Thank you Maxime Bernier for being the first politician to have the courage to publicly acknowledge what we all have been aware of for the last several months – that the so-called ‘settled science’ is unraveling and the alarmists’ hysteria is a crock as Lorrie Goldstein points out today – Mad Max makes sense. [Sidenote: MP Colin Mayes was pilloried by climate alarmists for expressing doubts to a constituent in December.]
In case you missed it, Maxime Bernier had the audacity to suggest that perhaps a bit of healthy skeptism might be in order before committing tons of money to attempt to solve a unsubstantiated problem that may or may not be able to be solved by human intervention. The opposition parties are saying that this is proof of where the Harper Government really stands on climate change, but many of us grassroot supporters only wish that were so.
Lorrie Goldstein is also a climate realist and truth seeker who feels that PM Harper should be taking the same approach as Bernier, but he gives the Conservative Government a back-handed compliment:
The good news is Harper is better on climate change than the opposition parties. The bad news is, that’s not saying much.
That’s for sure. Here is the alternative, Lorrie:
“The fact is, no one with any scientific credibility denies the science behind man-made climate change,” said Liberal science, industry and technology critic Marc Garneau, the former head of the Canadian Space Agency.
No one with any scientific credibility – Oh you mean Phil Jones? Bernier refers to him in a portion of his letter that was edited out by LaPresse:
…Phil Jones has admitted that we still do not know if the medieval period when the Vikings colonised Greenland was really warmer than today. But that if that was the case, it would contradict the claim that our era has been exceptionally warm due to human activity…
Marc Garneau must be living in a cave somewhere to make a statement like that. Does he not keep up with the news?
Lorrie Goldstein points out that we can still take a healthy, common-sense approach to the environment without buying into the alarmism:
…The reason he should pull Canada out of the UN-inspired Kyoto-Copenhagen madness, now, is that none of what it leads to — global cap-and-trade markets and/or carbon taxes — has worked in the real world.
Besides, unelected warmists have had their day with their never-ending “do what we say or the planet gets it” hysteria.
Canadians want sensible policies to (further) reduce air and water pollution and automobile emissions, make oilsands development environmentally sustainable, conserve energy, clean up toxic waste dumps, safely dispose of nuclear waste, provide clean drinking water to native reserves, preserve forests, put scrubbers on coal-fired electricity plants and expand public infrastructure, including effective public transit.
(As for renewable energy, let’s figure out what works and is economically viable before ramming unwanted industrial wind factories down people’s throats in rural communities, while savaging their democratic rights.)
All of these things make sense regardless of where one stands on climate change…
But back to Mmmm-Mmmm Maxime Maxime as some of my readers refer to him. Is it possible that Bernier is setting the stage for a future leadership bid? Robert Silver seems to think so. He’s comparing Bernier to Sarah Palin!
And ChuckerCanuk thinks this could herald the beginning of the Second Quiet Revolution in Quebec.
Jim Prentice seemed a bit testy yesterday when questioned about Maxime’s remarks:
“I did not talk to Maxime about that (letter) before it was published. As you know, there are many points of view on the science debate that is currently circulating around,” said Prentice in an interview in Washington, where his is discussing climate and energy issues with U.S. officials.
“The views that Maxime has put forward are his personal views. They are not the government’s view. I don’t specifically share them. He is certainly entitled to his perspective, but it is his perspective as an individual. It’s not the government’s perspective.”
Is it possible that Jim Prentice wishes he could also be as forthright as Bernier, but that he is shackled by his Cabinet position and by the fact that Canada must also be careful about policies that could affect trade with the U.S.?
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Update
Britain’s Weather Office Proposes Climate-Gate Do-Over – Fox News
I don’t think either Bernier or Palin has a future as leader of a government. In politics it’s always image over substance. Bernier will never be able to escape ‘boobgate’, and Palin will never escape from her Couric interview. They can still have a postive influence on their respective parties, rallying the troops, and influencing policy, but not as leader.
Bernier is expressing what many of us feel on the subject, that doesn’t make him leadership material.
Perhaps the PM will weigh the pros and cons and make a statement at least to acknowledge new information and get people thinking beyond the media wall of GW trumpeters.
Prentice has to go.
Bring it on! Mr. Bernier will you be my MP, Cuzner has got to go.
