The idea that a pollster could be biased does not seem all that incredible to me. Look at Peter Donolo.
The important and ethical thing here is that any bias should be fully disclosed by a company that chooses to use their polling information and analysis, such as the CBC.
An EKOS poll should be presented with a reminder that Frank Graves of EKOS has donated over $11,000 to the Liberal Party of Canada since 2001, and a mere $449.04 to Paul Benoit, the Conservative candidate for Ottawa Vanier, in 2006. [Source: Sun - Federal Tories question CBC's impartiality]
And that should roughly indicate the percentage of his bias right there. If you make significant donations to a party over a long period of time, it means you support them.
But why is a public broadcaster using such a questionable source for their polling information anyway?
I agree with Kory Teneycke (and Springer) on last night’s Power and Politics [cue 44:20 mark]
Frank Graves’ analysis should always be presented with a disclaimer of his donation bias – if they continue to use them at all.
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Update
It’s now on YouTube!
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And Frank Graves just keeps digging himself in deeper here (H/T JDot):
“In reflection, it was inappropriate and I should have used more measured terms and I don’t think the Prime Minister’s racist or a homophobe, nor do I think members of his cabinet or his caucus are,” he told The Globe.
“I do believe, and this gets more subtle, that there is a higher incidence of people who are less tolerant to homosexuals and more wary of other races, within the Conservative Party. I can demonstrate that empirically.”
“That does not mean that Conservatives or Albertans are homophobic or xenophobic, but it does mean that many people, and more people statistically that have those points of view, end up in that party than in other places. That may be a statement that people don’t want to hear, but it’s empirically accurate and has been for a long time.”
Chris Selley – From the Department of Inadequate Explanations (H/T JDot):
...Wowsers. Really? So when I inferred from Mr. Graves’ own words — which, you will note, he has not denied uttering — that “I told them that they should invoke a culture war” that he’d told them (the Liberals) that they should invoke a culture war, I fell below some standard of reading comprehension? For the record, I have duly considered this suggestion and rejected it.
UPDATE: Lawrence Martin responds: “The quote is exactly as Frank gave it to me. ‘I told them…’ meaning the Liberals.”
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Saturday Update
EKOS pollster tries to stamp out incendiary comment – Sun:
…Kevin Gaudet, the federal director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, said he and his supporters take offence to Graves’ comments and his backhanded apology.
“It’s that kind of language from central Canadians that agitates Westerners and rural Canadians,” he said. “And they are sick and tired of hearing that kind of divisive approach to politics.”
People shouldn’t be labelled for taking a certain position on an issue, nor should they be dismissed automatically as racist or homophobic, Gaudet said, adding he wonders if Graves has “ever stepped foot on a farm in his life.”
“I think he needs to get out from behind his desk and tour the rest of the country, recognize the borders of Canada go beyond Toronto and Ottawa,” Gaudet said.
State of the CBC: Tear it all down – Lorne Gunter, Post
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Sunday Update
Eric takes up Riley’s challenge – Life among the homophobes. Don’t miss it! Stephen Taylor calls it a “great rebuttal to Graves.”
And Sandy has her own excellent rebuttal – Memo to Frank Graves: Harper gov’t serves ALL Canadians.
So take that Frank Graves!
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Tuesday Update
MP wants Liberal Party, Graves relationship probed – Toronto Sun:
A Conservative MP wants a parliamentary committee to probe the relationship between the Liberal Party and CBC pollster Frank Graves. Peterborough’s Dean Del Mastro filed a notice of motion for the heritage committee to hold hearings with testimony from Graves and CBC and Liberal officials...
Graves’ mistake – Calgary Herald
tori asks (previous post)
“what constitutes the central values, the core values of canadians…and how they’re drifting”
drifting to the RIGHT. Canadians are slowly and incrementally drifting to the RIGHT of centre.
Thanks to the CBC and this latest it now opens the discussion of disclosure at all media networks and print media.
Let’s have at it folks. Ezra is dead right!
All of the puff and fluff of Ignatieff’s move to the left is going to prove to be another blunder because, and I’m hoping that there’s no way, no how that Jack and his NDP will let that happen.
Please check out the National Post’s offering “Ignatieff’s brand new mistake” and witness again how this failed leader of the LPOC is sputtering to dive the party into the depths of loserville for a while yet.
CBC only promotes disclosure if you are not a Liberal! I think Canadians can safely assume everyone else is a Liberal.
Frank Graves definitely promoted the prorogation protests. Ha , Graves challenges anyone to prove he was not fair and balanced at anytime in his analysis. Maybe Terry Milewski will dig into that???? Do pigs fly?
Red flags shot up when he stated he was entitled! Definitely a Liberal…
Will we see another EKOS poll at the cbc. Will Graves lose a major source of income.
Will Graves be invited back to PP.
Will Evan cool his liberal bias.
Way to go Kory! It is time for the CBC and its pollsters to come clean with all their bias reporting.
Let bloggers like BLY, keep them accountable too, and cut the funding for the CBC, bring Fox news to Canada.
Maybe he’s hoping for a senatorship along with Lizzie May when the Fibs get back in power…
Frank Graves tells Kory that the Conservatives aren’t calling him these days but, according to Ezra’s most recent post, when the Liberal party was in power they called him at least 1,600 times to the tune of $61,000,000 worth of business.
Sounds to me like reason enough for Graves to want the Liberals back in power.
I think it’s time for a public inguiry into CBC and it’s management and employees’ relationships with the Liberal Party of Canada. It’s despicable that CBC can fluant their lib biasness on taxpayer’s dime. I think CBC is in violation of sound journalistic ethics, let the hearings begin.
Will Graves be required/ordered to produce every contract awarded to EKOS via the liberals when they were in power and during the past years in opposition.
If Jaffer has to produce documents why not Graves. And how about all the lobbying by MP Derrik Lee.
It was obvious last month when Graves was saying the Libs should call an election because it was their best chance to “get rid of this guy”. This guy being PM Harper, of course.
It warmed my heart this morning to find over at Kady’s blog a published statement from Frank Graves saying he has nothing to do with the Liberal Party. He pinky swears. And I’m glad the CBC is on the case and has resolved this issue so speedily. Freeing them up to get back to the Jaffer/Guergis gong show.
http://tinyurl.com/24myldy
Liberals have been using the ‘culture war’ tactics for sometime, with the media’s helpful hands.
It’s finally out there in black and white now.
Kinda liberating, eh!
I have now watched the Teneyke/Graves scrum 3 times and found one glaring thing. Graves, is unapologetic for the divisive advice given to his fellow Liberals. In other words he believes it and sees nothing inappropriate about it.He truly believes that because he doesn’t have a Liberal membership, he’s off the hook.
What is troubling about his advise, it’s the way conservatives (and their regions) have felt Liberals viewed them,pathetically unjustified and through the uneducated, inaccurate attacks, Liberals, both civilians and politicians have ridiculed and disrespected Western conservatives for decades.
Where have we seen this same rationalization of ones behaviour before? How often is this behaviour tossed under the rug and ignored by media after a mere few days?
The destruction of a career and reputation, should it be a conservative is painful and quick. We have many example.
People like Graves just pick themselves up, brush themselves off and knock on the door of the next Liberal enabler.
Don’t believe me? Just look at Scott Reid and the names will start popping in your head.
That will occur here too but in the meantime we have another generation of Liberal MP’s dividing the country and not being held accountable for it. Not now or ever.
I have now watched the Teneyke/Graves scrum 3 times and found one glaring thing. Graves, is unapologetic for the divisive advice given to his fellow Liberals.
That’s true Bec. His advice is appalling. The Liberals would be foolish to follow it but it appears that they are with Mr. Z’s whip on the longgun registry vote, among other issues.
Oh I guess Graves was forced to issue an apology of sorts after all. (Just catching up here. Whew! You guys have been busy.)
he did not say “shifting” which would be using a less biased, less value laden word.
he used “drifting”, which does imply a negative conotation…which I take offense with.
Miz Kady… LIB CBC MOUTHPIECE..has just posted Graves ‘apology’ and explanation for his comments.I say,NOT good enough.I want none of my tax dollars paying for this garbage.BTW,SDA has some good cbc stuff posted.
Watching QP,and this lib ‘culture of deceipt’ crap is getting tiresome..so,Poliievre springs back with the line,that ONLY the libs would view no one getting any money a ‘scandal’..he uses the line ‘culture of repeat!’ love him!
Kory Teneycke Rocks. It was sad when he left the PMO, but having him in the lions den is awesome.
Kudos to Evan Solomon for at least doing this segment with Graves and Kory. Here is the youtube clip Joanne of the segment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pshjUYOVnM
One thing I find strange, is that Graves doesn’t poll on leadership. We know about Nanos’s leadership index, with it’s “trust”, “competence” and “vision” components. Nik tracked the leadership index daily, during the last election campaign.
I’ve heard both Nanos and Bruce Anderson say that “trust” is the most important of those components. That makes a lot of sense to me, because most political issues are so complicated, that it comes down to whether a voter trusts that the leader can handle them (competence comes in here too).
Maybe Graves DOES poll on leadership too, I haven’t waded through the weekly Ekos .pdf files to find out. He certainly doesn’t comment on leadership very much. So there is a nagging suspicion that Graves is spinning polling results in as Liberal-friendly way as possible. Note also how he likes to point out that no political party has been over one-third for a record length of time.
