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Is Iggy underperforming in the polls?

Michael Ignatieff and his Liberal friends must be in shock.

In his yet-to-be-written autobiography, he lived outside Canada for 34 years, was lured back with visions of 24 Sussex dancing in his head and then settled in to wait for the inevitable wails of  “Throw the bums out!!!” Then he  ascended the throne and ruled forevermore -  until he got bored and moved on.

Iggy didn’t have to lift a finger. The crown was his to claim. It was just a matter of time and entitlement.

But that dream seems to be fading, as Tim Powers explains:

Ignatieff cheerleaders need to start asking the same tough questions that have been posed about the Prime Minister. Specifically, why can’t their man move the polls? Given the hype and the circumstances why has the Liberal Party not opened up a commanding lead in samples? Yes, they are doing well in Quebec but nationally they still haven’t reached Dion honeymoon like numbers and Dion didn’t even have the benefit of a global economic recession

Even stacking the polling samples doesn’t always seem to produce the desired results (Good job, Wilson!)

And CBC can torque the headlines all they like, but the Tim Hortons crowd will still see through it.

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Also please check out Ezra LevantI think it’s called “projection” (re: media bias).

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Related: Harper predicts worst could be over as decline eases, somewhatLFP

Canadians optimistic about financial futureDavid Akin, The Vancouver Sun

Canadians Rebound from Economic Recession Funk - Ipsos Reid

‘Glimmers of hope’ in consumer confidenceGlobe Report on Business

Economy drop not the record expected
– Canada.com   (I think this is good news.)

Footnote – Why is TD such a wet blanket?

Canada’s debt to jump more than 30% in next 5 years: TD Bank- CBC

TD questions Ottawa’s surplus forecast – Financial Post

Tories digging a $172-billion hole: TD – Globe

Other provinces may follow Ontario and Ottawa in revising deficits: expert (aka Derek Burleton) – CP

95 Comments

  1. east of eden says:

    Off-topic, but I have to wonder – what the heck is wrong with people: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/643975

  2. Bec says:

    Single family home sales up. Price of oil up.
    Improvements all over.

    Yes, things are improving and the sky has not fallen yet.
    “How the he!! did that happen”? the Liberals are likely asking.

  3. Bubba Brown says:

    THE INCOMPARABLE LIGHTNESS OF MR IGNATIFF

    Soo…. no dead cat bounce for the guy who is “front man” for the greatest political party in Canadian History?/sarc off. Have not the sturdy pesants read Mr Ignatiff’s resume? Are they not overwhelmed by his silver tongue, and delightful eyebrows? I won’t even go into his pedigree, his ancestors broke land speed records in Russia staying ahead of outraged citzens. Given the present circumstances with a world wide recession, you would think Mr Ignatiff could gain some traction. I guess they have forgotten the people who in his modest claim “built this Country” followed by a sinister IMO “don’t you forget it”.
    I guess people have noticed that the Liberals once again supported the duly elected government on the budget, the one they now are howling about. They are even calling for the resignation of the finance minister, who they have felt should have been able to “predict the future”. Mr Ignatiff’s ying and yang act may play well in the debates of undergraduates, but in the “real world” He is non existant in policy, screaming for more spending while you scream about deficts, just lables you in this old guys opinion as “Liberal Lite” just a “wanna-be” in waiting, and apparently a lot of people are seeing the same thing. I don’t think you have a lot of common sense Mr Ignatiff but at least you keep supporting the best P M in 60 years.

  4. Peter says:

    If Conservative ads are backfiring as some pollsters say then the Liberals have lots to worry about if they are only tied now with the Conservatives.

  5. east of eden says:

    All I can say is that in my corner of the world, the housing market did not fall apart. Houses in my area are going up at an astonishing rate and sales have not slumped more than a little. Even Toronto is back to having bidding wars for homes. A few naysayers blew the whole thing out of proportion, as far as I am concerned, and had far too much press.

    Gasoline prices have shot up – not a good thing, but it does indicate that the price of oil has increased.

