Tarek Fatah’s front page column in the National Post is a must-read for anyone following the Kingston canal murders – To Cure Honour Killings ‘Cancer’.
To try to find one section to highlight as particularly important would be difficult because the whole piece is a crucial and insightful analysis of the misogynistic attitude of some Muslims who seem to believe that women are merely chattels of their menfolk – without any rights.
Of course a culture clash is bound to erupt in our North American society where women are deemed to be equals of men.
A few days ago I asked, How are we going to stop this?
Tarek Fatah believes he has the answer – It must start with the religious heads of the community:
…Not until Muslim clerics and imams seriously abandon their notion about women being the possession of men will we begin to address the cancer of honour killings…
But how will they be convinced to do that?
Yesterday on Newstalk 570′s Jeff Allan show, Fatah was interviewed on this subject and he mentioned something to the effect that Imams in Canada need to stand up and say that women are not the ’source of sin’ and that consensual sex is not grounds for execution.
We can’t change the whole world, but we need to be trying to protect these Canadian Muslim women and children right here in our own communities. If it has to start with the religious leaders, then perhaps they need to be educated on what it means to be a Canadian.
Perhaps we also need to be a bit more vigilant when it comes to screening the attitudes of potential immigrants. If they refuse to open their minds to Canadian values, then we have a problem.
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Related: An article in yesterday’s National Post included a list of suspected ‘Honour killings’ in Canada.
The victims include:
AQSA PARVEZ
Aqsa Parvez, a 16-year-old girl, was found strangled in her family’s Mississauga home in December 2007, a killing that drew significant international attention. Her 57-year-old father, Muhammad Parvez, and his 26-year-old son, Waqas, are charged with first-degree murder in the case, which has yet to go to trial. Friends said Aqsa had been at odds with her family over her refusal to wear the hijab, the Islamic headscarf worn by some Muslim women. She had also been spending time away home, staying with another family who described her as a “typical” teenager who yearned for acceptance. She was reportedly trying to repair her strained relationship with her family in the days leading to her death.
AMANDEEP ATWAL
Amandeep Atwal, 17, died of multiple stab wounds in 2003 at the hands of her father, Rajinder Singh Atwal, who was convicted of second-degree murder in the case. He had brought his teenage daughter to hospital in Langley, B. C., claiming she had inflicted the wounds on herself, but court heard that Mr. Atwal disapproved of the 17-year-old’s love affair with a classmate, who was a year older. Her boyfriend, Todd McIsaac, said the two carried on their romance in secret over a two-year period after meeting in science class. Friends, his family and some of their teachers were reportedly turned into co-conspirators to keep the relationship secret from Ms. Atwal’s parents, as she was forbidden to date.
KHATERA SADIQI
Khatera Sadiqi, 20, and her fiance, Feroz Mangal, 23, were gunned down in the early hours of Sept. 19, 2006, in a car parked outside an Ottawa shopping plaza. Her 23-year-old brother, Hasibullah Sadiqi, was found guilty on two counts of first-degree murder, with the judge in the case saying a “twisted sense of values” led him to murder the pair. The trio had been out for dinner and a movie with friends, and conversation eventually turned to their father, from whom Ms. Sadiqi was estranged. Hasibullah told the court he had wanted his sister to respect that their father was “there for us” during their youth and became angry when Mr. Mangal did not back him up. The Crown argued it was an honour killing sparked by anger over the couple’s engagement.
AMANDEEP KAUR DHILLON
Amandeep Kaur Dhillon, 22, was fatally stabbed in the neck in the basement of a Mississauga grocery store on New Year’s Day, 2009. Her father-in-law, 47-year-old Kamikar Singh Dhillon, was also found at the scene of the crime with stab wounds later determined to have been self-inflicted. He was initially treated as a victim, but was later charged with first-degree murder in the crime. Media reports suggested that Ms. Dhillon, who had a young son living in India, was in an arranged marriage, with her family paying a dowry of more than $100,000.
SHEMINA HIRJI
Shemina Hirji, a 40-year-old school principal, died in her Burnaby, B. C., townhouse in the summer of 2007, less than a week after she married 34-year-old Paul Cheema. Mr. Cheema, who was widely suspected in her murder, was found dead of an apparent suicide about a week later. Ms. Hirji was of the Muslim faith while Mr. Cheema was Sikh, and the pair had reportedly been quarrelling over wedding bills. He told police intruders had invaded his home, attacked him and killed his wife, but his injuries were found to be minor. It was later revealed that Mr. Cheema had been jailed in Winnipeg in 1995 after twice threatening to harm another former girlfriend, with whom he was arranged to be married.
JASWINDER KAUER SIDHU
Jaswinder Kauer Sidhu, 25, was found with her throat slit in June 2000 after moving to India to live with her new husband, a poor rickshaw driver of whom her family disapproved. The B. C.-born woman’s husband, Sukwinder Singh, was brutally beaten and left for dead just a day earlier. Ms. Sidhu had reportedly told her friends in British Columbia that she feared her family because she had married Mr. Singh despite their objections. Police in Punjab charged nine people with conspiracy to kill Ms. Sidhu; among those charged was her mother, Malkiat Kaur, and her uncle, Surit Singh Badesha, both of Maple Ridge, B. C. Seven others who were charged in India were sentenced to life in prison.