As the Catholic Church believed in the age of Galileo that the sun revolved around the earth, many conservatives believe in the age of climate change that the world revolves around the United States. They think if it’s cold here it must be cold everywhere. They see massive snowstorms in Washington, D.C., and exclaim that these storms disprove global warming.
While the global warming deniers rant, NASA scientists report that 2009 was tied as the second warmest year on record and that 2000-09 was the hottest decade on record.
Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration report that December 2009 was the second warmest on record for the global ocean surface temperature, and oceans cover 71 percent of the Earth’s surface.
“The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere ‘behaves’ over relatively long periods of time,” according to a feature on the NASA Web site.
What we are experiencing with January and February’s weather in the contiguous United States is not enough to discredit what scientists are reporting about climate change.
Furthermore, what we are experiencing is taking place in only a fraction of the globe. The contiguous United States covers only 1.5 percent of the Earth’s surface. Massive and multiple snowstorms here do not reflect the conditions for the remaining 98.5 percent of the Earth’s surface.
Thinking globally will help to keep us from buying into the loudness and redundancy of those who deny science and oppose constructive actions to address climate change.
What EFFECTIVE actions to address “climate change” do you suggest Andrew
Oh I think MMMMMMMaxime has already gotten past boobgate. I wouldn’t have looked twice at a Quebecker as a politician for anything before, but he has grabbed my attention with Policy!!!
Andrew, I trust you will also be contacting Lorrie Goldstein with your thoughts? If so please let us know how he responds. Thanks.
Only Greenies like Andrew could turn facts and common sense into an attack on the Catholic Church.
Andrew… stop and listen to yourself. You are just not credible!
You know, nowadays I just say “Scroll Baby Scroll” when any warmonger writes something. It’s a load of crap but they refuse to let go of their drug of choice….
Andrew, are these the same NASA “scientists” that had to admit last year they had “forgotten” to adjust their data for the time of day it was taken, and had to scale back their entire data, suddenly proving that 1934, and not 1998, was the hottest year on record?
There are NUMEROUS reports that 2000-2009 was a cooling period. Even Phil Jones agrees with that.
This is just for Andrew, wrapped up in a big Green bow: http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/012714.html
1. Forego or reduce dependence on fossil fuels.
2.Infrastructure upgrade-Buildings worldwide contribute around one third of all greenhouse gas emissions (43 percent in the U.S. alone)
3.Move Closer to Work—Transportation is the second leading source of greenhouse gas emissions (burning a single gallon of gasoline produces 20 pounds of CO2). But it doesn’t have to be that way.
One way to dramatically curtail transportation fuel needs is to move closer to work, use mass transit, or switch to walking, cycling or some other mode of transport that does not require anything other than human energy. There is also the option of working from home and telecommuting several days a week.
4.Consume Less—The easiest way to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions is simply to buy less stuff.
5.Be Efficient—A potentially simpler and even bigger impact can be made by doing more with less. Citizens of many developed countries are profligate wasters of energy.
6.Cut Down Fewer Trees—Every year, 33 million acres of forests are cut down.
7.Unplug—Believe it or not,we spend more money on electricity to power devices when off than when on. Televisions, stereo equipment, computers, battery chargers and a host of other gadgets and appliances consume more energy when seemingly switched off, so unplug them instead.
8.Renewable energy including energy from wind, solar, wave, biofuels, etc., substitutes directly for fossil fuels and eliminates CO2 emissions entirely. A small note of caution is needed – in a few cases, most notoriously certain biofuels, a large amount of energy input is required to create renewable energy, in some cases even exceeding the resulting energy output. Most renewable energy, however, is extremely efficient, and is poised to grow in importance due to the rising costs of fossil fuels. In many places where governments have stepped in to help this process along, renewables are already playing an important role.
Only Greenies like Andrew could turn facts and common sense into an attack on the Catholic Church.
Andrew… stop and listen to yourself. You are just not credible!
The term “greenie” does not offend me, I rather like it. Furthermore, my comment was not an attack on the Catholic Church, it was,however, a statement of fact. Do you not consider NASA credible?
Andrew, I trust you will also be contacting Lorrie Goldstein with your thoughts? If so please let us know how he responds. Thanks.
Lorrie Goldstein’s column proves that he is the real zombie, not those he ridicules. He again questions the validity of science that demonstrates clearly that climate change is real and due to human emissions of greenhouse gases.