Kady O’Malley put up her defense of Frank Graves. It was one sentence long. Considering how much time she’s spent in the last 4 months micro analyzing his polls, she can’t be too pleased that the integrity of his polling has fallen into dispute. How can Graves honestly boast about the accuracy of his polls when he has the Green Party at 12.6%? If Vegas casinos took bets on Canadian election results, if you walked in to one and bet the Greens to get 12.6% of the popular vote in the next election, you’d get at least 100 to 1 odds, if not 200 to 1.
To those people concerned about this potential violation of the CBC’s Ethical standards, the person to contact is the Ombudsman (ombudsman@cbc.ca) whose job it is to take complaints from the public regarding these ethical standards.
As it says on the CBC corporate website:
“The Ombudsman generally intervenes only when a correspondent deems a response from a representative of the Corporation unsatisfactory and so informs the Office of the Ombudsman who determines whether the journalistic process or the broadcast involved in the complaint did, in fact, violate the Corporation’s journalistic policies and standards.”
So he “apologized”????? What an idiot….does he think that that makes his statements all OK. He tries to say they were misunderstood??
Watch for this to be a one hour story – later today – back to Rahim and Helena!
You have got to read post at SDA on PMSH and other leaders re gun registry! Layton tells interviewer he ‘went duck hunting with a .22 !’check out comments,hilarious.
Re the Graves apology…EXACTLY as predicted!
Nothing to see here folks, move on…..now WHERE is one of those redneck, homophobic,autocratic,angry conservatives. We have a career to destroy and we are one day behind!
(big sarcasm…big,big,big but how true hey?!)
Ezra has some more harsh words for Mr. Graves
http://ezralevant.com/2010/04/liberalcbc-pollster-frank-grav.html
Frank Graves keeps digging..
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/pollster-frank-graves-apologizes-denies-anti-tory-bias/article1544593/
“I do believe, and this gets more subtle, that there is a higher incidence of people who are less tolerant to homosexuals and more wary of other races, within the Conservative Party. I can demonstrate that empirically”
Why is my Tax dollars going to this guy.
“I do believe, and this gets more subtle, that there is a higher incidence of people who are less tolerant to homosexuals and more wary of other races, within the Conservative Party. I can demonstrate that empirically”
Which tells me he hasn’t really apologized at all.
Oh, an apology,poor fella, now he’s into damage control after he got Teneyked.
OT, but Easter has just finished making a speech about protecting public from young offenders-used culture of defeat, said govt would rather create jail space instead of childcare spaces-and generally making a fool of himself again.
Oh, he is on his feet again. Daycare and childcare would prevent society from these offenders. OH, he just said the govt cares nothing for farmers. Don’t care about farmers just like they don’t care for the people they throw in jail.
Now Szabo is saying the govt is more interested in getting votes instead of crime prevention. Sure lots of empty seats to hear Easter.
Enough, back to Rutherford.
Oh, it is a good thing the AB govt quit funding sex change operations or I would apply so I could be a cranky old man instead of a very cranky old lady.
Right Joanne – isn’t very typical of how most of the Liberal shenanigans play out so far as they sink deeper and deeper into Noonecaresville.
Hmmmm- Frank Graves advises the Liberals to start a culture war amongst Canadians for electoral gain.
Then voila! The new Liberal slogan against the Conservatives is “A Culture of Deceipt”.
And Graves claims that he is not coaching the Liberals directly??? How about indirectly as in best buddies with Peter Donolo.
Shall we not all scream for all evidence of any meeting Graves has had with any Liberal at any time?
And, his firm got $61 million in government contracts under the Liberals directly from Chuck Guite. Should the media not already be scouring files to dig up whether or not these were untendered or this guy got preferential treatment.?
Or is that kiind of outrage and innuendo and expose just reserved for conservative Canadians? You know – the ones Graves says are worthy of scorn- espeically those angry white guys in Alberta who don’t matter anyways?
The G&M article states that the cbc is paying Kory, but fail to say whether Graves and other guests are paid.
Joanne,
This would be a great time for blogs like yourself to prove Graves wrong. The Liberals and Graves (and the media right now) are trying to portray the party in a certain way, ie intolerant and old-age.
I think it is up to blogs like this to stand up and say that is ridiculous. As far as I know, the Conservative Party is a tolerant, open party which welcomes everyone into the fold. For me, the Conservative Party needs to do a better job marketing its ideas to a younger generation. A lot of those ideas (deficit reduction, new concepts for health care delivery, nationalism, smaller government, banking reform, infrastructure investments, post-secondary education reform) all are important for the future and I think are applicable to people in their 20′s and 30′s who don’t want a mess of a country in 20 years time.
But when idiots like Graves and Iggy start framing CPC as old-age and backward, that could stick without people standing up and pointing out why that is utterly false. It was the CPC that closed the door on abortion talk, and closed the door to any discussion of banning gay marriage. It was the CPC that declared Quebecois to be a nation. It was the CPC that apologized for First Nation schools that abused children. It is the CPC that has invested in cities and reduced pollution in lakes and rivers through new water and waste filtration systems. It was the CPC that invested in green technology.
Anyway, I’d like to see prominent tory bloggers like yourself point out the progressive stuff CPC has accomplished since 2006. I think Harper has been more progressive than Chretien or Martin ever were. Liberals don’t have the market cornered on what issues are “progressive” and its time people realized that.
Riley, I think my friend Eric should start that pushback against Graves.
EKOS + CBC = Report from PET Cemetery.
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“Conservatives keep lead in EKOS poll”
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/04/21/ekos-poll-100422.html
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Another MSM report:
“*Gap widens over Liberals, despite Guergis scandal”
“Canada’s Conservatives extend lead in latest poll”
“… popular support for the Conservatives at 31.7 percent, up slightly from 31.4 percent last week. Support for the main opposition Liberals fell to 27.1 percent from 29.0 percent.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2219676720100422
Ezra has two more excellent posts up since the last one linked. Ezra says very well how it shapes up that Graves is one huge liar and Ignatieff an idiot for taking the guy’s advice.
anyone aware of Facebook group
Canadians United Against Stephen Harper
Stephen Harper is the Prime Minister of Canada Doesn’t this qualify as TREASON and incitement of hatred against an elected Prime Minister of Canada
we need to ask the RCMP to investigate every member of this group
fh
it is one thing to support a political party that is the right and freedom of every Canadian
but to incite hatred against the legally elected Prime Minister of Canada cannot be tolerated
I would hope all politicians would see the folly in supporting any kind of out and out hatred I call on all MP s to express their outrage against this Facebook group called
Canadians United Against Stephen Harper
be against policy but do not incite hatred against the Prime Minister of Canada
fh
SDA has a new post up on Graves……
I like how Graves singles out Albertans as being different from other “conservatives”….
Can you even imagine if a anyone identified as a “conservative” had uttered even one of these words.
Chris Selley of the National post has a good, er, post. But what is amazing is Lawrence Martin Confirms what Graves says.
http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/04/23/chris-selley-from-the-department-of-inadequate-explanations.aspx
“UPDATE: Lawrence Martin responds: “The quote is exactly as Frank gave it to me. ‘I told them…’ meaning the Liberals.”"
Graves is done…
“I do believe, and this gets more subtle, that there is a higher incidence of people who are less tolerant to homosexuals and more wary of other races, within the Conservative Party. I can demonstrate that empirically.”
Empirically? So Graves has observed/evidence of this, he has polled Canadians about these issues?
Who commissioned the poll?
Where’s the data?
MY goodness, BT bloggers are OUTRAGED! YES! I have never seen so many postings on the same topic since Climategate and Coalitions propped up by Separatist!
Time for action!
The Liberals took Frankie’s suggestion to invoke a “culture” war a bit more broadly in HOC QP yesterday. Almost every question asked by them contained the phrase “culture of deceit”. They really thought they were smart and were showing some “culture”. Afraid the culture they’ve started may well deliver them something closer to what we might find on month old jello in the back of the fridge.
Go see post re Taliban Quack JackNDP.
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Taliban Jack’s “my head exploded”.
Duck, it’s Taliban QuackJackNDP.
“*My head exploded that year.”
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*QuackJack:
http://www.gendercide.org/case_montreal.html
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“I think the point that’s being missed here is Taliban Quack’s (thanks Maz2!) choice of words regarding his alleged exploits shooting ducks with a rifle.
I think the correct term is “poaching”.
Posted by: Kate at April 23, 2010 1:50 PM”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013847.html#comments
Cowardly MSM will not use Liberal in this headline.
Re-do headline:
“Online death threat aims at [Liberal] MP”.
PET Cemetery/MSM’s multiculturalism’s death pangs.
PET/MSM’s multicult ends with a bimper and a whang from their own Liberal.
The left-liberals’ “icon”, aka JFK, was shot dead by one of the left’s own, a communist assassin.
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“Online death threat aims at MP
‘Shoot him,’ post urges on Facebook page that calls Ujjal Dosanjh a Sikh traitor”
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Online+death+threat+aims/2941562/story.html
Riley – I hear you loud and clear! However blogs like this don’t take well to being told what to say and what to post – too much like being controlled by the party. Can’t have that.
Then I read here from fh who points us all to a new anti-harper facebook site that I wasn’t aware of and never visited. I’ll not do so now but how many here for the first time or regular trolls who dislike Harper will sign on to the facebook vehicle.
Everyone is passionate here and it’s rec’d very well – better than others, but I have to wonder what’s missing or what bloggers like Joanne feel would be helpful from the party brain trust or folks like you Riley who sound as if you have some expertise in the strategic messaging department.
I’ve read here often and even posted myself about how sometimes the PMO and gov’t leave bloggers and participants of blogs out by doing nothing at all.
Getting volunteers to do it on their own is one thing, but the party meeting them halfway in the form of a clue as to how to best support them perhaps needs to be more constant?