I am grateful to the National Post for compiling and publishing this list. These were Canadian women. We let them down.
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Sunday Update: Imported evil of honour killing – Calgary Herald:
...This is not just a matter for the justice system but one for community leaders and the clergy. The latter two groups have a key role to play in heading off the potentially lethal intercultural and inter-generational disputes which sometimes lead to the murder of children from these cultures by their parents. They also have the authority and the linguistic capabilities to approach and educate recent arrivals about life in Canada, and to make them aware that in this country, women and girls are autonomous individuals, free to live their lives as they please.
This last bit is especially important. Immigrants are welcome but must realize they are expected to internalize Canadian values and leave behind repugnant archaisms such as this utterly skewed understanding of what constitutes male honour, and the obligation of feminine submissiveness…
Yeah well, not according to P.E.T.
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Tuesday Update: Deaths renew honour killing debate – Mindelle Jacobs, Sun
what are the Canadian Laws?
prosecute murders
deport anyone who takes our Canadian citizenship and pledges to uphold the Canadian laws and defend Canada and then proceeds to break the Canadian laws
New Canadians who immediately travel back to their country of origin should be stripped of their Canadian citizenship and be required to reapply even our provincial health care requires that you live in the province for one year after applying
are we as Canadian citizens not required to spend some time in Canada?
many Canadians are gainfully employed in Foreign countries as was Michael Ignatieff they as he consider themselves Canadian citizens
they defend Canada when necessary and obey the laws of the country where they work if they do not obey the law they are deported or put in jail
maybe I am out in left field
I am a proud Canadian
fh
Over the last few days, I ‘ve watched interviews with numerous Muslims who have stated that they have a real issue with the term “honour killing”. It seems that they think it is intentionally inflammatory when applied on a cultural or religious level, and that all it does is stir up raw emotions.
Too bad, it is what it is. When the Catholic Church was reeling from various sexual abuse scandals, they had to take it on the chin for often not addressing the issue in an assertive manner. Now that the shoe is on the other foot when Islam is involved, the left-tards look the other way. Funny, that.
What a tragic irony. Canada is the country these people say they came to in order to seek a better life and a refuge free from persecution. Yet this one horrid example of how they continue to carry on that persecution against each other right here within our midst. Again, the left-tards invariably squeal when we demand that these immigrants not bring their old hatreds, wars, and ingrained cultural prjudices here if they truly came to seek a better life. However, when we do, we are deemed intolerant, and racist for making such a demand.
Hypocrisy – the perpetual hallmark of the left.
Yet this one horrid example of how they continue to carry on that persecution against each other right here within our midst.
Yes. Exactly.
I think the problem is that we are reluctant to criticize this type of mindset because it might appear that we are attacking someone’s culture.
But when the values are diametrically opposed to our own, then I don’t see how we can turn a blind eye in all good conscience.
And to think McGuinty’s Ontario almost got Sharia Law! What could our legals have done about this type of murder under our Charter?
In today’s NP, Issues and Ideas we have two great columns: “As Muslim women suffer, feminists avert their gaze” by Robert Fulford.
Also by Father Raymond J. De Souza: “In Ontario’s Heartland, Shades of A Foreign Evil”.
This being foremost in the news may give some opportunity for action by our government to hammer home to all who come here exactly what will not be tolerated. If they can’t abide our laws in this civil society they cannot stay.
We have really no way of knowing what hell Muslim women could be living in their own households even in this country.
“We let them down.”
We let them down? No.
These women were murdered by Muslims.
The left-socialists-marxists are allied* with Islam.
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No guilt trip for Canadians.
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*[The Islamist-Leftist] Allied Menace
“Here are two brother countries, united like a single fist,” said socialist Hugo Chávez during a visit to Tehran last November, celebrating his alliance with Islamist Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Che Guevara’s son Camilo, who also visited Tehran last year, declared that his father would have “supported the country in its current struggle against the United States.” They followed in the footsteps of Fidel Castro, who in a 2001 visit told his hosts that “Iran and Cuba, in cooperation with each other, can bring America to its knees.” For his part, Ilich Ramírez Sánchez (“Carlos the Jackal”) wrote in his book L’islam révolutionnaire (“Revolutionary Islam”) that “only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States.”"
http://www.danielpipes.org/5720/the-islamist-leftist-allied-menace
NNW has the story re the 8 yr old girl. Maybe that will wake people up.
Maz2, I think we as a society let them down when we tiptoe around the multiculturalism issue.
If the Muslim Leader’s were sincere they should be spending more effort condemning the behavior and preventing future murders through cooperation with the authorities rather than just protecting Islam’s public image. But all I’ve heard from them is complaining about stereotyping Muslims. Of course each case needs to be be considered separately but if possible future victims are to be saved we need to ignore their bloviating and find a way to protect these young ladies.
change muslim minds. have you read the koran and other islamic stuff. until that changes nothing else will.