The science supporting climate change has the support of at least 15 national academies of science including those of Canada, Australia, China, France, Germany, India, New Zealand and Sweden. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has accumulated an enormous body of knowledge proving that human-induced climate change is real. A tiny fraction of incorrect research does not invalidate the rest of it.
I have to say I enjoy turning on all the lights in my house on Earth Day. Andrew, you are freakin hilarious.
Several scientists published a 2009 study in Nature Geoscience,
predicting sea levels would go up 7cm and 82cm by 2100.
However, the authors recently retracted their findings, saying other
scientists had pointed out a few mistakes with their methodology.
And who could that have been?
Try Martin Vermeer of the Helsinki University of Technology, Finland,
and Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact
Research in Germany.
Their prediction in another study in 2009:
Sea levels would rise between 0.75m to 1.9m by 2100.
On the high level, that’s more than twice the rise predicted by the
now-retracted paper.
Objection: Despite what the computer models tell us, there is actually no evidence of significant global warming.
Answer: Global warming is not an output of computer models; it is a conclusion based on observations of a great many global indicators. By far the most straightforward evidence is the actual surface temperature record. While there are places — in England, for example — that have records going back several centuries, the two major global temperature analyses can only go back around 150 years due to their requirements for both quantity and distribution of temperature recording stations.
These are the two most reputable globally and seasonally averaged temperature trend analyses:
* NASA GISS direct surface temperature analysis
* CRU direct surface temperature analysis
Both trends are definitely and significantly up. In addition to direct measurements of surface temperature, there are many other measurements and indicators that support the general direction and magnitude of the change the earth is currently undergoing. The following diverse empirical observations lead to the same unequivocal conclusion that the earth is warming:
* Satellite Data
* Radiosondes
* Borehole analysis
* Glacial melt observations
* Sea ice melt
* Sea level rise
* Proxy Reconstructions
* Permafrost melt
There is simply no room for doubt: the Earth is undergoing a rapid and large warming trend.
I’m working at home this morning, throw anything you like at me concerning the science of climate change and I will attempt an intelligent answer.
I say forget the global warming crap and clean up the sewage systems that dump into our lakes and rivers. Go after pollution and have zero tolerance for any city that dumps raw sewage for any reason. Farmers get charged big time if they happen to have a manure spill, but cities get away with it all the time.
Some conservatives are clamouring for PM Harper to declare climate change a crock. That is completely unrealistic, IMO, tantamount to political suicide.
From the Goldstein column:
“Canadians want sensible policies to (further) reduce air and water pollution and automobile emissions, make oilsands development environmentally sustainable, conserve energy, clean up toxic waste dumps, safely dispose of nuclear waste, provide clean drinking water to native reserves, preserve forests, put scrubbers on coal-fired electricity plants and expand public infrastructure, including effective public transit.”
Many of those results would have been achieved by Rona Ambrose’s Clean Air Act, which the opposition quickly demolished, not because it lacked substance, but because it came from the Conservatives. They opposed it for the sake of opposing.
Some excerpts http://www.ronaambrose.com/EN/6609/59700:
“… We will not send taxpayers’ money overseas to buy credits. These are billions of dollars that could be invested in Canada to help reduce pollution right here at home, to build greener infrastructure, develop new technologies and make Canada more efficient and economically competitive. …
Our first focus is on domestic action to ensure that Canadians can enjoy clean air, clean water, clean land, clean and secure energy and healthy communities. We have already begun with an investment in made in Canada solutions that deliver real environmental and health benefits to Canadians by investing in new, greener, cleaner transportation and incentives to get Canadians out of their cars and into public transit. …”
I believe Mr. Prentice is going in the same direction. Calling for his removal from the environment file would compound the mistake made in removing Ambrose. It signals that the government doesn’t know where it’s headed on the environment file — which is not solely about “climate change” and GHGs.
Also, Canadians need to be told over & over that Canada is not the environmental black sheep it is being portrayed as.
• We produce a mere 2% of GHGs
• We are NOT the biggest producers per capita of GHGs, as the environment cabal claims, making Canadians who do not seek out information feel guilty.