As I said, Joanne’s more tolerant than most and she doesn’t have to be.
The reason I keep coming back even after I’ve been knocked(sometimes I deserve it) is because I know at the end of the day that Harper gives me through his accomplishments and his confidence every reason to continue to support him as positively as I can.
On the provincial front, so far, Hudak hasn’t done that for me. May be it’s early goings yet but it needs to be there for me.
P.S. – I also keep coming back for the cake – there is no other Tory Blog that offers Tory Tea Time like Blue Like You does. Recipes aren’t loaded with fat and nuts – those things which tend to lace all things Liberal these days:-)
The mainstream media is quick to criticize politicians who do not divulge conflicts of interest. Pity they’re not so diligent with those they consider allies.
Death threats against Ujaal will lead off PP, and also something about guess what.
Oh, remarks from Graves. Wedge politics-Paul Wells, and Ezra is on
Talking about Frank Graves right now on P & P.
Ezra called Graves a liar and his polling is junk science. Hey this is getting good.
Paul Wells comments on remarks made that the cbc is in the liberal pocket.
I am sure Ezra will have this exchange up at his site soon. I have never seen him so mad.
Paul Wells, I like, But um, Suspect..
Watching Power and Politics, great stuff. Watching Wells squirm, sad…
Example of distorting so called facts. Ekos says that 1 out of 4 Quebecers think Canada is on the wrong track.
Doesn’t that mean that 3 our of 4 agree with PMSH that we are on the right direction.
Also, a fundraising letter went out to liberals today with a huge lie in it re the tax rebate one could get.
That so called rebate is only a non refundable tax credit that will reduce your taxes if you owe any, and possible increase your refund. IF YOU DON’T OWE OR PAY TAXES, YOU GET NOTHING BACK.
Letter says you will get a 75% rebate. Big difference.
Wow, I did it, I really did it….watched the 1st segment of P&P and I agree with Mary T…has Ezra ever been so fired up?
The tag team from the left were comparing apples and oranges from my perspective.
A pollster should be non partisan, period! (publicly)
So now I’m out of the closet flipping back and forth…
The tag team from the left were comparing apples and oranges from my perspective.
Exactly. They were trying to draw the discussion away from the fact that Graves said in the interview with Lawrence Martin that he had advised the Liberals to engage in a culture war.
From Ipso Reid, how did Graves miss these results.
The poll finds that the Conservatives enjoy the support of 35 per cent of voters; Liberals are the pick of 29 per cent; and the NDP is at 16 per cent. In Quebec, the Bloc Quebecois is on top with 35 per cent, followed by the Liberals at 24 per cent, Conservatives at 20 per cent and NDP at 11 per cent.
Pollster Ipsos Reid surveyed 1,000 Canadians by phone between Tuesday and Thursday, after Canadians had begun to digest many of the scandalous elements of the allegations involving Jaffer and his wife MP Helena Guergis.
To me this means that this Raffer/Helena and detainee crap is gaining support for PMSH, not losing support for him. Wonder what will happen after the Graves statements are involved.
That was a shameless disgusting three-way Liberal pile-on vs. Ezra Levant I just witnessed on P & P a short while ago…..
From Graves ‘advice’ to the LPC: …Obama versus Palin, tolerance versus racism and homophobia,…
Ummm, isn’t Obama against SSM?
A BLY exclusive sneak peak at the results of the latest from Ardvark Polling Research: (unpaid as was the advice Graves gave the LPC)
I have empirical proof that statistically there is a higher incidence of inmates who vote for the Liberal Party than for the conservatives. That does not mean that Liberals are criminals but it does mean that criminals are more statistically likely to end up in that party than other places.
hilarious Ardvark 6 pm
fh
I guess for taxpayers to care about Mr Jaffer he would need to have actually been given Taxpayers money at least thats my view
fh
Ex-Liberal MP linked to Jaffer.
Liberal ex-MP Joe Jordan was one of Liberal Ad$Cam Chretien’s bum-boys, er flack.
That’s a goody MSM press release.
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“Former Liberal MP Joe Jordan, one of the directors of Upper Canada Solar and a co-owner of the firm, said he was stunned to discover a briefing document his firm put together to explore the possibility of federal funding has been described as a proposal by Jaffer’s firm.
Jordan, the former Liberal MP for Leeds-Grenville, said Upper Canada Solar was asked nearly a year ago to provide a briefing note describing the company and the status of its funding applications at the time.”
“Local firm linked to Jaffer”
http://recorder.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2546933
Sorry if this has been posted before.
But check out Ezra, playing St. George (hey, it’s the Feast of St. George today) doing combat with three liberals dragons: Paul Wells (McLeans’ columnist), Ian Capstick (NDP), and Evan Soloman (CBC, Power and Politics):
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Politics/ID=1476691537
Paul Wells is such a liberal contrivance. What an a**hole. No credibility or integrity AT ALL. ‘Covering his butt all the time. Boy did he look uncomfortable. He wasn’t about to give anything away. I suspect that he’s making lots of do-re-mi from the CBC and the Liberal$, one way or another. Why is he stuttering all the time, surely the hallmark of a … dissembler? TOOL. TOOL. TOOL. ‘Glasses fixed? LOL! How about your moral compass, your journalistic integrity, Mr. Wells?
As for Ian Capstick: He’s an NDP DIPSTICK (or, maybe a Dickstick?)
And, why three against one? Ezra did an amazing job of jousting with three opponents (although, it has to be said that Soloman seems to be taking a few steps back since yesterday … ‘not so cocky … ‘a little more measured, duh).
As for Graves’ comment about there being, in his opinion (his stock in trade, after all), too many “homophobic” Conservatives, since when are Canadians’ views on anal sex a central political issue? — I guess since politically correct, multi-culti absurdity took over politics and our public square.
Kyrie Eleison. The world’s gone completely mad. Lord, please save us from the the “progressive” hordes, in whatever guise they manifest themselves.
(cross-posted at Ezra Levant and, I hope, SDA [it's caught in the filter at the moment]).
I am absolutely appalled that the CBC is allowed to continue spending taxpayer dollars on Frank Graves EKOS Polling drivel, let alone the billion dollar subsidy to this utter disgrace, shut down the CBC, the taxpayer subsidized propaganda arm of the Lieberal Party of Graft and Corruption.
There is absolutely no value for the money spent for the taxpayer support of this old communist Trudeau’esc dinosaur corpse of an entity that is known as the CBC.
What a waste, what a load of putrid rubbish.
Re-runs of Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy and Coronation Street don’t cut it, it’s time to end this macabre farce.
maz2, “Ex-Liberal MP linked to Jaffer.”
What will be interesting to find out in this situation is approached who?
From the article;
Although Jaffer served in Opposition when Jordan was part of the Liberal government, Jordan said the two have not been in touch.
“I have not spoken to him since he was defeated,” said Jordan.
“I’ve had no contact with Rahim at all.”
*Does that include intermediaries?
who approached who, doh.
The Adscam party talks “culture of deceit”,
I laugh every time I hear that, who would know better about a culture of deceit than a Liberal.
All Frankie is showing this old guy is that I indeed have “EMPIRICAL” evidence that the Liberano money “exchange system” is alive and well. Lets see Frankie kicks back 1 dollar for every 6000 he recieves for “Polling”.
Mickey Zee likes this guy he certainly speaks “weasel” fluently, but he is not a member of the Liberanos! He just pays the maximum donation cause he likes Micky Zee. That is his story anyway. Shut down the CBC or at least cut off their funding.
I would really like some proof of “less tolerence wary of other races” what a bunch of crap all dressed as “Poll Results” Empericaly or otherwise.
Taliban JackQuackNDP is bringing out his whip, says S&M, er MSM.
(Be sure to look at the pix: “Photograph by: Getty Images, np”). Who can ID them bullets?
“NDP Leader Jack Layton has not ruled out whipping his MPs to vote against the bill, said his spokesman, Karl Belanger. A loss of New Democrat support would kill the bill.”
QuackerJack: Kill Bill.
Meanwhile, Prof Iffy is steeling his toe.
“Two anti-registry Liberals — Newfoundlander Scott Andrews and New Brunswicker Jean-Claude D’Amours —_have refused comment, suggesting that Ignatieff could have a problem on his hands when a bill to eliminate the registry returns to the Commons this year for a final vote.”
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“Five Liberal dissidents ready to toe party line on gun control”
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Five+Liberal+dissidents+ready+party+line+control/2944670/story.html
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013847.html
Who is Joe Jordon, ex lib MP, who apparently was involved with adscam. When was he defeated. Who better than an ex adscammer to know how to get govt money. Now all we need is the NDP guy the PI was referring to.
And I also ask, who approached who.
I’m wondering if that little mouthpiece Martin Stringer (on cpac) will broach this subject tonite with cbc lib-loser Louise Elliott? I find Stringer,and his running mouth,that rambles on Was that a long enough run-on sentance? I was just being Martin!
ooops,something going on with the posts Jo..prev post is missing half of my run-on sentance..had trouble this am as well.
32,000 hits on google for Joe Jordan, did his company get any govt funds, or lobby for funds. When was he defeated.
The Red-Green Mafia of the Federal & Ontario Liberal Party.
More Joe Jordan: now a Liberal bagman, a Pay-Pal of Ontario Liberal IffyGuinty, sat at the feet of Jolly Old Santa Jeancula, along with Citoyen Kyoto Green Shaft Dionky, while the Ad$Cam loot was doled out.
The Liberal vote buying swindle known as Ad$Cam will never die.