The feminists (and leftists in general) have always been content to whistle while walking past the prvoverbial (Muslim) graveyard. (pun intended). I don’t know why some people are also quick to recite that stale ‘Islam is piece’ pap as well. There will always be those that suck up to the bully in hopes that thier ass will be kicked last.
uhh, make that ‘peace’
Of course each case needs to be be considered separately but if possible future victims are to be saved we need to ignore their bloviating and find a way to protect these young ladies.
Gerry, I agree but if these young women are living at home under fear of death, then the only other alternative is to help them get away from their families which would be very difficult.
Nice to hear from you, BTW.
OWG @#9 – That’s the thing. These so-called honour killings are apparently not found in the Koran according to Fatah’s column.
As I said, it is true that the Koran does not sanction such murders, but man-made sharia law, which has been falsely imputed divine status, does allow for the killing of women if they indulge in pre-marital or extramarital consensual sex.
Eskimo – That strategy sure doesn’t seem to be working in Europe.
Do the families of rapists let them back into the home. It appears muslims dislike the term honor killing more than they detest the act.
Due to political correctness and the media’s refusual to use Islam or Muslim in their stories, and the fact that if in jail we must honor their religion, we have given our tacit approval that honor killing is ok.
If they are so religious, why are they in jail. Treat them as all prisoners are treated, no special diet or prayer mats.
Maybe we have to look at every female muslim as a potential murder victim, and every muslim father as a potential murderer.
Think of all the special treatment that has been given to this religion of murder. Toilets facing east, foot baths, special prayer rooms in universities, and what else. Think of all the privilegs gitmo prisoners get.
Again, if they are so peaceful, why are they in jail.
Joanne, help is coming in from all over, to give that 8 yr old a good home. She should not be allowed to go back to her family, and the father and mother should be deported ASAP.
Liz, thanks for those links. I’ll check them out.
The list omitted at least two more occasions. Many years ago, a father was accused in B C (Burnaby, I think) of turning his daughter’s kettle into a bomb because he disapproved of her husband. And more recently, in Calgary, a man gunned down his sister, her husband, and the man who befriended them. The reason? Apparently the woman and her husband were considered to be too closely related. If memory serves, these were both in the Sikh community. More recently, the brother was trying to get parole.
It is happening in certain immigrant communities. Religion may be a factor; cultural control certainly is. I agree, though, the spiritual leaders of these communities have to speak out and condemn these killings.
I have a problem with the phrase “honour killing”. Using the word “honour” seems to imply some justification, almost an entitlement, to act.
These are simply brutal and disgusting murders committed by parents on their children, so let’s call it a spade a spade here. There is no justification in THIS country, in THIS culture, for THIS kind of behaviour.
Joanne,
Here’s my letter to Robert Fulford in response to “As Muslim women suffer, feminists avert their gaze” in today’s National Post.
“I have heard and felt the verbal lashings from feminists for four decades now: the family structure as inherently violent, men and fathers bent on demeaning patriarchal attitudes toward women, and the Canadian workplace skewed in favour of men.
“To be fair, there is truth to their accusations. But with their silence in the face of a more flagrant violation of a woman’s well-being, I’m left wonder what their real agenda has been all these years.”
Perhaps in the broad sense of “we let these women down” we did. Our governments and multicultural policies could be a factor in that they encourage immigrants, people who have short or no history with our way of life to ghettoize.
Is it an appropriate time, given these latest murders by evil fanatics, the government take a severe look at abolishing Multiculturalism in it’s present form and do whatever it takes to get it done? It’s insidious and one of the biggest threats to having a strong, unified country. It may take a few decades but eventually we will be reduced to a Balkan state.
Joanne @ # 07.
Yes; but, the Liberal Party of Iggy, et al, is the party of Liberal PET’s (cursed be his memory) multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism was imposed by a fiat/order of Trudeau and his acolytes; PET bypassed Parliament; here is the end result.
The albatross of PET’s multiculturalism is not dead enough.
Bury PET’s multiculturalism in PET’s PET Cemetery.
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“Trudeau Speech – Heritage Community Foundation
Announcement of Implementation of Policy of Multiculturalism Within Bilingual Framework Right Hon. P.E. Trudeau (Prime Minister): Mr. Speaker, …”
http://www.abheritage.ca/albertans/speeches/trudeau.html
In my part of the city there are quite a few women who wear the black or dark burkas covering everything but their eyes.
It makes me sad to see this – actually strikes me right to my soul.
They are in the malls usually with numerous children and probably one on the way. The children are beautiful and dressed like other kids. Then at a certain age the girls are then deprived of their own personality or identity.
Imagine going to high school covered that way.
It is so very very sad isn’t it.
In the case of the raped 8 year old girl:
”The girl was turned over to state Child Protective Services after her family disowned her”
As ugly as the situation is, at least the family found a way to obey both their religious beliefs and the laws of the country they lived in.
At least the family found a way to obey both their religious beliefs and the laws of the country they lived in.
Good point. I have heard of some Muslim men punishing their womenfolk after they’ve been raped because they are ‘damaged goods’ and bring disgrace to the family.
