object to a mosque next to Ground Zero.”

    “And its good humor (such as it was) has collapsed. As Politico’s Ben Smith reported last week,

    the Agenda Project, a new, progressive group with roots in New York’s fundraising scene and a goal of strengthening the progressive movement, has launched the “F*ck Tea” project, which is aimed, the group’s founder Erica Payne wrote in an e-mail this morning, “to dismiss the Tea Party and promote the progressive cause.”

    “We will be launching new products in the next several months to help people all over the country F*ck Tea,” Payne told Politico.

    Is Erica Payne a loony nobody? No, she’s a lefty somebody—a former Democratic National Committee official, a veteran of many progressive groups, and one of the founders of the Democracy Alliance, the group of big donors who have spent over $100 million to fund “progressive” organizations like the Center for American Progress.

    Payne says she launched her effort to push back against “the rhetoric over results paradigm that is holding our country hostage.” She wasn’t being ironic. As the estimable Allahpundit commented, “Because, you see, if there’s any movement that’s about results over rhetoric, it’s clearly the f*ck tea movement.”

    The “f*ck tea” movement—that’s what the left has come to. They can’t defend the results of Obama’s policies or the validity of Krugman’s arguments. They know it’s hard to sustain an antidemocratic ethos in a democracy. They realize they’ve degenerated into pro-am levels of whining and squabbling. So they curse their opponents.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/collapse

  101. Liz J says:

    Darcey, didn’t PM Harper say today we are consulting with Australia on this mutual dilemma?

    It’s not a simple matter for us, it’s a simple matter for those who wish to take advantage of our easy entry and policies which are well known around the world.

  102. Darcy says:

    Liz…I never heard that, but that is what I was suggesting. We may be able to work with them, and their Christmas island solution to direct refugees to. That way we provide refuge, and a legal control point. It also respects our international commitments and could justify keeping these boats off our shore by providing them with an avenue.

  103. rose says:

    Wilsom VA isn’t providing the services they promised they’d provide, they’ve passed on the vets care to the provinces and if your disabled status changes it takes VA 10 months to a year or more to even process the claim. People are not being provided with medical care, medical supplies, medical treatment or other necessary items like specialized shoes and such. VA has become a bureacracy that seems to process paper whilst ignoring the vets. It needs to be gutted of snivel servants and replaced with vets who can relate to those who they are suppose to be serving and aiding. An insurance company can process thousands of claims a week but it take VA a year or more to process someone already getting a pityful disability cheque, people are paying out of pocket if they can afford to do so for the services the VA is legally suppose to provide. Making people wait for disabilty cheques a year or more, could anyone expect those people to financially survive a year long stalling tactic?

  104. Liz J says:

    This Veteran’s Affairs flare-up is not new, it’s been sadly neglected for years of Liberal rule as well. Mulroney has no bragging rights either, IMO.

    It’s not an excuse, but this government has done so much to improve things re our military but they can’t right years of neglect in such short order. I’m betting they will do more as it becomes feasible. The vets are not going to take it lying down and the government may well speed things up, it’s called the squeaky wheel syndrome, all governments sit up and take note.

  105. Fay says:

    i thought Ezra Levant and Sharry Aiken had a productive debate on Evan Soloman’s show today. Professor Aiken looks a lot like David Aiken. Is that a coincidence?

  106. Tripper523 says:

    I realize this thread is about run its course, but I’m here to briefly expound on this Tamil topic in layman’s terms…We, nor the government, are “anti-immigrant”. This nation is founded by and comprised of none other than immigrants. However, it isn’t wrong to tighten up our reputation as an Open Doors / Open Shores do-good nation which weakens our infrastructural services as overwhelming numbers seek to enter Canada. Patronizing the enterprising pirates of this human export debacle is demoralizing to the prospective host nation (us) and conveys pie-in-the-sky for the oppressed within the so-called have-not countries. Kudos to PM Stephen Harper, who well represents the majority sentiment when he takes a hard line on any who assume acceptance here simply because they show up.

  107. NB Tory Gal says:

    Thank you for pointing out to me that the media and news agents are not covering our PM..what other PM has had to put up with this…I ask you…yet as suggested here he soldiers on… right on !!! That is what Canada needs. Walk through the pain and dissent and do it anyway…

    Yes Bob Rae is a tamil supporter and maryt points out that sri lanka asked him to leave because of that … MP Mawli or something similar to that went to a rally on parliament hill and told the tamil group assembled there that he was with them… whether that means the rebel tamils…but I think a lot of the representatives of that were there…

    Tripper523 makes sense to me… I am with you on that.

    The Prime Minister is in New Brunswick in my part of the country on thursday Aug.19 –it is a bbq event where I am…and I know he is also going to the miramichi to make an announcement there…

    Thank you to all for your points of view ! and now back to packing… that is my mindset these days…

  108. wilson says:

    Rose,
    Ombudsman Pat Stogran has 3 months left to raise a stink over the VA bureacracy, and I hope he does.
    PMSH knew Stogran’s charactoristics when he appointed him, and he is doing as expected.
    So maybe this will put the squeeze on some of the 1200 bureacrats sitting in PEI (looking out the window?).

    Just the fact the VA is in PEI instead of Ottawa tells yah there is too much politics going on.

  109. Liz J says:

    Wilson: “Just the fact the VA is in PEI instead of Ottawa tells yah there is too much politics going on”.

    A veteran I know mentioned the same thing!

  110. Bubba Brown says:

    Yup P.E.I. gets Veterans Affairs, Did they not also get the gun registry? I know if I had an issue with E.I. overpayment etc. the cheque goes to Quebec. I guess it is just a couple more Liberal Messes to clean up. Takes 10 months for a wounded Veteran to get looked after? Fix this mess PM Harper! Just not good enough for our Brave Troops.