Ad$Cam is LibIffy’s albatross; smell the ordure.
Is the RCMP investigating the Jordan-Jaffer-McGuinty links?
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“The company, which includes former Leeds-Grenville MP Joe Jordan among the ownership group, manufactures trackers and is supplying solar panels built by Canadian Solar Inc. to several local projects, including a rooftop system at the Brockville Memorial Centre.
With a generous incentive system provided by the government to supply power to the provincial electrical grid, the projects are going ahead because of the revenue they will generate, said Mazurek.
“It’s priming the pump,” he said, noting the industry needs the government boost to get on its feet.”
http://www.recorder.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2443899&auth=NICK%20GARDINER%20,%20STAFF%20WRITER
Soccermom says:
April 23, 2010 at 6:00 pm
That was a shameless disgusting three-way Liberal pile-on vs. Ezra Levant I just witnessed on P & P a short while ago…..
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Co-Sign.
The sad thing was Paul Wells was apart of it. Wow just wow….
The sad thing was Paul Wells was apart of it.
It helps me make my decision about whether or not to renew my Macleans subscription.
JDot: “The sad thing was Paul Wells was apart of it. Wow just wow….”
JDot, Paul Wells has been “a part of it” for a long, long time. I went to John Ralston Saul’s Lafontaine/ Baldwin Symposium about 8 years ago (hey, until Ralston Saul changed the order, the first Upper/Lower Canada government has always been referred to as the Baldwin/Lafontaine alliance) where Wells was one of the panelists.
He was a liberal sell-out, which surprised me at the time. Since then, I’ve noticed he usually takes the l/Liberal view. He’s certainly no friend of c/Conservatives.
He’s certainly no friend of c/Conservatives.
No not too many are at Macleans.
Joe Jordan
“gun registration is no more complex than the Income Tax system.”
— MP Joe Jordan (Liberal, Leeds-Grenville) — CBC NewsWorld, 1998 May 4
http://www.whyfor.com/firearm/quotes.html
So Jaffer-gate nets an exLib MP, lol
I’m sure he will be immediately called to committee tos discuss his business relation ship with…..Jo Jordan is already a LOBBYIST on the Hill, curious eh
(maz)
http://recorder.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2546933
who is Joe Jordan:
in 2005 (lost his seat) director of Parliamentary affairs to Treasury Board President Reg Alcock
presently: a lobbyist with the Capital Hill Group in Ottawa and a
longtime Liberal strategist
(one of the Hill`s top 100 lobbyists)
Find Liberal Ad$Cam Jordan here*.:
“*McGuinty: This is voters’ chance”
“Blue sky and bright sunshine provided the perfect conditions for Premier Dalton McGuinty to check out a solar panel with Joe Jordan of Upper Canada Solar Generation Inc. on Tuesday.”
http://www.recorder.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2443899&auth=NICK%20GARDINER%20,%20STAFF%20WRITER
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More here:
““Their discussion involved representations by Mr. Jaffer on behalf of a company.””
“Prentice: Jaffer approached staff member”
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2010/04/23/13701636-qmi.html
Joanne says..
“JDot, Paul Wells has been “a part of it” for a long, long time.”
I know, but he use to keep this sh!t to himself,twitter and what not. Listen I could give a list of personal and professional reasons why Paul Wells is, Well suspect. But once a pawn a time he kept his political beliefs out of his reporting.
Sadly he does not now.
Joanne my view on Paul Wells is, well it is a shame watching his falling off…
****Correction****
That should be..
batb says..
“JDot, Paul Wells has been “a part of it” for a long, long time.”
Sorry, I am following the NFL draft at the same time right now. Lot’s going on. Once again sorry…
Like all liberals scandals of the week, this jaffergate will come back to bite then you know where. Bet Joe Jordan is very upset his life and contacts are being investigated by the bloggers. Did he get any govt funding for his projects. Is it against the rules for someone to approach a lobbyist to lobby for them. Who are his clients, and how much money has his company received via the stimulus program.
When did he register as a lobbyist, did he wait the required time. Pat Martin had said, before this name come up, that the documents suggested more names to be called, will Jordan be one of them. Will the libs go after him like they did Jaffer.
That Kory guy is very impressive. Just the voice of sanity with his cool hand Luke approach to Graves. He let him cut his own head off and place it on a silver platter.
You did good Kory.
Taber in advance, on Graves/EKOS’ latest poll results.:
“2. The Guergis hot potato.”
Graves and Taber shared confidences. LOL.
We’ll pay more attention to Taber’s stuff. Is she a mole?
Look at this hint/advice to IffyLiberals:
“he [Graves] can “understand why opposition might want to drop it like a hot potato.”
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“And speaking of that, EKOS pollster Frank Graves is in the midst of testing the Guergis affair.
“I am seeing some very surprising results,” he said. Although, he cannot yet disclose what he is picking up, he said that he can “understand why opposition might want to drop it like a hot potato.”
“Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:45 AM
Has Ignatieff ‘turned his back on rural Canadians’?
Jane Taber”
My question of the day is,why was this not even mentioned on Power Play? Or for that matter,any of the msm tv outlets? they can have wall to wall coverage on whether Helena had a boyfriend when she was in school,but NOTHING on a major tax-payer funded biased pollster? The Trio of Twits at end of PP (Taber,Tommy and Too Old Oliver)were just too busy making even more accusations about ‘organized crime links’..did you catch Craig infer that this is pretty much the story??
My question of the day is,why was this not even mentioned on Power Play?
Probably because they don’t want to mention a rival network.
April 22, 2010
Victor Malarek of W5.
http://autopod.ca/podcast_audio/chum/11/352/MH%20Ap%2022.mp3
Victor is highly critical of the media today. He makes excellent points about the poor state of journalism. A very revealing interview.
Heads up…Charles Adler will be on QP on Sunday.I’m hoping he’ll give Kory and Ezra a run for best commentary of the week!
Adler on QP? That will be a refreshing change. Thanks for the tip Sammy!
Seems rather silly to most of us spending so much time on the Guergis/Jaffer jingle when it really isn’t something that affects our everyday lives, it’s politics, it’s about ethics and POSSIBLY rules broken by individuals as yet unproven. It’s not for the politicians to sort out, it’s been referred to the proper authorities to get the answers.
The political game being played by the opposition is over, they’ve milked it dry in the political gains department. Their tired old game was pretty clear when Jaffer appeared before the Kangaroo court. The questions posed by people like Dipper Pat Martin was proof of why it’s a waste of time, it’s not about answers, it’s about spewing venom. It’s also about making it the circus Martin said he didn’t want it to be, then he proceeded to do a nasty clown act, bringing up the cocaine thing,which has nothing to do with the government but everything to do slandering and smearing in the safety of parliamentary immunity, televised for all to see, which in itself is a farce.
“Seems rather silly to most of us spending so much time on the Guergis/Jaffer jingle when it really isn’t something that affects our everyday lives…”
Exactly Liz! It’s also why media of all types is in serious trouble these days. The ones shilling for the Liberals are one and the same of the party that is proving as disconnected to ordinary Canadians as their attempt at creating a class war.
Several terrific columns to comment on today but my favourite is Robert Fulford’s in the NP “What We Say When We Whisper”
Rex Murphy’s is also worth a read.
I have to say though that the rollout of more gov’t MPs coming out and discovering their staff was accessed by Jaffer concerns me a bit. First Baird, now Prentice…it may have started innocently enough but…..still too many questions.
That the polls show us ahead means to me that the efforts of the MSM and oppositions aren’t getting them traction, but most of all that perhaps if Jaffergate wasn’t taking up our time the Harper gov’t might be even further ahead than they are now.
Meanwhile the PM looked amazing as he enjoyed the Olympic athletes in Montreal yesterday. It brought it all back. Right now BELIEVE is playing on my radio and I have to say that I’m confident in my PM, my country and feel very lucky to live here!
See column in Star Phoenix (link at Natnewswatch): ‘Ignatieff firm on Bilingual Supreme Court’..he is asked about the comments made by Graves.Weasel words for a reply.
O/T – the following story is important especially for bloggers and blog owners. Depending on how this shakes out could have rippling implications of major proportions.
http://bit.ly/a0aipR
PET Cemetery Report:
Iffy’s TomeStone;
a Book Review and Cover Story.
In & Out of Bed With/Without Iffy.
Quote/BLURB:
“Lague said Ignatieff told him:
“I’ll take the blame from what’s between the covers, not for the cover blurbs.”
To be blogged as Iffy’s Fiction/Horror genre.
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“Raves for Ignatieff book bogus
By Joan Bryden, THE CANADIAN PRESS
Politicians frequently claim their remarks are distorted and taken out of context by the media.
But in a sharp reversal of roles, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff now finds himself accused of taking the media out of context to promote paperback sales of his latest book, “True Patriot Love.”
The jacket of the book trumpets a number of excerpts from newspaper critiques that leave the impression the tome won rave reviews when first published last spring.
Take this snippet from the National Post: “Plenty of scope for a rich story … Some wonderful anecdotes, particularly about George P. Grant … Well written.”
In fact, the Post review in its entirety was far from laudatory.
“True Patriot Love offers little that is new on the Grants save some wonderful anecdotes, particularly about George P. Grant. As an exploration of patriotism, it offers up cliches about modern Canada but little more,” wrote Post reviewer Robert L. Fraser.
“True Patriot Love is a well-written disappointment.”
Conservatives pounced Friday on the discrepancy as further evidence of Ignatieff’s alleged unfitness for political office.
“This is the type of dishonesty that not even a first-year university student could get away with,” Alberta Tory MP Chris Warkentin told the House of Commons.