As I posted on Jan 5 at the David Akin blog:
“On pages 89-91 of the International Energy Agency 2009 report http://www.iea.org/co2highlights/co2highlights.pdf, Tables on CO2 emissions per capita (2007 data) tell us:
1. Qatar: 58.01 tonnes per capita
2. United Arab Emirates: 29.91
3. Bahrain: 28.23
4. Kuwait; 25.09
5. Netherlands Antilles: 23.57
6. Luxembourg: 22.35
7. Trinidad & Tobago: 21.85
8. Australia: 18.75
9. Canada: 17.37
Tiny Luxembourg (surface area 2590 sq km compared to Canada’s 9 984 670 sq km), the Netherlands Antilles (surface area 800 sq km), and Trinidad & Tobago (5,130 sq km) produce more CO2 per capita than we in the 2nd largest and much colder country in the world do!
Those three tiny countries produce in total 67.77 tonnes per capita to Canada’s 17.37 tonnes. And Canada gets the fossil awards!?!”
I’m working at home this morning,
Getting much done, Andrew?
CM back on.
Not much actually, I broke my back over Christmas so I get as much done as possible. I can spend no more than 2 hours at a time in a chair. Thanks for your concern over my workload. Clearly, I’m not welcome around here. As you were.
ps. I have spend the 8 years studying climate change, and my research has convinced me that we have a serious problem. You shouldn’t “choose” to disagree based on partisan politics and second hand news from the Toronto Sun.
Andrew, here’s some of the big problems with all your assertions…
All that surface temperature data that says the planet is warming? It’s all deliberately falsified crap.
About all those shrinking glaciers? Well, fact is a helluva lot of ‘em are growing. And those that are shrinking, like Kilimanjaro’s, have been doing so since the early 1800s, long before the industrial age, with all its CO2 output, even got up and running.
Oh, yeah…and that shrinking Antarctic ice cap? Oops, wrong again, eh?
As for “settled science” of AGW? Not even close.
What’s AGW really all about? This pretty much sums it up, partner.
I could go on and on until Joanne runs me off her blog for taking up space, pal.
The bottom line is this: a) I resent and loathe being lied to as though I were a some sort of brainless amoeba. b) Having studied the history of Christianity to a considerable extent, I know an Inquisition when I see one. c) I also know zealotry and cultism when I see it. d) Consensus neither validates nor justifies lies, an inquisition, nor cultist zealotry.
Lastly, follow the money, sport. Tens and hundreds of billions worth of it. Which will lead you to what has become an “enviro” industry that makes its living on selling fear, to a financial sector smacking it collective lips at the prospect of piling up brokerage fees on a trillion dollar carbon/emissions trading racket, and to corporate board rooms who can’t wait to get their fair share of tens of billions of $$$ in government grants and subsidies worldwide for R&D.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Andrew. You’re being herded like a lamb to slaughter.
I recant! You’ve converted me! O glory be, I’ve seen the light.
I will be a climate warmist no more. What a fool I’ve been!
Al Gore’s Weather (AGW):
Pay no attention to the Weather; it’s a computer model.
AGW is a Fraud.
More, Maxime. More, and faster.
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“High Winds to Prove Destructive in the Northeast
On top of creating whiteout and blizzard conditions across parts of the Northeast, high winds accompanying a strong nor’easter will be forceful enough to cut power and cause damage to property.
From northeastern Pennsylvania and northwestern New Jersey through much of upstate New York, winds will whip snow around for several hours, lowering visibility to a quarter of a mile, or even less. This will nearly shut down travel through the area.
Strong onshore winds in eastern New England, where mostly rain will fall today, will bring above-normal tides, coastal flooding and beach erosion. Wind gusts could reach up to hurricane force along the coast, while gusts to 60 mph are possible farther inland.”
http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&article=2
http://www.maximebernier.com/en/2010/02/ges-le-canada-a-raison-detre-prudent/
AGWarmists inhabit the World of Illusion.
Da proof? Ask Liberal Citoyen Dionky and his successor, aka Green Shift Iffy.
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“All Is Illusion [John Derbyshire]
This is a gem. A chap named Jonathan Springston, senior staff writer at Atlanta Progressive News was let go. Why? He believed in reality. In APN’s own words:
At a very fundamental, core level, Springston did not share our vision for a news publication with a progressive perspective. He held on to the notion that there was an objective reality that could be reported objectively, despite the fact that that was not our editorial policy at Atlanta Progressive News. It just wasn’t the right fit.