  111. Alberta Girl says:

    “Liberal MP Marc Garneau says that since the MV Sun Sea arrived last Friday, the government has been fixated on suspicions that the ship is part of an organized human smuggling ring and that some of its passengers may be terrorists.

    Garneau is urging Public Safety Minister Vic Toews to “lower the tone” of the government’s rhetoric.””

    I would guarantee you that if the Harper gov’t came out saying we needed to welcome these people, Marc Garneau, the rest of the opposition and the media would be hooting and hollering that he should have stopped the ship!

    Damned if he does; damned if he doesn’t!!!!

  112. Sammy says:

    MUST READ…Don Martin’s column at Full CommentéNatPost on this veterans affairs guy..seems there IS more to the story,and Donny is actually calling him out on a few things.Will the msm pick up on it….not bloody likely!

  113. wilson says:

    And the civil servant that said this to Stogran must be FIRED:

    ‘…But the federal ombudsman only realized the enormity of the battle he was fighting after a recent conversation with a civil servant who watches over the government’s purse.

    “I was told … that it is in the government’s best interests to have soldiers killed overseas rather than wounded because the liability is shorter term,” Stogran said….

    (Toronto Star..I won’t link to them)

    Cant’ remember the details, but this govt is giving the spouses of fallen soldiers a chance at civil servant jobs,
    how about them filling the need for ‘door knockers’ as Pat Stogran called them,
    people to do face to face visits with vets. Right now there are only 400 to watch over 10′s of thousands of vets and widows/children.

  114. Norm says:

    Agree with most of what has been said already, but I gotta say…

    Time for Harper to pee or get off the pot.

    If the census issue is so damn important for Jackie Layton to demand Parliament to be recalled, then this must be a dire catastrophe.

    On the other hand. I don’t know if it because I have friends who just don’t want to tell me what they think or they don’t care or they don’t even know, this evening at a BBQ, every time I tried to bring up the “refugees” or the census issue, not a bite. And I tried.

    So maybe nobody’s listening to Iggy either.

  115. Norm says:

    Totally off topic but I have a question for my friends in British Columbia.

    Are you really hitching the anti GST ride to Bill Vander Zalm?

    I have never seen a deader economy than when I (reluctantly) left BC in 1987 in no small part to that morons policies and ethical principles.

    And ya, I voted Socred. Silly me.

  116. Liz J says:

    How many outside of those involved really know what’s going on with the Vets and their affairs?

    Stogran is feisty, he’s passionate, crusty, whatever, but he’s dealing close-up with Vets and see’s their needs. Question is, can there ever really be enough to compensate them?

    Who is playing politics here? Bureaucrats in Veteran’s Affairs? The media certainly will be.

    Speaking of playing politics, anyone else getting sick of space guy Garneau mouthing off about the current boatload of supposed “refugees”? Man he’s tiresome and thick.

  117. rose says:

    I’am living the VA nightmare, do I blame Harper no I blame VA and it’s over staffed bureacracy who seem incapable of doing the job they are paid to do. VA needs to be gutted of the snivel servants and then hire disabled vets, perhaps then a level of empathy, compassion and humanity will be part of the VA’s services. I feel nothing but utter contempt and disgust towards VAs.

    I’d interested in the stats regarding how many VA applicants commit suicide whilst rotting away on their processing list.

    • Joanne says:

      Rose @ 9:59 am – Thanks for your input. Always good to hear from someone directly affected. Unfortunately I don’t have time to devote a whole new post to this topic but please continue to discuss it here. In a way it’s all related isn’t it?

      I mean we seem to treat the illegals better than our vets.

  118. Liz J says:

    Lowell Green is attacking people like Garneau and Dipper Dewer who think we should show more compassion towards those who arrived on what Green calls the “Miracle Ship”.

  119. Bubba Brown says:

    “I Have A Dream” That one day in this Canada of ours our returning Veterans will be met by a Civil Servant with an umbrella, who will look after his or her every need who would ensure their famlies are helped.

    The civil service in this Country is full of entitled bureaucrats, who are only interested in the process not the outcome. They are in their jobs for life with indexed pensions. The hiring preference going to bilingual, ethnic minorities, an “entrenched elite”. I want to see that change.

    The census non-story where a senior bureaucrat would rather quit then listen to his boss is typical, it sure ain’t no “Tragedy” only 5,999 to go. I don’t know about the rest of you but when I work for someone they call the shots.

    The media in this country by pretending the “Home Invaders” on the Tamil Tanker are “refugees or migrants” instead of Trespassers or terrorist supporters, are just using this as another excuse to portray the Conservatives as mean and uncaring. Their endless portrayal of Omar showing his baby pictures instead of the one with him showing off the severed hands and feet or instructing IED 101 on the Taliban video.

    I think if there was ever a time to put the cards on the table it is NOW. The vast majority of Canadians are outraged by our country being invaded by freeloaders posing as refugees.
    The only ones who care about the faux refugees are the dippers and the Liberals under Iffy, if they vote down the Government over a strong motion from the Conservatives, I think they will pay the price at the ballot box.

    I don’t think there could be a better issue or a clearer path to a majority.

    Either we become “Hotel Canada” with umbrella totin’ flunkey’s for every scamming migrant who show up or we grow a pair and set ground rules for immigration.

    If the VA won’t help our Brave Troops Well Fire. Them. All.

  120. Ticlked says:

    Time to use the “clause”,which was insisted upon by 3 western premiers so that the courts could not hi-jack democracy,which,in effect has happened.I just cannot afford them anymore,from 10B a year in 1990 to 20B+ now.Havent got the money and taxed to oblivion.Not a matter of being “a good Canadian(ie leftist),just cant afford them.

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