“I am wondering if the leader of the Opposition really believes that this is honesty or if this is maybe a case of deceitfulness.”"
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2010/04/24/13703766-cp.html
Liberal Iffy’s Harvard buddy/pal O’blasted(nice MSM word); more, please.
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“Peter Foster: Flaherty wins one for the world”
“Finance Minister Flaherty has done the whole world a service with his opposition to a global bank tax, but America’s leftward drift is worrisome”
“Finance Minister Jim Flaherty seems to have killed the IMF’s threatened global bank tax, at least for the moment. Good for him. Also, kudos to the Big Six Canadian Banks for being bold enough to criticize other regulatory horrors being discussed at this weekend’s G20 meetings in Washington.
Mr. Flaherty had spoken out strongly against a global levy to create a bailout fund. “I’m not going to impose a tax on our banks that performed well during the financial crisis,” he said earlier this week. “It seems to me a very odd thing to do — to punish our banks that got the job done adequately.”
But it’s not at all odd from the perspective of those who seek any excuse to extend regulatory control. This group conspicuously includes the current U.S. administration — as typified by President Obama’s bank-bashing speech this week in New York — and many European countries.”
http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/04/23/peter-foster-flaherty-wins-one-for-the-world.aspx
Robert Fulford in the Nationl Post today:”What we say when we whisper” is a good read.
…and when you need some laughter I’ve just discovered this gem of a blog that pretty much puts things into perspective.
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/
Also: I have a shout-out over at TTT(Tory Tea Time) ——–> over there
It will be interesting to see if there is an EKOS poll next week. With the denials of companies named as those Raffer approached, saying they never had dealing with him, what is the problem. I have to wonder what info Graves has passed on to the liberals, from his polling, that they have used, that is fiction.
With almost every company named involved in some sort of plan to get the Green Fund, perhaps it is time to cancel the fund, till after the next election. If those plans are so great, people, not govt would/should invest in them.
You should read the replies from the CBC at Taylor’s blog, especially the one where they say the cbc takes pride in their efforts to be non partisan. (paraphrased)
OT, but Mr Z’s book tour is being panned big time.
Who is paying for the travelling, hotel, meals etc for the book tour, better not be the taxpayer, or the liberal party. That tour is not government business, and that time away from his duties as leader should be deducted from his MP pay. He is abusing the taxpayer for personal benefit.
Very revealing comment on this issue by Senator Doug Finley over at Stephen Taylor’s:
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2010/04/questions-about-frank-graves/#disqus_thread
The MSM will drop the whole Rahim scandal like a hot potatoe now that a former Liberal MP Joe Jordan is connected. They not expose a precious liberal. The silence is deafening from the MSM over Liberal MP Derek Lee website offerring influence with the very same words as Jaffer.
liberal staffer Graves is polling for the liberals; sounds to me that he is peddling for more votes in a cheap way by confusing the public with the ‘wrong’ questions.
My question of the day is,why was this not even mentioned on Power Play?
Simple, PP works for the opposition parties. frankly speaking the national media on television work for the liberals while the bloggers like you Joanne and others work for the public.
Viewed the video again and Frankie really was scrambling. He says he’s a small “l” Liberal, maybe a progressive who donates $11,000.00 bucks to the cause? Bull!
Was he giving unsolicited, unpaid for advice to the small “l” Liberals and the LPC just happened to like that advice and are following it? It certainly appears to be the case on the long gun registry, they are saying to Hell with the West and rural Canadians.
After the parliamentary committee is done with Jaffer, I wonder if they could summon Frank Graves of EKOS Research, for examination of his conduct and his relationship, with the CBC and the Liberal party, before the RCMP are asked to launch an investigation, on behalf of Canadian taxpayers. I expect the CBC ombudsman, ethics commissioner and the Auditor General should also be summoned to investigate apparent conflict and possible fraud involving taxpayer funds.
In view of recent statements and revelations, once Canadians learn that Graves’ firm is paid by the CBC (funded by the Canadian taxpayer) and that Graves has contributed $11,042.72 to the Liberal Party, and contributed to the leadership campaigns of Ignatieff and Bob Rae and has been the recipient of 61 million dollars of government (taxpayer monies) contracts from the Liberals in return, Canadians will seek and demand some answers.
Canadian taxpayers are much too astute, to be duped by Graves’ clumsy and inept attempt, to claim he also contributed to the Conservatives, when on a cursory examination we find that contribution was a paltry 449 dollars to a Conservative candidate. This calculated deceitful ploy may have allowed him to publicly state that he contributed to both political parties ( hoping details would not be divulged) but it did not stand up as being candid and scrupulous, on close detailed inspection.
Recent reports in the media of his actions, and his own statements in interviews, has opened this can of worms, so appropriate players must now deal with it, since millions of taxpayer’s dollars are involved, and these are not allegations and innuendo but are a matter of fact.
Can we expect that Pat Martin will ask Graves if he received cocaine as payment for services rendered either from the Liberal party or from the CBC?
OT, but worth noting. A big win for our Finance Minister in Washington re G20 and bank tax. There will be no bank tax, gone the way of the dodo bird.
What has the cbc/libs/ndp been preaching for years, Canada has lost its influence in the world. Think again.
Cowardly biased MSM hides the words: Canada’s Conservative Finance Minister.
MSM files this under “Business”.
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“Canada wins on world stage as bank tax shunned
WASHINGTON — After weeks of voicing its disdain for a global bank tax, Canada scored a victory on the international stage Friday after the Group of 20 countries opted against the kind of levy championed by Europe and the International Monetary Fund.
Finance and central bank officials from the G20 met in Washington, where they suggested policy makers from the world’s major economies refocus their efforts on ensuring core elements of the financial reform agenda are dealt with. That means cooling any talk of a tax.
This is the case Jim Flaherty, the Finance Minister, made in the lead-up to this key gathering, and echoed this week by Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney who called the debate a “distraction.”
The official G20 communiqué indicated the majority of the major economies sided with Canada.”
http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Canada+wins+world+stage+bank+shunned/2944383/story.html
I’d like to draw your attention once again to Stephen Taylor’s most current blog posting and in particular THIS response by Doug Finley which I agree with. I believe that the Liberals are more desperate now in their “power at all costs” mantra that they still threaten to take this country down at their first convenience and in the end it’s all about pitting Canadian community against Canadian community and neighbour against neighbour. The Ignatieff led Liberals are still deserving of their Libranos moniker today and are as seething that the country’s moving incrementally to the right that they now support creating culture wars to impede the positive momentum we’ve seen under the Harper government.
“Stephen
I don’t have a blog (perhaps I should) – and sometimes find it technically difficult (I spend most of my time on my Blackberry) to respond to the wonderful stuff that the Conservative bloggers do. So I am addressing some comments to you.
The time, energy, research and passion that Blogging Tories add to the political debate in this country amazes me. I follow as much as I can, and as often as I’m able.
Off the top, like Kory Teynecke, I will openly admit to being a Conservative.
If I may, I’d like to offer some personal comments on the major blogging stories over the last few days.
I note that in the CBC response to you extolling the neutral virtues of their journalists that they seem to have forgotten about Krista Erickson. Perhaps it’s selective amnesia. I’d certainly recommend all bloggers to take a look at Lorne Gunter’s recent article on CBC. I have done some research on CBC – research that I will share with Canadians soon – on the CBC. CBC, like Aricle 13 of the Human Rights Act was a well-intentioned, now stretched and dated, imperative. The original intent of both has been so widened, and uncontrolled, that they have become parodies of themselves.
The Grits have become so scared on these and other endeavours that we are exposing that they are becoming almost apopelectic. Witness the Senator Grant Mitchell reply to my request for a reasoned, non-partisan debate on “The Erosion of Freedom of Speech in Canada”. It was offensive, trivialising and overtly political.
This blends with the Graves advice to Liberals to create a “cultural” war in Canada.
Let’s get nasty, divisive, and ugly. That’s the message.
The leader of the Liberal Party (whoever that is) has determined to whip his caucus on the subject of the Long Gun Registry, knowing that a significant number of his members are rightly opposed to it.
I see this as the opening salvo in the Liberal campaign plan to create a a divisive war between all parts and segments of Canadian life.
Anything to get back to power.
I’d also note the passing of Bill 232 – the requirement to make Bilingualism (to an extreme technical degree) mandatory for Supreme Court Justices. I have been told by Liberal MPs that this was allowed to pass to create mischief for the Conservative Party. This is the ugliest form of divisive politics – and certainly plays to the advice proffered to the Liberal Party by Mr. Graves. There are a number of Liberal Senators who have expressed dismay to me that this now been placed in the hands of the Senate.
I guess what I am trying to say in short form, is that the Liberal strategy of a “cultural war” with all of its concommitant ugliness doesn’t surprise me – we’ve seen this building for a while. Frank Graves’ comments merely underline it.
I guess that this is the political reality that the Grits want to take power on. I find it extremely disappointing.
I can assure you that, as always, the Conservative Party will fight the next election openly on what is best for all Canadians. As always.
I look forward to the the efforts of all Blogging Tories in helping us do that.
Doug Finley”
Check out comment by Senator Doug Finley at Stephen Taylor’s:
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2010/04/questions-about-frank-graves/#disqus_thread
But wasn’t the original story in the Globe&Mail though? Aren’t CTV and the G&M connected.
@Jdot. When Paul Wells took on the ‘Rights and Democracy’ story as his personal crusade and basically shilled for the staff’s viewpoint, he lost me as an admirer as one of the very few ‘non-partisan’ journalists in this country. However, I do appreciate his wit so I’m willing to give him a chance to redeem himself.