All together now, you know the tune:
Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about . . .”
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Zjk0MzU1NWM0M2VlMGFkMDAxZDQ0Mzc1Y2MyOGQ5YmQ=
Another day in Paradise! Good mornin’ to all even Andrew. Woo-hoo Max Bernier is back! as far as Max survivin’ “bOOb-gate” I don’t know but they didn’t look like “lethal weapons” to this old guy. Mr Bernier isn’t the first person man or woman to get into trouble over an attractive other person with an agenda. Mr Mackay comes to mind, time for us all to move on. Mr Bernier is showing courage for his refreshing candor about the “Fraud” of Glo-bull warming, climate change, ice melting, polar bears doin’ drugs and all that other silly stuff.
“Give us all your money” or the “Earth” gets it!
I too enjoy turning on all the appliances on “Earth Day” all outside lights and even flashin’ up my vehicles! Woo-Hoo!
It has not escaped this old guys notice that April 22 – “Earth Day” is also Vladimir Lenins’s birthday, that sorta wraps up the whole thing for me, if a certain fruit- fly specialist comes sneakin’ up on my porch to change my light bulb I will give him a size 13 wedgie! I started to watch a taped interview with Mr Suzuki, He was using Hollywood and what if you were watching a movie called “Alien invaders from outer space” as an analogy for climate emergency, explaining how the POTUS would call up the other “World Leaders” to figure out how to handle this “Crisis” of “Alien Invasion” WHOA! little dude I cut that off right there, before his phone started to ring. Good analogy though the whole “climate charade” started as a very “Bad” movie, thanks Al. I am pleased to see it unravel, the “Warmies” have my permission to go live in caves, first send all your money to Al, Davey, and of course the worthy unelected despots at the U.N. They will turn down the “Big Thermostat” ensuring that we we will all escape burstin’ into flames, for our “sins” against “Mother Earth” who strangly enough appears in the movie just as the credits are rollin’ looks kinda familiar clad in a bright green Moo-Moo and a pair of gumboots is that you Liz?
Gabby at 10:38 – Thanks for those stats.
Andrew, the IPCC is so sure of its data that it is asking for a do-over.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/771050–answering-climate-change-skeptics
The UK’s Met Office is reviewing 150 years of data as apparently it was messed up by the CRU
In fact the only thing that seem to be truthful in the latest report from the UN is the period at the end of the first paragraph.
Mad Max is just saying what we all know.
If Lizzie May is pissed off….then it MUST be good news!
Big Al’s BoobGate.
Canadian “Liberal leader” Boob Rae, is Canadian UNabomber Maurice Strong’s nephew.
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“Britain’s Independence Party Wants to Ban Gore’s Film from Schools
The Independence Party in Great Britain wants to ban Nobel Laureate Al Gore’s fact-challenged schlockumentary “An Inconvenient Truth” from being shown in schools.
The British Telegraph reported [1] Thursday:
Following a number of scandals around the science of climate change, UKIP are promising to launch a Royal Commission led by a High Court judge to investigate whether global warming is man-made.
Wait. It gets better:
Pending the results of the commission, the party, that has no MPs at the moment, have promised to build new fossil-fuelled power stations to meet energy demands and scrap subsidies for wind farms. Global warming ‘propaganda’ like the Al Gore film Inconvenient Truth will be banned in schools and public authorities will not be allowed to spend money on climate change initiatives.
Yikes.
Can you imagine an American political Party taking such a position, and how our press would go absolutely apoplectic?”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2459099/posts
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“Power Corporation of Canada: Facts, Discussion Forum, and …
John A. Rae is an executive with Power Corporation of Montreal, former Liberal Party … Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chrétien and brother of Canadian politician Bob Rae. …. Former member of the Liberal Party of Canada Maurice Strong …
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/…/Power_Corporation_of_Canada – Cached – Similar
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Jean Chretien and the Sidewinder Report
If Hussein had managed to retain power, Jean Chretien’s family stood to make millions. … Bob Rae, while Premier of Ontario, appointed Maurice Strong as chairman … Martin was previously on the board of Power Corp and formerly on the …
http://www.primetimecrime.com/contributing/…/20050120Gray.htm
C’mon now, Andrew. Admit it. You’re not even remotely interested in “the light”.