Therefore this particular family probably chose the best path under the circumstances although I cannot imagine a mother being able to give up her own child like that.
Link here BTW.
See? It’s always the female’s fault – even if she’s only 8 years old.
I see that several people have commented on the strange silence of the feminists on these issues. I personally believe that to understand this, we should look at the feminist organizations’ as they exist today.
In the past, feminists had a definitive agenda, such as equality in the workplace, in the courts, etc. they were also active a century ago, making sure that women had the right to vote.
However the feminist agenda has been manipulated into an ongoing social engineering program which bears striking resemblance to the Liberal/NDP social programs.
If the feminists were forced to have to confront the honour killing issue they would also be forced to have to deal with the greatest hypocrisy flopped onto the Canadian public. They have for years made an item of a mass murderer named Gamil Gharbi, and used him to guilt trip every white male in Canada.
They hold annual memorials for his victims and use these occasions to damn the so called Neanderthal males. If they opened the door to this, I suspect that many of their issues would be shown for what they really are.
The interesting thing is, they carefully refrain from calling him Gamil, they prefer to refer to him as Mark Lapine.
How can any belief/religion take over the heart and soul of any human being to the point of such evil behaviour? Such beliefs should be treated as dangers to any society and banned as such. They are not now or ever will be accepted in our civilized societies governed by the rule of law.
Tarik Fatah knows where the answer lies but will that advice ever be taken?
When we sit back and allow such treatment of women and young female children we’re part of the problem.
Tossing out a little 8 year old girl for being abused is an outrage,for gawds sake we don’t
treat dogs like that.
Has Obama spoken out on this case?
Jeff @#19 – Excellent letter! Did you write that to Fulford himself or as a letter to the editor?
In any case, please let us know if you get a reply.
Where are the Libs and the Dippers on this? Where are all the organizations for women’s rights? They are supposed to be for women’s rights aren’t they?
At least that’s what they profess.
NO woman or girl should have to put up with this kind of treatment especially in a country like ours. This should not be allowed to happen period.
Muslim women and all women for that matter in this country must speak out and lobby all MPs and MLAs to put a stop to this. We must stand shoulder to shoulder with our Muslim sisters. They do not deserve this at all.
We should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing this kind of horrible thing to go on.
This is CANADA for goodness sake!
Muslim women and all women for that matter in this country must speak out and lobby all MPs and MLAs to put a stop to this.
For some reason politicians of all stripes seem to be reluctant to face this issue.
Lowell Green’s CFRA talk show focused on this issue on Friday.Essentially ,since Trudeau changed this country from a bi-cultural society to a multi-cultural society and entrenched those rights into the Constitution[without a parliamentary vote,by the way,]there are no longer any”canadian values under canadian law ” that say,for example..” settling family issues by killing family members is not acceptable in our society.Nobody sits down with new immigrants and says”honour killings are not recognized in Canada..we call it murder and you will pay the price under our laws if you subcribe to it” or”in Canada,women are equal to men under the law and if you cannot accept that,you have no business in this country” Nobody addresses these issues because,under the law,immigrants have as much rights as anybody else once they step on canadian soil.Under the constitution,no majority culture can impose their values on minority groups..to do so is considered racist….SO THANK YOU Mr.TRUDEAU AND THANK YOU LIBERAL LEFT WING GOVERNMENTS…….Before the issue of “honour killings”is dealt with,canadian values as we know them under canadian law will have to be entrenched in the Constitution..only then can you outline the expectations of this society.And if canadians don’t wake up,we will pay the price..You only have to look at France, England,Holland……
Another little thing we’ve come to accept from the Left of the spectrum is referring to areas where numbers of ethnic immigrants settle as “communities”, i.e., Tamil community etc. Is that not just another sign of division, another name for ghettos? How does that encourage integration?
Has anyone had a conversation with a woman in a full burka in a park, or mall or anywhere? It’s a whole other subject but part of the problem. Shunning comes to mind and it doesn’t fit with our way of life.
Where are Judy Rebbick and other women’s rights activists on these issues? No where to be seen or heard! Do they accept that these women be persona non grata in the guise of ideology or whatever?
Islam: “Queen of Beautiful Morals”.
… and, she is a conservative.
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“Saudi beauty queen wins without showing her face
Saudi beauty queen Aya Ali al-Mulla trounced 274 rivals to win a crown, jewelry, cash and a trip to Malaysia– all without showing her face, Saudi media reported Friday.
With her face and body completely covered by the black head-to-toe abaya mandatory in the conservative Muslim kingdom, 18-year-old Mulla was named “Queen of Beautiful Morals” late Thursday, newspapers reported.”
http://www.calgaryherald.com/entertainment/Saudi+beauty+queen+wins+without+showing+face/1828381/story.html
Shrinklink has her:
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Lowell Green on Friday also mentioned Salim Mansur, a professor of political science at the University of Western Ontario. Here is the article he quoted from:
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/London/Salim_Mansur/2005/04/27/1014639.html
2005-04-27
Liberals’ ethnic exploitation to be tested.