Completely off topic: Joanne, are you one of the bloggers that will be affected by this law suit? I know you link to NP articles on Climate Change fairly frequently. It sounds like ‘over reach’ to me.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/22/climate-change-libel-action-canada-national-post
Liberal ex-MP Joe Jordan, he of the Liberal Chretien Ad$Cam Librano$$$$$$$$$$ >>>>
Is RCMP investigating? Will this go to court where oaths are administered?
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Smoking gun:
“6. Government analysis of the Solar Photovoltaic Electricity Generation project in Brockville, Ont., which was rejected.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/projects-rahim-jaffer-was-pushing/article1545044/
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“Local firm linked to Jaffer
The owners of a local solar energy firm now caught up in the Rahim Jaffer controversy on Parliament Hill say they did nothing wrong.
Upper Canada Solar Generation, located just north of Brockville, has been linked to one of three green energy proposals at the heart of a parliamentary appearance Wednesday by Jaffer and his business partner, Patrick Glémaud.
Former Liberal MP Joe Jordan, one of the directors of Upper Canada Solar and a co-owner of the firm, said he was stunned to discover a briefing document his firm put together to explore the possibility of federal funding has been described as a proposal by Jaffer’s firm.
Jordan, the former Liberal MP for Leeds-Grenville, said Upper Canada Solar was asked nearly a year ago to provide a briefing note describing the company and the status of its funding applications at the time.
Upper Canada Solar was told Jaffer and Glémaud would find out whether the firm, as well as others in the market, qualified for federal funding, said Jordan.
He described the briefing note as a “standard overview document,” adding he thought little more of it at the time.
He said he learned early Thursday morning the overview document was one of the three so-called proposals at the heart of Wednesday’s testimony.
“The first time I saw this document was this morning at eight o’clock,” said Jordan, clarifying this was the first time he saw the document, which was released by the government after Wednesday’s committee hearings, framed as a proposal.”
http://recorder.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2546933
Liberal PET Cemetery’s multiculturalism is devouring its own Liberals.
Dr. PET Frankenstein’s monster has turned on its Liberal creator and its left-Liberal disciples.
Stand back. Enjoy.
Schadenfreude.
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“Threats against Dosanjh ‘cowardly:’ de Jong
B.C.’s attorney general calls online threats against Liberal MP Ujjal Dosanjh “despicable” and “cowardly,” and warns the perpetrators they are not out of the reach of law enforcement.
Police are investigating postings made on Facebook that said Dosanjh should be shot and labelled him a “Sikh traitor.
Mike de Jong, who is also the acting solicitor general in B.C., said in Vancouver on Friday that the perceived anonymity of the internet is flawed.”
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/04/23/bc-de-jong-dosanjh-threats.html
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi
We seem to have an apparent conflict of interest between CBC-EKOS-LPOC. Haven’t thought much about those of CTV or Global, yet.
Elections Canada should be investigating. The same committee that are “doing” Jaffer/Guergis” should be calling for an investigation on media, pollsters and public broadcaster “ties”.
Why the silence from the current Government of Canada? The LPOC-EKOS-CBC have better lawyers? This has ADSCAM writ large on it, this time with MSM complicity.
let’s investigate pollsters-political-party-media-charitable-organization-msm ties.
When I watch Bob Fife spout off on CTV, or Mansbridge on CBC, or David Suzuki on CBC, I want to konw who they really speak for. I want full disclosure before they signs off on their “shows” or David on his POV via the CBC.
When a publicly paid employee of CBC sits on Suzuki’s Baord of Directors, while the CBC airs his Nature of Things and provides a mouthpiece and platform for his POV through the public broadcasters “public mandate”, while Strombo’ gets to direct his “show” on CBC, I have some seroius doubts that there are NOT conflicts of interest at play here.
How many out there remember the way the cbc never gave the Reform leader any air time, via the Journal, and the way we in the West objected to it. Finally, one night Barbara did do an interview with Preston (I think) and following it the panel made their snide remarks. And she ended her program with something like, well, we have had the Reform on and we will never have to worry about them again. (paraphrased) Those panel members are still working for the cbc with their anti western conservative bias. Maybe it is time for term limits on cbc anchors and panelists.
“But wasn’t the original story in the Globe&Mail though? Aren’t CTV and the G&M connected.”
yes AFewFigs it was. Perhaps more rocks should be turned over to ferret out the failed disclosures and connections between these two too! No time like the present.
So is anyone surprised that Ignatieff stretched the truth re: the reviews of his book? True Patriot Love my ass Mr. Ignatieff your party wrote the book on deceit & deception and now the LPOC is relying on desperate measures like picking cultural wars to divide the country.
Deceit, deception, desperation, entitlements, division, boondoggles, Adscam, and I’m beginning to think Ignatieff’s party got off rather lightly and that old pooping puffin almost looks complementary by comparison.
jt asks “Why the silence from the current Government of Canada?”
Only a guess but why get a good government involved? The Liberals and Michael Ignatieff are in themselves the best strategy to boost the PM currently.
I say let them continue to twist in the wind and let their MSM continue to be dazzled by the shine Ignatieff’s political class ego because the more Canada sees and hears from Ignatieff the less they like him and the better for the PM.
I vote for a defence of the current gov’t of Canada’s accomplishment at a more opportune time….like the next federal election that I WISH was right now!
Would the Liberal media and opps. be all strung up about Jaffer had he not had traffic violations? Would they be all strung up about Guergis had she not had a meltdown at a PEI Island airport?
Has Jaffer not got a right to start a business or make a living or apply for government grants/loans because he’s former Conservative MP? Former Liberal MP cum Ambassador to Denmark, Fonzie Gagliano, got a few million under farm loans to start a Vineyard.
Afraid we need an election sooner rather than later and this time we need to send a stronger message by way of a majority Conservative government. The Liberals are not interested in what’s best for Canada, it’s all about power for them any way they can get it even with a pseudo leader.
Richco @ 8:58 am – Thanks for that tip. Boy it’s getting tricky to be a blogger these days. And it often seems to be the lefties who are the problem (i.e. complainers).
PET Cemetery Report:
The end result? Hyphenated-Canadians. Ooops,
>>> Non-hyphenated Canadians:
>>> “Armenian Canadians”.
The natural end result of Liberal PET/Iffy’s multiculturalism.
The dead of Asia stalk our Canada.
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“Armenian Canadians rally to remember killings
CBC.ca – 3 hours ago
The rally on Parliament Hill Saturday was followed by a march to Ottawa’s Turkish Embassy. (CBC) Hundreds of Armenian Canadians rallied in Ottawa Saturday for Turkey to recognize the killing of 1.5 million Armenians nearly a century ago as a genocide”
Why would Graves think his comments only offended some Canadians, not all Canadians.
So Graves tells liberals the west doesn’t matter, and at the same time Mr Z is writing off Quebec with his support of bilingual Judges. Does he not realize that Quebec has French only schools, and French only hospitals and other institutions. So, he is telling Quebecers to teach their kids english or they can never sit on the Supreme Court.
So, liberals have thrown Alberta and Quebec under the bus. Does he think he can elect enough MPs in Toronto to form a govt, or is he depending on the NDP to form a coalition. PM Layton has a good ring to it.
at the same time Mr Z is writing off Quebec with his support of bilingual Judges. Does he not realize that Quebec has French only schools, and French only hospitals and other institutions.
Interesting, Mary T. I’ve been really busy on the home front the last few days and haven’t had time to really delve into that whole bilingual judge issue but what you’ve pointed out is some possible fallout I never contemplated – and I’m guessing that Mr. Z hasn’t either.
Just remembered, the Bloc voted for the bilingual Judge bill, wonder if he thought that no Quebec lawyers will qualify unless they learn and speak fluent english.
PET Cemetery: Liberal Iffy’s multiculturalism.
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“Armenian Canadians rally to remember killings”
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More Liberal Iffy’s multiculturalism.
“[Liberal] Dosanjh vows not to let threats change his resolve Vancouver Sun
Temples of strife National Post”
(H/T PET Cemetery.liberal.caca)
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013859.html#comments
Liberal Iffy strums his ukelele.
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“Ignatieff hates Saskatchewan for a lot of reasons.
Most obviously, it has only a single Liberal MP.
But more deeply, it’s exactly the kind of place he detests on a personal level: rural; conservative; Christian; gun-owning; Ukrainian.
It’s not cosmopolitan enough for an elitist like him. It’s not the sort of place that would call him “Count”.
“Michael Ignatieff tests out the Graves Strategy of marginalizing the West”
http://ezralevant.com/
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013859.html
Boy Ezra’s really been sticking it to Graves and Mr. Z lately!
Check out ‘Leaders roll out election-style spiels’ link at Natnewswatch (on R side of page)..if the photo attached to that column isn’t screaming for a caption contest..I don’t know what would!!!
Sammy – Larger image here. Great idea for a captions contest!
Interesting column by Greg Weston today re a Senator who is supposedly using taxpayer funds to pay for a condo in Florida.
My take is, if the whistleblower had named a conservative the name would be all over, with comments -it has been alleged. Weston covers himself with -it can’t be proved or disproved-
“So, he is telling Quebecers to teach their kids English or they can never sit on the Supreme Court.”
Sensational point Mary T @11:10pm
I double dare Mr Zzzz to enter Quebec and reverse his statement that he made in Saskatoon. I doubt the big coward will do that or has even thought about it in that context. What a hypocrite!