    As far as the so-called deficit is concerned – much of it is caused by the auto sector bailout. I am personally not in favour of the bailout but…at the same time I recognize that the cost to EI and provincial/municipal welfare systems would be far greater than the bailout amount. I find it odd that the Liberals don’t consider that pesky little point.

    It’s funny but before the PM released money, I could swear that Ignatieff was castigating the prime minister for “doing nothing” to help hard-working Canadian families during this massive, catastrophic, worst recession ever. Yeah, right. Worse than the 1930s? I highly doubt it. But, that’s the Liberal party for you – hyperbole and prevarication – it just comes naturally.

  6. wilson says:

    from CTV/Globe link above,
    these responses from the ROC should give Iffy pause, Mr Hopey Changey is not resonating.
    And the Quebec numbers can not be trusted, as Duceppe hasn’t laid a glove on Iffy, YET:

    -is able to deal with tough economic times
    Harper 31 MI 16 (ROC)

    -has the most positve vision of Canada’s future
    Harper 32 MI 19

    -on the international stage would
    make me proud to be Canadian
    Harper 30 MI 20

  7. wilson says:

    ‘Gasoline prices have shot up – not a good thing, but it does indicate that the price of oil has increased.’

    If gas prices are higher, the environutjobs call for a carbon tax as a conservation/ghg reduction tool, is silenced.
    Then the West can pull Canada into economic recovery.
    The US may not need our manufactured goods, but they do need our oil and gas.
    We are fortunate to be a resource based economy, as resources are the first to rebound!

  8. jad says:

    Further to Peter’s point #4 above, if the ads REALLY are not working, you would think a REALLY smart party like the Liberals would keep their mouths shut and let the CPC spend all their money running them. Instead, they try to get them legally stopped, the Liberal media pours out a constant stream of abuse about the ads, and various Liberal commentators keep on telling us how bad, mean, nasty and just plain inneffective they are. (NB When Mr. Ignatieff tells the PM “Don’t mess with me, or I’ll mess with you”, that is simply a statement of fact, nothing mean or nasty there, but it does seem to have been singularly ineffective.

    I’m not sure if its my imagination, but the ads seem to be running even more frequently these days. Oh those dumb Tories !!!!

  9. C.C. says:

    Good post Joanne and to Paul for his at his blog.
    Both hit exactly the right notes, and spin positive rather than get sucked into the black hole of knicker-twisting MSM types.

    Refreshing that no one’s been suckered in by the Lib. trolls but it’s early going yet.

    Send the bait back with a dose of truth…anything else dwelling on the LPOC message is a waste of time.

  10. Calgary Junkie says:

    I think Iggy’s age works against him in two ways. First, he won’t be as much inclined to play a long game, preferring instead to get the election over with asap. An early election has huge dangers for the unprepared Libs.

    Second, I get the impression Iggy is not as fierce a fighter as the younger, more determined Harper. Harper is going to out-campaign him, especially in getting a strong emotional responses from voters, as with fear-mongering the Coalition nightmare scenario. In fact, we can replay Iggys support of the Coalition outside Quebec. While inside Quebec we replay his rejection of the Coalition.

    We’ve got Iggy coming and going on any number of issues. He’s smart, but he can’t think as fast as Harper. Tom Flanagan has pointed out that Iggy isn’t up to speed on the many federal files, certainly nowhere near Harper’s encyclopedic knowledge of what the gov’t is doing.

  11. ed says:

    That last poll where 50% of those polled were from Quebec demonstrates once again why polls should not be taken seriously. I have always suspected the validity of these polls. The temptation to manipulate in order to get the desired results is too much for some.

    I would suggest that these polls are being used to influence the public to vote Liberal. The polls are used as a tool to influence rather than to give a true picture of how Canadians feel.

    Sadly, these poll results have a significant impact on many Canadians. I guess the message to get out is how polls can be constructed to give a desired result.

    And, yes, Iggy is underperforming “in the real world.”

  12. dillon says:

    Truth is that Ignatieff is yesterday’s news. He missed his chance to be PM by renegging on his Coalition with the NDP.