SALIM MANSUR, For the London Free Press
” In other words, as Canadian politics became increasingly regional, or fragmented, without any one political party being able to reach across the country and provide a common vision shared by most Canadians, ethnic voters in Ontario came to represent the difference between the Liberal party being in office or in opposition.
Most political observers recognize this unspoken reality, but will not address it directly for fear of being branded bigots. The situation is rapidly reaching a point where the country’s interests might be subverted because of the suffocating hold of political correctness.”
” However noble the idea of multiculturalism was, and remains, its politics was invariably bent to suit the electoral requirements of the Liberal party, which was losing ground in Western Canada and Quebec.
Moreover, the inherent paradox of multiculturalism is its loosening effect on national identity, of assisting the forces of fragmentation rather than binding a country already weakened by the politics of regionalism and separatism.”
” Most immigrants instinctively seek to embrace the values of their adopted homes. But when they learn there is minimal time and demand placed upon them to acquire knowledge of Canada’s history and traditions, the unintended effect of multiculturalism becomes an invitation for immigrants to make Canada a home of convenience.”
” But this does not hold for many non-European immigrants, and when political parties readily encourage them to advance or secure their interests — as in appeasing Arab and Muslim immigrants on matters related to the Middle East, or ignoring security concerns such as Tamil activism on behalf of Sri Lankan Tamils fighting for statehood — then multiculturalism becomes a cover for politically pandering to demands placed by immigrant communities at the expense of the country’s larger interests and traditional relations.”
” Ethnic voters are now cultivated assiduously by giving undue weight to their concerns pertaining to politics in their native lands, or their ethnically-based demands here in Canada.
The recent federal announcement — timed to a looming election campaign — about relaxing immigration requirements for family unification, irrespective of merit, is an example of blatantly courting ethnic voters.
The anticipated election, when it comes, will test as never before this unstated rule of ethnic voters supporting predominantly that party most opportunistically exploitative of ethnic voters.”
A brilliant article, no doubt!!
Multi-culturalism ought to be flushed down the toilet sooner rather than later. It was the wrong policy from the get-go!!
We ought to be Canadians period!! As in the past, by associating with our fellow Canadians, we take on the best values from those we come in contact with. We learn from each other’s culture and become better Canadians.
Let’s be one country, not a country of many nations!!
MSM’s Islam-Muslim denial continues.
Muslims “protest” Muslim Iran.
No mention/use of the words Muslim-Islam-honour killings.
No mention of the socialists and their rats in TO.
As SDA says, … And you thought multiculturalism meant more tents at PET’s FolkLore.
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“Torontonians protest human rights violations in Iran”
“Emcee Alidad Mafinezam, 42, says protests have been ongoing since the June 12 presidential election, but momentum has stayed strong due to the size of Toronto’s Iranian community and global solidarity.”
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/07/25/10260901-cp.html
Excellent discussion here. Squiggy, Liz, Ed, all good points.
Maz2, thanks for all the interesting links, as always.
I finally had a chance to read Father De Souza’s article and I must say that I found it somewhat defeatist in attitude.
I loved Robert Fulford’s, BTW.
What annoys me more than anything else is that like everything else it seems even the discussion of something like this, even here, morphs into a political bias of one side or the other.
One of the best points in Tarek’s article was his concern that we can’t even begin to approach this as a concern in a non-partisan way.
Even here, on this blog it’s becoming more of a casting of blame on one party or another, or needing to hear from the NDP or Liberals on this.
Pure Bullcrap!
The hell with which side’s feelings are going to be hurt or who is insulted by debate in what we tout as a free country.
We discuss it here and send letters but who of us is moving past doing just that? Are we making those calls to talkshows, writing letters?
If we’re talking to the converted and we still can’t keep partisan politics out of the discussion we’ve lost the battle before we’ve even begun to fight it.
Who is talking to those in the Muslim community about getting help. Which Muslim leaders are going to step forward and prove to us that they really are concerned too…just like we are?
Listening to the Muslim apologist on TV this morning made me very angry, if Honour Killings have nothing to do with the teachings of Islam how come Muslims write books on how to beat their wives? How come said books infest our Mosques in Canada? So it’s okay to beat women and that’s a tenet of Islam but murdering Murdering Muslim women for dishonouring men isn’t about Islam. Hello did I miss something the Islamist espouse women are worth half the value of men, they can beat women but murdering women isn’t an Islamic Tenet. I beg to differ, the Islamist sanction Honour Killings throughout the planet and then go on TV and snivel Islamophobia. What sane women wouldn’t be afraid to live under Islam?
What scares me is the length men will go to to keep women and children imprisoned into their rabbit Islamist’s mindset.
Here’s another sad story: http://www.thelocal.se/20874/20090723/
Snippet: Despite the fact that the children are born in Sweden, two of them needed interpreters in court. They testified about abuse, fear and never having attended school.
The father warned of the dangers of Swedish society, telling his children they would be raped and lobotomized and that all Swedes were racists.
“If all the children in Sweden were lobotomized, why are they so happy?” recalled one of the daughters, according to the Aftonbladet newspaper.