As far as Ezra’s posts go, my oh my, Graves has indeed hit a nerve and Ezra most certainly is analyzing very well the raw emotion that THIS Western Canadian feels and has felt for decades thanks to the Liberals. (and to some degree the Dippers…Linda Duncan has reached her Peter Principle and completely disses her Province and it’s economic engine)
The out of touch lecturing, Mr Zzzzz embarked on in Sask speaks to the strategy that this party has embraced and it’s not pretty. Attempt to brainwash the academia at their ideological, vulnerable stage…
Fortunately, as my left leaning nephew discovered in Montreal after such an encounter, Mr Zzzzz was a HUGE disappointment and swung him over to the RIGHT way. Thanks Mr Zzzz!
MSM in full operation.
Which headline to choose as the most recent? The downer or the riser?
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“Canadian retail sales down 0.3% in November
Vancouver Sun – Apr 24, 2010”
(googlenews)
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“Retail sales rise 3rd straight month”
CBC – Friday, April 23, 2010″
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2010/04/23/retail-sales-canada-february.html
We definitely must put that one up for a caption contest! For starters it could work in a game of charades with such a strained look, I’d go for constipation.
Not being an exercise buff, I have no idea what that machine is supposed to do, but I would think his hands should be balanced on the thingy.
I await the experts taking this photo op apart. He couldn’t have tried very hard as he never worked up a sweat. Look at the armpits.
My caption, Please teacher, I really have to go.
Caption:
“Ouch….Cheeeese…Ouch”
“Let someone else do the heavy lifting, I’ll fake it, that I can do”
“Are you sure people smile like a Cheshire cat in the gym”?
“I should have posed in the squat with some real weights, that would be believable”
Great find Sammy and so fake it’s funny!
I finally found the comment re Iggy writes off Quebec
Iffy teaches “Writing Off the West 101″
April 24, 2010 — BC Blue comment by rw at 5.19.
So a h/t to rw for bringing up the possible problem for liberals and Quebec.
rw should repost that on every blog. IMHO.
I would like to inform Canadians that our Government is the Canadian Government
and the Prime Minister of Canada is the Right Honourable Stephen Harper
and groups that incite hatred against the Prime Minister of Canada are committing TREASON
fh
Re this homophobe stuff. Liberals want to paint Canadians who disagree with gay marriage as homophobic. It’s that divisive stuff again. It’s what they do best.
Caption contest: “I’m sweating bullets on the inside let me tell you, but thank the non-specific-gender deity above my anti-perspirant held up”
Another thought re the picture of Mr Z. Could that be a balancing pole he is carrying as he tries to walk the tightrope between the west and the Graves manifesto.
on public television and free.
I think the church pays to be able to broadcast the service. I’ll have to look into that.
PET Cemetery Update: Liberal Iffy’s PET multiculty & its “few”ry.
Mr. Multiculty, he dead.
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Canadian Sikhs: The shaming of the majority by the brutality of the few”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canadian-sikhs-the-shaming-of-the-majority-by-the-brutality-of-the-few/article1545467/
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi
O is LibIffy’s Harvard buddy.
“I expect they’ll have prayer,”.
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“Obama plans meeting with evangelist Billy Graham (Obama to demand Billy Graham convert to Islam)
President Barack Obama is fitting in his first visit with ailing evangelist Billy Graham during his vacation weekend in North Carolina. Obama planned to see the 91-year-old Graham and his son Franklin at the elder Graham’s mountainside home in Montreat, about 20 miles east of Asheville, where Obama spent a few days away from the White House. “I expect they’ll have prayer, but beyond that I don’t know what they’ll talk about,” said Mark DeMoss, a spokesman for the Grahams. A White House spokesman, Bill Burton, said that when Obama last spoke with Billy Graham, in a telephone call in..”
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/news-forum/index
Richco says:
April 24, 2010 at 4:05 pm
“Only a guess but why get a good government involved?”
Because on this issue, it’s their job, that’s why.
Conflicts of interest that benefit one interested party over another were a hallmark of ADSCAM. Here we have a public broadcaster CBC, funded with taxpayer’s money using a pollster with known ties to the LPOC, who has done a lot of business with them while they were in power (H/T Ezra Levant).
I don’t have a problem with EKOS “doing work” for CBC, but when the pollster then makes his opinion of the poll as advice to a political party and broadcasts them over the airwaves of the CBC, who was the poll really for? CBC or the LPOC?
I have to ask: is CBC polling FOR the LPOC at no cost to the LPOC? Does EKOS cc the LPOC with their polling data? An issue has been made that FG donated $11,000 to the LPOC over the years. How much have employees of the CBC donated and to whom? When I get the news from CBC, am I getting biased news based on the political proclivities of the CBC newscasters, their reporters and management? They are paid with public money, so that is a legitimate question on this issue.
To illustrate the incestuousness of this: CBC hosts The Nature of Things, while having George Strombopolous sit as a Director on David Suzuki’s Suzuki Foundation. George also hosts his own show The Hour on CBC.
How impartial is GS (or the CBC for that matter) on the issue of AGW, whenever they run some news item, show, interview on the subject?
Public perceptions are being formulated through the CBC when they have a conflict of interest with an interested party who belives wholeheartedly in the issue and has been quoted in favour of jailing individuals who don’t sign onto his ideas on it. There is no conflict there?
The Government of Canada, although currently Conservative, have a duty to Canadians to eliminate any conflicts of interest in their institutions, including it’s public broadcaster to avoid appearances of bias. The CBC will tell us all that they will not interview anyone unless both sides are present on an issue to maintain that “balance”. Some people have come to the conclusion that the CBC is biased in one direction and it can only come from what they appear to favour hosting on their publicly paid medium.
The Conservative party has dropped the ball on this by being so silent and I’ll venture to say that they then endorse what the CBC-EKOS-LPOC are doing.
You can’t have your enemies defining you publicly like Frank Graves did, without a response. That will be the political death of you. Ask Stockwell Day about that. Having the public broadcaster do it to you is a open challenge.
The CBC, by airing their “poll” and the opinions of Frank Graves through their medium are actually daring the Conservative government to take them on. They have even made it easy for them to do so by being so blatant about it. What is their problem then, afraid of their shadows? They need to show leadership on this issue or they can’t escape from being equated as “the same as Liberals”. This isn’t a partisan issue either, even though that will be how the CBC will play it. Money is exchanged for information with “connected, non-arm’s length” parties and then used to influence an outcome by broadcasting the results. To whose benefit? It could be construed as influence peddling.
In my POV this is just another “kick back scheme” engineered by the LPOC through EKOS and the public broadcaster, CBC for their benefit. If it wasn’t then after FG’s drive by smear of what constitutes “conservatives” in certain parts of the country after proffering his advice on divisive political policies to the LPOC, why would he appologize? Typical opposition “committee” method, hide behind immunity of the committee or HoC and slander the party in your sites. All done with the aid of the CBC.
This thread is really getting long! I’m going to try to work on a new post this afternoon.
Things have just been crazy busy Chez Moi lately.
Good commentary from both John Tory/Charles Adler re the Rahemelina non-story on QP this am.This ‘radio guys’ segment,was summed up later in the show,for benefit of Travesty,and Wpg Free Press LIBERAL partisan Mia Rabson..Giggles states these radio guys come from ‘a right-wing bias’..slanted non-journalisism much Janey????
BTW,take note,that moron Pat Martin was being interviewed from BC,where he lives apparently.He represents a Wpg riding,and there was recently big controversy over this here in Man..why aren’t the msm asking questions about that? Martin,if you want to live in BC,then RUN out there!
that moron Pat Martin was being interviewed from BC,where he lives apparently.
I didn’t know that (that he lives in BC.)
“I think the church pays to be able to broadcast the service”
I’m sure they likely do but I do not know either however I was referring to political free advertising because that is how I would interpret this had I been sitting through that sermon and I will leave it at that…
Tasha Kheirridan (sp??) has good column up at NatPost re:Iggy and starting a culture war.
Sammy – Great article by Tasha K for sure!
Another poll going horribly wrong here
http://www.ctv.ca/qp/
scroll down and it’s on the right hand side
63% against the gun registry, 37% in favour
Looks like Ignatieff is scoring another own-goal here.
Re Sammy’s comment about Pat Martin actually living in BC while representing a Winnipeg riding, I wonder what he does about his airfare back and forth to Ottawa. His MP pass would get him as far as Winnipeg, so does he pay the rest of the trip himself ? Every week that Parliament is sitting ? Enquiring minds want to know, because according to Westjet, that would be about $500 each way.
The Martin controversy was stirred up recently over his once again idiotic comments re funding for ‘faith-based’ centres in Wpg. It seemed Pat did some serious back-tracking once Richard Cloutier on CJOB brought this up. Apparently Martin owns a home on one of the hippy-dippy Islands in BC,and that is where majority of his time is spent..apparently.Will do more research,and let you kids know.
BTW,should I be concerned about my son becoming a flaming homophobe racist,just because he’s going to work in Gr.Prairie Alta??? Does that ‘nastiness’ just rub off when one moves to Alta?
Ezra’s making this issue stick AND he’s making it our news not the news of the LPOC, CBC or CTV.
The two most compelling lines in Ezra’s post are:
“Michael Ignatieff doesn’t understand Canada. He was away for 34 years. A crash course of reading, combined with visiting some airports and hotels on tightly-controlled Liberal junkets, can’t make up for that. Being an American or a Brit for his whole life can’t be unlearned; he just doesn’t know us, other than he knows he wants to rule us.”
And: “Ignatieff is following the Graves Strategy: instead of trying to court groups of Canadians who disagree with him, he’s demonizing them.”