    What are his negatives?
    -No Family
    -Never lived in Canada
    -No job ever in Canada
    -Has never signed the front of a cheque
    -Too old-we don’t need a PM who collects social security from the US
    -Broke -can’t pay off his debts

    What are his positives?
    -Frankly they are unknown like all positions he holds.

    What are his positives?

  13. dillon says:

    delete—What are his positives.

  14. Joanne says:

    What are his positives?

    I’m sure some of our Liberal friends will have an answer.

    Here’s his bio – I’m sure we can find something.

  15. C.C. says:

    Even the usual Liberal supports admit that Ignatieff’s not performing as expected.

    “It doesn’t seem like direct exposure to the ads changed impressions of Harper significantly (from -42 to -40), but they certainly had an impact of what people thought of Ignatieff(from 0 to -18).”

    Truth does hurt doesn’t it. Thanks to Calgary Grit for that truth.

    Also the truth on how Liberal coffers are a tad bare which makes it impossible to muster a much
    of a defense.

  16. C.C. says:

    And this from Ezra

    “I think part of Harper’s success in 2006 and 2008 was that he managed to ignore the echo chamber of the Parliamentary Press Gallery and connect with severely normal Canadians…”

    Exactly. Canadians who don’t give a rat’s ass what the biased, unbalanced media have to say because, they don’t read it or pay attention.

    There’s a reason print media’s in trouble folks.

  17. Few issues “sink” a government faster and deeper than a foreign war and an economy mired in a recession.

    We have both, yet PM Harper keeps the Tories in a statistical tie with the Grits, with their shiny new leader.

    Go figure …

  18. maz2 says:

    This is at the bottom of the MSM’s item:
    “Van Loan’s legislation allows suits dating back to 1985, the year of the Air India bombing which killed 320 people, mostly Canadians.”

    Watch the non-reaction from Liberal Iggy’s Boob Rae*. Will any Liberal skeletons fall out of the sky?

    Notice MSM’s use of “Tories”.
    …-

    “Tories introduce new anti-terrorism bill

    OTTAWA — The federal government is introducing legislation that would allow it to formally brand countries as sponsors of terrorism, opening them to lawsuits in Canadian courts.

    Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan revealed some details today about the anti-terrorism bill announced on the weekend by Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

    The proposed law would sidestep the legal tradition which makes sovereign states immune to lawsuits.

    Van Loan says the legislation would allow Canadian victims of terrorist acts to seek damages against countries, organizations or individuals.

    He wouldn’t speculate which countries might be designated as terror sponsors, saying that will be up to cabinet.

    Van Loan’s legislation allows suits dating back to 1985, the year of the Air India bombing which killed 320 people, mostly Canadians.”
    urlm.in/cnyc
    …-

    *Flashback: “[Liberal] Minister McLellan announces inquiry into outstanding questions concerning the bombing of Air India Flight 182″

    “Air India review
    On April 26, 2005 , the Minister of Public Safety appointed the Honourable Bob Rae to provide her with independent advice on a way forward to answer outstanding questions of public interest related to the Air India crash.”
    http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/ns/airs/airs-en.asp

  19. george says:

    Additional negative: economic illiterate. Admits he has never owned equity in a company in his life, not even a mutual fund.

  20. Lorraine says:

    CBC still stacking the deck for the Liberals:

    Check it out – The CBC today is covering the conservative’s new Victims of Terrorism bill.

    So – they are interviewing, ahem, non partisan opinionistas to trash the bill.

    Like James Morton – LAW PROFESSOR.

    Not James Morton -prolific Morton’s Musings LIBLOGS blogger, Liberal commentator and Ignatieff cheerleader?

    Does CBC think ALL Canadians are stupid?

  21. Jen says:

    # 11, ed, maybe if you told some of those liberals “I guess you don’t mind our (meaning the liberal and you) E.I was gutted by the LPOC and do you know where the lpoc did with it; how it was used etc ect. I am sure ed, some will have no clue. therefore you have to have the document, newspaper clippings anything which the courts filed against the lpoc for the misuse of the E.I and the $54million scandal.