End snippet: ———————–
Yes we let those poor murdered women down, we always back off when the loopy leftwing advocates start screaming racist at us. It’s time to show the court of public opinion that these fools are part of the problem by allowing inferior cultural practices via Multicult we are denying women gender equality. The feminist assert these women want to live as they do, really and if they try to leave Islam they end up murdered or shunned.
Thanks for that, ed. Salim Mansur has it bang on.
There’s not a doubt, Multiculturalism as set down by Trudeau’s vision is a recipe for disaster for the country IMHO. The Liberals have been well rewarded for it electorally in ethnic ghettos/enclaves/or the PC term “communities”. Like the old snake oil salesmen, Liberals have not been averse to telling a few lies about their opponents resulting in brain free voting for Liberal candidates. The old “hidden agenda” served them well for many elections.
Joanne @ 35, I did not like the tone of Father De Souza’s last paragraph.
We have to hope we haven’t reached a stage where this sort of thing can be shrugged off as being something we have to deal with as a normal occurrence in this country.
How they can live here and not speak anything but Farsi is another crock to complicate their trials and cost us big bucks. It’s ironic they came to Ontario to do the nasty deed when they’re Quebec residents. It’s also sad to have one province of the country with it’s own immigration system when there’s nothing to stop those they allow in from going anywhere else in Canada.
We really do have a few warts to deal with in our Constitution but it’s almost a sacrilege to even mention opening it.
BLY, you have no idea how common this BS is. Not so much honor killings, but a cultural differece between east asia and Canada. I could tell you stories that would blow your F’n mind.
You have no idea, I really can’t get into why I say this. But let’s just say my family is protecting a person that we really fear for(Said person has really become apart of our family over the years). This story has really freaked me out, b/c, well I really think I have said to much…
That is all I will say…
Was first wife, Rona Amir Mohammad, listed as ‘cousin’ on the immigration papers?
Lie=deportation.
The accused were all about to board an airplane, perhaps we shouldn’t have stopped them!
JDot, I hear ya, but I sure do hope I don’t have an F’n mind.
Second thoughts about letting them leave without trial…being a women raised here, it is just too difficult to get a grip on how they could even conceive killing their own children (and first wife).
Joanne @ #43
Lol,
This story just really freaked me out b/c of events close to home, that have happen over the last week. With someone who has really become close to my family(through buissness).
I always brush my shoulder off, over these stories. I am a very heartless person, if it does not really affect me, sadly I don’t care.
And once again I have taken a good kick in the teeth over that attitude.
The big guy works in mysterious ways.
JDot, so true. We think we are so safe and yet something wakes us up. Some personal connection.
We cannot allow ourselves to become complacent.
Joanne said: @ # 46
“We cannot allow ourselves to become complacent.”
Co-Sign 100 percent. Well said Joanne, and very true..
Sorry for the “between the lines rant”, I just needed to vent.
Thank you…
JDot, I am a good listener if you want to email me. Very discrete as well.
Conservative Immigration Minister Kenney:
“It is important that we don’t create a two-tier immigration system: one tier for immigrants who wait patiently in line to come to Canada, frequently for years; and another tier for those who jump the immigration queue and make refugee claims in Canada after they’ve already had the opportunity to do so in a safe, democratic country.”
Thank you, Minister Kenney. More, please.
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“Canada tightening borders to refugees
OTTAWA – About 5,000 Haitian and other refugee claimants entering Canada from the United States will be turned back annually under a tightened rule put into effect by the federal government Thursday.
Claimants from Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Zimbabwe will be sent back across the border if they arrive from the United States. The rule was announced Thursday evening.
The government also ended a suspension of deportations to Burundi, Liberia and Rwanda, a move that could affect about 2,000 people. Though deportations are no longer suspended, effective immediately, those who have been in Canada for some time are expected to be given six months to sort out their status in Canada.”
http://www.canada.com/Canada+tightening+borders+refugees/1823878/story.html
Liz J @ #40.
“It’s also sad to have one province of the country with it’s own immigration system when there’s nothing to stop those they allow in from going anywhere else in Canada.”
Liz J, excellent point!! This brings up another reality. The great majority of immigrants into Quebec are from French-speaking countries. Many of these immigrants, seeking better opportunities, move on to other provinces. Meanwhile, if I’m not mistaken, Ontario has a cabinet minister who wants residents whose mother tongue is not French but speak French in the home to be officially recognized as French.
So what’s the answer?
Lots of calls to do something.
What should the government do?
Joanne @ # 48
Thanks, I will think about it….
Frankly it is very suspect, to go outside of my circle on some issues.
I have to be vague on this, sorry..
Great list. An excellent resource on the extent of honour killings. When you compile it, you see just how bad it is.
At last, an Immigration Minister doing his job,putting the best interests of the country ahead of pandering for votes in certain “communities”. How novel is that in Canadian politics?
“Tony Blair’s Britain
Where the foxes caper unmolested, the government packs your school lunch and it’s “a cultural thing that’s come from back home.”
A LONDON woman has been warned that she is at risk of being murdered after a man had acid poured down his throat by a gang in an apparent “honour crime”.