That’s because you’ve dedicated yourself to an “ideology”. Indeed, it’s even become how you define your very being.
Thus, you have no interest whatsoever in exploring anything even remotely counter to an ideology that defines quite literally who you think you are.
Because, God forbid, if you found out your ideology was dead wrong, even a deliberate sham, then what would that say about you? Right?
So you won’t follow up on any of those links I supplied for you.
Here’s a tip for you: Step outside your supposedly safe little shell for just a bit and have a look around. Weigh your sacred ideology against reality, see if it holds up.
You’ll survive the experience, I assure you. And you’ll be better off for it, too.
Just sayin’…
Bankrupt Europe has a lesson for Congress about wind power.
Wiwo…wiwo…wiwo.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/wind_energys_ghosts_1.html
Renewable energy is a nice idea, but Peter Lang crunches the numbers and finds solar and wind power are crushingly expensive, do little for greenhouse gas reduction, and are ecologically dangerous. Cap and trade is actually a giant scheme to tax and redistribute, for the benefit of political insiders.
http://landshape.org/enm/renewable-energy-uneconomic-and-ecologically-dangerous/
“Obama Years Ago Helped Fund Carbon Program He Is Now Pushing Through Congress” is a FOXNews story by Ed Barnes. In short, “While on the board of a Chicago-based charity, Barack Obama helped fund a carbon trading exchange that will likely play a critical role in the cap-and-trade carbon reduction program he is now trying to push through Congress as president.”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9629
Robins111 – From your link to the Star:
Obviously they have too much invested to give up quietly.
Off topic Joanne
Liblogs are having a knaniption over Tabers article questioning weather Count Iggy was cheering for the Russians over Canada last night.
Steve V at Far and wide is finally calling Taber a gossip.
I told WFDS that Iggy can still root for his other country the United States to beat our Great Canadian hockey team for the gold medal.
You need to do a blog on who’s country Iggy is cheering for Russia or the United States
No issue in Canada is more important to our future as a major oil producer. This issue should be taken out of the hands of politicians like Prentice who frankly has no science background on which to make an intelligent decision.
A Royal Commission should be mandated to establish what is fact or fiction.
Where is the Fruit Fly Doc these days? Could he be stuck in someone’s beer fridge?
Some partisans want Harper to move a lot further and a lot faster, taking on the climate-change fraud with gusto. But let’s keep two things in mind:
1. Pollsters Bruce Anderson and Nik Nanos have said that Harper cannot win on the environment file. According to them, the best he can do is neutralize it.
2. Let’s not forget how the Opps and “third parties”, with lots of help from the media, ganged up on us with their over-torqued prorogation narrative. The same sort of thing could easily happen on the climate file.
Maxime’s op-ed is an (unofficial), incremental move of the Party’s position to the right. For me, that’s good enough for now. I’m not looking for Harper to hit a home run in the Opps environmental ball park. A single is good enough.
Steve – Charles Adler was just discussing this briefly at 2 pm.
Fear* and Hope* are driving/herding the AGW Fraud into the abyss of history.
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“Climate scientists hope independent reviews will reverse public’s loss of trust”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7039264.ece
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“Charles Lamb:
“Hope* is charming, lively, blue-eyed wench, & I am always glad of her company, but could dispense with the visitor she brings with her, her younger sister, fear*, a white liver’d-lilly-cheeked, bashful palpitating, awkward hussey that hangs like a green girl at her sister’s apron strings & will go with her whithersoever she goes.”
(Letters of Charles and Mary Anne Lamb)
OT/ Cheryl Bernard’s team just advanced to the gold medal game in women’s curling!
Calgary Junkie makes excellent points. I totally agree, but I see no harm in Bernier doing what he’s doing and really down deep Harper not really doing much to muzzle him because party that we are we accept both views.
I’m surprised that you didn’t catch the Globe and Mail’s “Harper’s Mad Max Headache” column headlined at Bourque. You will recognize some of the quotes the G&M has up from contributions to Tory blogs. I’m pretty sure two of them were lifted from your blog Joanne.
Who says that participating on blogs doesn’t help the media spin their stories?
Robins111 – From your link to the Star:
… The report’s conclusion that Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035 turned out to be incorrect, an error that bolstered arguments from climate skeptics that fears of global warming are overblown.