Which tells me that Ignatieff is following Grave’s advice about creating a culture war in our country to the letter!
jt wrote: “Because on this issue, it’s their job, that’s why.
Conflicts of interest that benefit one interested party over another were a hallmark of ADSCAM. Here we have a public broadcaster CBC, funded with taxpayer’s money using a pollster with known ties to the LPOC, who has done a lot of business with them while they were in power (H/T Ezra Levant).”
My point jt is to suggest that at the moment as we’re less than a week into this all coming to the forefront the Government is in a much better position to let the public, bloggers and other Canadians react to this and let it simmer before getting any more involved. It’s much too soon and from an optics and political perspective it would be far better for the Government to react to a public outcry for a review or to take action when(and IF) the public does so and not before.
Right now the PM and his gov’t are still taking the high road and getting the business of the country taken care of and the country back on its feet economically, which we’re on the road to doing only because the PM and his gov’t haven’t been moved off their game yet.
I don’t believe for one minute that the LPOC or the CBC have defined the Harper gov’t at all.
They’ve tried miserably, failed and are continuing to do so. If anything we(the conservatives) are still doing a much, MUCH better job of defining the LPOC even without doing much and with Iggy using his own words to help us out.
I just think this will all unfold to the benefit of the Harper gov’t in the end.
I take offense at my taxdollars going to CBC period and have written a few times to the government and Min.of Finance saying so. There again though maybe the CBC is doing it all by themselves.
“BTW,should I be concerned about my son becoming a flaming homophobe racist,just because he’s going to work in Gr.Prairie Alta???”
It’s over Sammy, he’s going to become ONE OF US…haha
The photo of Iggy trying out that particular gym equipment is a phony as Iggy is an athlete.
Joanne, I go to the gym too and I know what has to happen to that particular piece of equipment when it is in use. The pulley lengthens as you pull down either in the shoulder-front or shoulder-behind motion.
Ignatieff is doing nothing but standing up and pretending to use the equipment just like he is pretending to be a leader and an occasional Canadian.
As for a caption – Iggy Might Appear Like He Is Raising The Bar But Look Closely Canada Because This Too Is An Illusion of Puffin Proportion!
OR Richco another caption idea
” Is it possible to lower the bar any further, Mike?”
Gee Bec..I guess I’ll have to give up on the ‘boy!’ eh?? I happen to have lived in that gorgeous prov (Okotoks and Calgary) yrs ago,and always wanted to move back.To this day I miss the mountains.We are still thinking about retiring out there..as soon as I get my attitude adjusted,so I hate everything and everybody,that isn’t white,heterosexual,rednecked,hates the planet,loves the oilsands…oh,I’m a Conservative,it’s already ‘inbred’
Did any of you ladies here get the memo,that we shouldn’t be partaking in the blogosphere? According to an Ipsos poll,commented on at the Dark Knight’s blog (WK)..”bloggers and those that read them,tend to be angry,white,college/univ educated MALES.Blogs are for boys,Facebook is for girls!What utter nonsense.I honestly think some of the finest bloggers (at least Cons bloggers) are female.Take for example,our fine hostess..and Kate at SDA to name just 2.What say you?
KORY TENEYCKE COMING UP LATER THIS HR ON ROY GREEN SHOW(CJOB)..TALKING ABOUT GRAVES/CBC
Thanks Sammy!
I see that Eric is getting a lot of well-deserved compliments on his very fine post. (Link on update.)
Green talking about the Graves debacle right now.
Come back, Sammy! When you mentioned your Okotoks/Calgary stint, I recall that you said that before.
Is this your RCMP son? We will welcome him with open arms! (and lower taxes)
Sammy: Gr Prairie is a great place and has great people. If, he is like a lot of people who have moved to AB, he will become a strong conservative, federally, and when he goes home to visit he will say, can’t wait to get back to Canada. You would be amazed at how many from Ont say that.
Lots of talk re a coalition govt next election at 308 blog. They would still need the Bloc no matter how they spin it.
Shouldn’t an MP live in the province he represents if not his riding. Get that info re Pat Martin living in BC to his voters. Wonder if they know.
Key words: “conservative”; “conservative”.
Down with socialism.
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“Landslide victory for Hungary’s conservative opposition
Hungary’s conservative opposition party Fidesz is poised for a two-thirds general election victory, second round results indicate.
With 97% of votes counted, the party had nearly 68% of the popular vote and 262 of the 386 seats in parliament, the national election committee said.
Almost a third of the seats were left to be decided on Sunday following the first round two weeks ago.
Fidesz promised to create jobs, lower taxes and reduce bureaucracy.
The ruling Socialists were in second place on 15% (59 seats), the far-right Jobbik had 12% (47 seats) and a new Green party called Politics Can be Different had 4.1% (16 seats).
Fidesz leader Viktor Orban is set to become prime minister.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8642456.stm
OT, but if you bought a Lottery Max ticket in Edmonton last week, check your ticket, you might have won 41 million dollars.
OOPs, I cheated someone out of a possible million, ticket worth 42 million. But remember what Chretian said about a few million.
Does anyone have the exact wording of the NDP bill, does it say judges must/should be bilingual, or fluent in both of Canada’s official languges, or must be fluent in english and french.
If it just says bilingual, no need to speak either language, it could mean mandarin and ASL.
Look up the word bilingual. Nowhere does it say must speak english and french, it says, the ability to speak fluently in more than one language.
New post up.
Is there an issue with the comments on the new post? I cannot see my comment (awaiting moderation) at all.
Ardvark – Thanks. It was in the spam filter for some reason. I rescued it.
Hey Bec,that’s not my RCMP son..he’s still stuck here with Ma in Manitoba! Actually the son going to GrPrairie has lived in Alta for over 10 yrs,mostly in Lloyd. area,then Calgary.He hates the city,and needed to get back to more rural roots.He works in that oh-so-dirty oil biz..and has tremendous job waiting for him.He will most likely never return to Manitoba..he feels Alta is HOME now,has made great friends out there,and loves the hunting (oooh,that awful gun thingy!),the fishing,the golfing,and many team sports with his ‘buddies.’ I am very proud to say,that both my boys are strong Cons…especially the one in uniform.He HATES anything to do with the Libs,and does NOT support the registry.
We happened to live in Alta at the time of Ralph’s ‘bums and scum’ days..and were relieved to not have been rejected for our Manitoba roots.We found Alta to be just as friendly as Man,and as I said before,I would move back in a heartbeat! Only thing keeping me here now,is a job I love,and my Grandbabies.
Thanks Joanne. Spam filter ‘eh.
OK, no more links to discount Viagra in my comments. =)
(wonders if this one will make it)
(wonders if this one will make it)
Nope.
LOL it didn’t.
Sorry if the above makes no sense but it is in regards to a reply to another comment that got (is) stuck in the spam filter.
CBC only has liberals as pundits a balance would be to either host Evans for half hour and the next half would be conservatives host; each host will interview parties like lib ndp cons and bloc the same with newspaper reporters.
Or, Evans appears with his people of choice on one day, while the next day the conservatives.
The same goes for the liberals pundits on Question Period. Let there be a full hour of Conservative pundits, reporters and Kory T, Ezra……
You can imagine the conservatives interviewing the liberals on the billions of dollars .
This nonsense of only liberal pundits being the host of CBC CTV Q/P etc is downright bias and rediculous.
Note to readers who commented yesterday on the discussion about the Lutheran Church broadcast where negative references appeared to be made regarding the Harper Government and Helena Guergis – I deleted that whole thread since I didn’t have recorded proof of the incident.
Joanne @ 8:07, at least your ears gave you some valuable info as to what’s going on and what passes for spreading the gospel from the pulpits.
Liz J – Yes, good point. I think we need to be vigilant about this kind of thing. I’m sure I’d be just as outraged if they had been saying something against the Liberals from the pulpit.
No really. Well I hope I would be.
Ekos got $61 million from the Libs? Check out link at Bourgue. Geeze, they’re a mutual admiration society and richer than we know.
Absolutely, politics from the pulpit is wrong no matter the brand, even snide remarks just don’t cut it.
Exactly. It’s like editorializing and Lord knows we have enough of that in MSM!
We really have to keep on this Frankie Graves file, an apology just doesn’t get him off the hook. He’s not dealing with business as usual under the wing of Chretien or Martin. Neither he or we are dealing with a friend or even a friendly foe.
He’s hired by the Liberals and paid by them, he’s polling for OUR CBC so for that he’s being paid by us and he’s not being up front about his politics, trying to pass himself off as a neutral. Check back to some of his polling, at one point he had the Liberals winning a majority with Iggy, another he had them winning a minority, the Conservatives didn’t quite measure up in his scientific polling method. Tell us polls don’t meddle with our democracy when it’s obvious they’re counting on it, otherwise why would they play such games?
Thanks to Kory, his masterful exchange with Frankie shed a lot of light in an area the Liberals and their pollster apparently wanted to keep under cover.
Just returned from a memorial service for a person who was very involved in a lot of Alberta issues, and very political.
One neighbor told of the first time she had met the man, 25 yrs ago, her husbands best friend from childhood. She said she was from Toronto and had a lot to learn about ranch life in Alberta.
She said, things were going fine till she mentioned PET, and this new friend went ballistic. The boos in the crowd today shows that that name still evokes rage here. Perhaps someone should tell Graves and liberals, we still remember and will never forget the NEP.
Wonder how the liberal agm is going in Lethbridge, with Justin as a main speaker.
Simple, PP works for the action parties. bluntly speaking the civic media on television plan for the liberals while the bloggers like you Joanne and others plan for the public.