The young married Muslim woman is alleged to have had an affair with the victim, a 24-year-old Danish Asian. He was stabbed twice in the back and beaten with bricks, before acid was poured all over him and forced down his throat.
He was blinded and his tongue destroyed in the attack, and he is on life support in hospital with burns to 90 per cent of his body. Seven people have since been arrested.
The woman and the victim both live in east London’s Asian community, and their relationship is believed to have angered her family by bringing dishonour upon them.”
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JDot @ #52 – No problem. Whatever you feel comfortable with.
Ed @ #50, MPP, Madeleine Meilleur, is Ontario Minister of Francophone affairs and is zealously pushing French in Ontario. In fact, IMO, it’s her raison d’etre for being in politics.
We can be sure being French speaking would be a requirement for anyone immigrating to Quebec. Since Ontario is in close proximity and McGuinty has deemed us Officially bilingual, we will have the numbers rise when they hop across the River.
M. Meilleur is pulling all the tricks in the book to artificially raise Francophone numbers. It’s really totally unnecessary, and if we knew the real cost of all this we might have an answer as to why our Heath Care is in such a mess.
Priorities are all wrong, not for the common good and Dalty is still smiling.
“A few days ago I asked, How are we going to stop this?”
By demanding, with no exceptions that it be called what it is, First Degree Murder.
By demanding from the lawmakers, stronger punishment and in this case, deportation.
As a side note, what thoughtful and intelligent comments, all around. Awesome!
If you want to see the Left’s approach to discussion of a specific subject, watch the repeat of the CTS Michael Coren Show with guest host Tim Denis, Monday at noon Eastern.
As a side note, what thoughtful and intelligent comments, all around. Awesome!
I’ll co-sign that! In fact I had to do very little in terms of moderating on this post, which was a nice surprise.
Yes, Bec, it appears to be premeditated, first degree murder x 4.
We should all ANXIOUSLY await were our legals will take this atrocity, this evil act by people obsessed,who are supposed to be members of the human race, with a heart and soul.
Deportation after serving a sentence means we will have to support them and they’ll have plenty of demands which will be granted under our Charter.
Until our justice system deals harshly with those guilty of such crimes, they will continue. How many have there been that we don’t know about? How often does someone write a column or make a comment that it isn’t an honor killing, it is not practiced, or to defend the perps. This latest case might just be the straw that breaks the camels back, along with the story re the 8 yr old girl.
Personally, I don’t want them in jail on our dime, if found guilty, immediate deportation, freezing of all assets of all extended family members, and a ban on any future family coming to Canada for 50 years.
Speaking of deportation, where is KHS.
Here is Islam: Female Islam.
The tentacles reach into Canada.
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“Syria’s Imelda Marcos on Facebook; Check Out the Shoes
It’s not just the dissidents of the Middle East who are networking on the net.
The First Lady (or, under the circumstances, the First Tyrantess) of Syria, Asma Al-Assad, appears to have posted high-fashion photos of herself on Facebook.”
“All told, Asma Al-Assad has better taste than Imelda Marcos in shoes, but much worse taste in regimes to go with them.
As tyrants go, Bashar leaves the Philippines’ late Ferdinand in the dust (that’s safe to say, even with no love lost for Marcos).
You can find more of Asma’s fashion looks here (with Bashar in Paris) and a gardening episode here.
You can read about Syria’s “ties to the world’s most notorious terrorists” and strengthening ties with “fellow state sponsor of terrorism, Iran,” in this 2008 State Department report on State Sponsors of Terrorism.
You can read more about Syria as one of the world’s most repressive regimes here and here.”
http://pajamasmedia.com/claudiarosett/syrias-imelda-marcos-on-facebook-check-out-the-shoes/
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Sharia law and honor, what an oxymoron.
Joanne, you asked for an update on the letter I sent to the National Post (see #s 19 and 27). I had a letter published last week in response Robert Fulford’s July 18th article on Canadian anti-Americanism. The following Monday, I had an email telling me my letter might be published. Then Tuesday, my letter was in the paper.
No similar email this time. I’m going to guess the National Post has been deluged with responses to the several articles they had on the topic.
What a vicious evil this is — killing your own daughter or sister in a wrong-headed attempt to preserve a family’s honour.
Jeff, I know for a fact that the Post limits letters for publication from the same person to only one every two weeks.
Too bad. Maybe you could send yours to Fulford himself.
Those who find the term “honour killings” distasteful should direct their distaste toward the actual action of murdering women. Perhaps if they spoke up in greater numbers and directed their anger, frustration, distaste, and whatever toward those who perpetuate this barbaric custom, then perhaps we could remove it from our Canadian landscape.
Islam: a [##### ####].
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“Hizb ut-Tahrir In Mississauga
When the concept of multiculturalism was introduced to Canadians, most assumed it meant “more pavilions at Folkfest”;
The Islamic supremacist Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT) Canadian event is publicized on the Hizb ut-Tahrir web site as being sponsored by “Hizb ut-Tahrir Canada” as part of HT’s “2009 Khilafah Campaign,” which included the July 19, 2009 HT event in the Chicago Oak Lawn, IL suburb. HT has advertised this event to be held at the Canadian govt-managed facility in Mississauga for: “Friday, July 31st, 6.30PM to 8.30PM, Frank Bean Lounge — Mississauga Valley Community Center, 1275 Mississauga Valley Blvd, L5A 3R8.” The HT Canada event has also been promoted by a Toronto, Canada website called “TorontoMuslims.com”. (R.E.A.L. contacted this Toronto Muslim website to ask why they were promoting such a supremacist organization’s event, and received no reply.)