A UN conference in Copenhagen in December failed to achieve a binding deal on curbing greenhouse gas emissions.
But Ban said it was important that the conference set a target of keeping keep global temperatures from rising, and established a program of climate aid to poorer nations.
“To maintain the momentum, I urge you to reject last-ditch attempts by climate skeptics to derail your negotiations by exaggerating shortcomings in the … report,” Ban said at the start of an annual UN meeting of environmental officials from 130 countries on the Indonesian resort island of Bali.
“Tell the world that you unanimously agree that climate change is a clear and present danger,” Ban said.
Obviously they have too much invested to give up quietly.
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And that’s the real problem, isn’t it?
Science isn’t about consensus…politics is. Science is about demonstrable fact, and the facts lately have been driving nails into the AGW coffin at the rate of one or two per month (sometimes once a week). In the face of all this, how long can these people reasonably expect to keep up the charade?
Oh, yeah…they are managing a few ‘last gasp’ attempts to salvage their position. “The oceans are becoming more acidic from absorbing all the excess CO2!”, they cry. Well, no…they’re not. And your much vaunted computer models didn’t predict any such thing, did they? “The CO2 will stay in the atmosphere for 50 years…we have to act NOW to prevent a catastrophe!” Again, no…recent studies have proven otherwise. 5-6 years is all it would take to dissipate. And the old “higher CO2 = higher temperatures”? That was one of the first to fall when it was discovered the the higher temperatures came first, followed by the CO2 rise.
Then of course there are all the recently exposed attempts at deliberate scientific fraud. Why would anyone even listen to a word these people say anymore?
Blogging Tories gets a mention in the Mop and Pail.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/silver-powers/harpers-mad-max-headache/article1480814/
Nobody is asking Harper, or Maxime Bernier, to come out and denounce Global Warming as a money-sucking scam.
All we’re asking for is a full and open debate on the subject of Global Warming as it relates to Climate Change and whether or not mankind can influence it.
Why would anyone even listen to a word these people say anymore?
Fred, they’re desperate and will try anything they can at this point – shame, humiliation, propaganda – anything but solid science.
Richco:“Who says that participating on blogs doesn’t help the media spin their stories?”
Okay, I just read the Globe’s Mad Max article by Joan Bryden, and found this:
“Blogging Tories tended to see Bernier breaking with official Harper government policy and were grateful. “Maxime Bernier for Prime Minister!” declared one. “Finally, someone on the government side with the cajones to speak out.”
“Somebody certainly appears to be testing the proverbial waters,” mused another.
So if you see yourself quoted, welcome to the msm’s spin machine !
The coalition stooges, the Globe, CTV, CBC, “third party” eco-twits, facebook rabble-rousers, etc etc are all salivating at the prospect of torquing up this “climate change denier” narrative up to stratospheric heights.
Harper’s go slow, incremental approach is the way to go, given the many hostile players on the tilted playing field.
He’s got a solid narrative re focusing on the economic recovery, jobs and the deficit. No need to get diverted with major moves on the enviro file.
Donolo KNOWS that Harper has a great economic narrative, and so is throwing out every diversion he can think of, to muddy the waters.
O/T – Our PM’s back at the Olympics cheering on our hockey girls!
“full and open debate on the subject” – that’s now next to impossible with the environuts having brainwashed enough young people in an almost cultish way which leads me to believe that full and open debate isn’t in the cards when two sides are so entrenched.
What will move people though is to wait until the HST kicks in in Ontario and they start feeling the effects of Dalton’s Green Plan in their wallets, their kid’s tuition etc.
P.S. – folks here may be interested on the list of speakers invited to Iffy Waffle’s Thinkers Conference, up at Liblogs.
Sure looks like more than a few thinkers indeed.
I wonder how many of the folks here Iffy intends to snag to replace those likely to leave as soon as their pensions are assured?
Perhaps one of these could be Iffy’s successor?
right on Calgary Junkie
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Fred from BC says at 4:05 pm:
“And the old “higher CO2 = higher temperatures”? That was one of the first to fall when it was discovered the the higher temperatures came first, followed by the CO2 rise.”
That’s right, and the alarmists hide that fact. Neither do they refer to the effects of sunspot activity on the world’s temperatures!!