The Hizb ut-Tahrir web site promoting the July 31 event in Canada also promotes a pamphlet (page 62) [pdf] that supports killing those individuals who leave Islam as guilty of “treason and a political attack on the Khilafah.”
They’ve de-linked it now, though the title still appears on the website. The “conclusion” starts at page 60, if you’d like to skip ahead to the juicy stuff.
Entering into Islam is essentially entering a contract. There can be no compulsion in it. People enter into Islam based on free will. As there is no force the intellectual conviction must be overwhelming especially since someone entering into Islam willingly knows full well there can be no return to non-Islam due to the death penalty – This cements the need for intellectual conviction. It also prevents those who would seek to publicly become Muslim then publicly apostate in order to bring doubt in the ideology. No ideological state would allow its basis to be openly questioned in society as this would lead to the weakening and possible removal and replacement of the ideology by another.
Apostasy is a question of what kind of person would openly and publicly abandon Islam with full knowledge that they will be killed for it, rather than either keeping it to themselves or leave the Khilafah. Hence, the death penalty only applies on those who in the Khilafah openly leave Islam, and choose to remain in the state despite knowing the law; this is considered an open attack on the basis of the state which is Islam, essentially it is viewed as treason and a political attack on the Khilafah in order to undermine it. No ideology would tolerate this.
h/t CS”
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MSM is outraged at the outrage.
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“Tolerance debate revisited
Speculation that the deaths of three Montreal-area sisters and their female caregiver could have been a so-called honour killing has rekindled the reasonable accommodation debate in the Quebec press.
Le Devoir columnist Jean-Claude Leclerc called the tragedy, which took place in Kingston, “the pretext for another dispute over tolerance in Canada.” Mr. Leclerc observed that “even though the hard facts have yet to be established,” the police have already suggested that this could be a case of “the breaking of Canadian law by foreigners and the importation of social mores that are incompatible with those of our society.”
Le Journal de Montreal’s Richard Martineau didn’t waste any time adding his two cents of unbridled outrage to the discussion. In a missive riddled with his trademark all-cap exclamations, Mr. Martineau declared the killings a result of a “barbaric” extremist ideology that “SYSTEMATICALLY promotes the hatred and mistreatment of women.” Mr. Martineau went on to question “why Canada has agreed to welcome people who espouse values that oppose the ones we defend?” and concluded by quoting French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s statement regarding the banning of the burka in France: “We should not be ashamed of our values, we should not be afraid to defend them.”
In his Saturday column in La Presse, Patrick Lagacé reserved some of his outrage for the police officers involved in last week’s press conference. Mr. Lagacé was particularly upset by the fact Kingston’s police chief made a point of stating that the three sisters “all shared the rights within our great country to live without fear, to enjoy safety and security, and to exercise freedom of choice and expression.” Mr Lagacé argued that the chief would never have felt the need to “underline the obvious” or “explain how the Earth is round” if the suspects had not been from Afghanistan. He went on to suggest that “the fact that the chief of a police force in a Canadian city felt the need to remind us of this kind of thing is a concession to those extremists […] whose lives are ruled by retrograde superstitions.” Mr. Lagacé labelled the police chief’s choice of words a “dazzling symbol” of the “very Canadian” tendency to avoiding criticizing ethnicity or risk being labelled a racist. “It is not racist to say that there are some ‘new Canadians’ who come from reactionary cultures. It is not racist to say that Sharia is heresey,” Mr. Lagacé declared.
An article on Rue Frontenac – the news site staffed by striking Journal de Montreal employees – quoted Djemila Benhabib, an anti-Islamist and feminist author, who in reaction to news of the killings said that some people who are new to Canada act “as if they were still living in their village” and “maintain the values of their home country and consider them more important than those of Canada.” Ms. Benhabib went on to say that Canadians and their governments must do more to protect the rights of Muslim women and declared that, “When we normalize the veil, when we cry Islamophobia as soon as we want to discuss things, we abort the debate.””
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tolerance-debate-revisited/article1232840/
We must continue to use the term “Honour Killings” for one single reason it [allegedly] drives those that teach and espouse women are the property of men mad with rage. The Islamist [allegedly] hate it when we use their own terminology against them, and in this case they [allegedly] want the phrase scrubbed from public debate for that reason keep using the phrase. I enjoy watching them espouse [alleged] lies out of both sides of their mouth on MSM, sans the fake froth and outrage.
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I thought this editorial would prove an interesting opinion for those of us that wonder where the voices of the feminists are.
The author, is one of my least favorite but she calls her ‘sisters’ out on this one!
http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/columnists/story.html?id=f9c98770-58c9-46f2-857e-1289cfcc5ac8