The alarmists keep talking about climate change. They must take us for fools. The reality is that climate change is normal and ongoing. It’s nothing new.
First, it was global warming and now it’s climate change. How foolish they are.
They say man is causing global warming/climate change. They want us to believe that man can alter the forces of mother nature. How foolish they are.
It’s all about the money. They continue to push this fraud out of desperation. The more often they repeat it, the more likely it will be believed — they hope. There’s too much to lose. They’ll continue to push their agenda for all its worth.
Andrew actually does have one point right in his list. We should stop cutting down the tropical rain forests to produce sugarcane for ethanol and palm oil for biodiesel. The destruction of the rain forests will the greatest ecological disaster since the asteroid if these “environmentalists” are not stopped.
The annual meeting of my EDA is tonight, and here I am posting a comment on Blue Like You. I resigned from the BOD in December and I am no longer a party member. Jim Prentice is the reason I no longer support the Conservatives. A huge opportunity has been lost. Maxine’s approach by Prentice would have forced the MSM to cover the scandals that they have been hiding if they wanted to criticize government policy. Unlike in Winnipeg, Jim will not have to put with listening to me about the problems in AGW science at the next national convention.
Wow. That is the party’s loss, Swift.
FYI, Lorrie Goldstein posted a response on the Sun comment forum:
February 25th 2010, 8:53am
Thanks folks, for the good discussion, except for the trolls. It’s great to have so many readers and defenders. As for the trolls, they are best ignored. Perhaps, rather than attacking me, they could provide examples of where in the world cap-and-trade or carbon taxes have actually reduced greenhouse gas emissions. Also, how they would stop the multi-billion-dollar frauds now common in carbon markets? To James, noted. We will continue to disagree, but I may have been hasty in my initial judgment as well.
Boy, Lorrie has more patience than I would.
Watched the medal ceremony for our women’s hockey team and there was the PM, with Wayne G and Premier Campbell singing their hearts out when our Anthem was played.
Congratulations to all those who played.
CJ…
“Somebody certainly appears to be testing the proverbial waters,” mused another.
I’m sure that’s the first time I’ve ever been quoted in a major newspaper.
Ironically, it had to turn up in a Liberal rag.
Heh!
Congrats Springer! You’re famous now.
Fraud Beat: A Joint Report by AGW & Swine.
The Best from manbearpigs: WHO & UNOIPCC.
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“Swine Flu Casualties Far Below White House Projections, Latest Mortality Data Show
New statistics on the H1N1 swine flu strain show that it is no longer a “pandemic” in the United States, and that fatalities here never came close to the levels projected by the White House last fall.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2459688/posts
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“Breaking News: IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri to face independent inquiry
26 02 2010
Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC Chairman
Excerpts from the Telegraph article
By Geoffrey Lean, in Bali
Rajendra Pachauri, the controversial Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is to face an international inquiry into the performance of his organisation.
Environment and Climate ministers meeting in closed session in Bali last night insisted that an independent review should be carried out following the publicising of mistakes in its last report, and a row surrounding Dr Pachauri’s robust response to his critics. If his management is found to be at fault his position could become untenable.
Participants in the unprecedented meeting – held at the annual assembly of the Governing Council of the United Nations Environment Programme’s (UNEP) Governing Council in Bali – were sworn to secrecy over the decision and it is only expected to be announced after its detaled scope and composition have been worked out by UNEP and the World Meteorological Organisation, the two UN agencies that oversee the IPCC’s work.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013446.html
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Watched that medal ceremony for our women’s hockey team too Mary,great stuff.
Wondering if all the Liberals will be dissing Wayne, the Great One, for appearing so often with our great PM?
They’re so jealous and covetous for power they’ve got to be hurting.
I noticed on Kady O’s blog yesterday that the Harper haters were out in full force hating Gretsky now.
Did Max forget why he was fired last year? He was caught [portion deleted by blog admin.] No one else has forgotten. Max is just a pretty boy, he’s a lightweight.
Stephen McIntyre – Nobel Prize for truth in science:
http://www.climateaudit.info/pdf/mcintyre-scitech.pdf
Outing a fraud. What’s Prentice waiting for, a personal invite? He should fire the lot at Environment Canada for conspiracy to commit fraud. The silence out of that taxpayer funded department is deafening.
Great link there Jt. So much to read, so little time.
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