    Tell them that the cbc ctv will never tell them anything-not to waste their time waiting for any information because it is not going to happen.
    If they do wake up and did their own research they will be shocked.

  22. maz2 says:

    Dual-citizenship status must be revoked.

    Rootless cosmopolitans, e.g., Liberals Iggy-Dionky, must be uprooted and challenged to declare their loyalty to Canada, and only Canada.

    Of course, Iggy’s defence critic MP Hezbollah Coderre*, will declare himself a loyal Canadian.
    …-

    “Experts express concerns over Canadians flying to Lebanon to vote

    Political watchers have differing concerns over dual Canadian-Lebanese citizens flying to Lebanon this week on free tickets to vote in parliamentary elections.

    As CBC News reported on Monday, corporations who support major political parties in Lebanon are paying for expatriates to return to the country to cast ballots in the June 7 election.

    Hundreds of people in Calgary, as well as thousands from across Canada, have been flying into Lebanon this week, backed by supporters of a pro-Western alliance trying to take power away from a Hezbollah-dominated coalition. Dual citizens must be physically present in Lebanon to cast a ballot in its elections.

    University of Calgary associate professor and terrorism expert Gavin Cameron said the Canadian government should be concerned if it turns out that Hezbollah is also paying for trips for its supporters.”
    urlm.in/cnyg
    …-

    *The rise of Quebecistan
    Leading the parade were Bloc Quebecois chief Gilles Duceppe, Liberal MP Denis Coderre, PQ chief Andre Boisclair, and Amir Khadir, spokesman for the new …
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1680502/posts

  23. Soccermom says:

    Re Maz2 @ #22: Well, let’s at least be thankful it’s not the Canadian government paying for these flights. I’m very surprised we’re not paying the freight for these sometime citizens again. These type of people usually find a way to screw the gov’t over any way they can.

    I agree this dual citizen stuff is crap. Either you are a citizen or you’re not.

  24. LC Bennett says:

    I think Liberals are getting a lesson about the difference between theory and application. In theory MI should be wowing the natives. He’s got intelligence, pedigree, social status, Ivy league credentials, international literary fame and is adscam-free. Unfortunately, in practice, it is only the media that is so easily impressed (and Quebec). The average Joe Canadian shifts between unsure and unimpressed.

    I expect that the liberal media will lash out at us unsophisticated Canadians. A recently G&M poll already highlighted the fact that Harper has higher support in the high school/income of less than $100,000 demographic. From that, which headline is more likely:

    MI Fails to Connect with Average Canadians
    or
    Rich, Smart Citizens vote for Ignatieff

    The second one, of course, although more nuanced. The implication being that even the poor, dumb Tim Horton crowd can be redeemed in the eyes of the MSM, by nodding their heads at the command of the media and Liberals.

    “Vote Liberal and cast off the stink of being ignorant and low class”

    This media tactic was clearly illustrated during the coalition situation. The media lectured Canadians about their ignorance of Parliament procedure, the coalition being technically correct etc.. The MSM failed to connect that technically legal did not equal ethically proper to many Canadians. Greenshift was another example of this “media knows best syndrome”. In MI case, the insults will be that Canadians are narrow-minded bumpkins unable to appreciate a cultured cosmopolitan like MI (and journalists).

  25. Soccermom says:

    And before anybody gets their feathers in a flap, by “these type of people” I mean citizens of convenience.

    Either way, I don’t think people should be only allowed to vote in one country’s federal election. Make a choice.

  26. Soccermom says:

    Crap, my typing is lousy….should read “I don’t think people should be allowed to vote in more than one country’s federal election. Make a choice.”

  27. LC Bennett says:

    Soccermom, your spelling may be lousy but not as lousy as my timing. My writing looks like a second-rate copy of Ezra Levants article. It feels like going to a party and finding that your wearing the same outfit as the hostess. heh. C’est la vie

  28. Malia says:

    Can someone please ask Bill Siksay to write a bill that would provide Canadians with the opportunity to not have their tax dollers go to strugling auto firms.

  29. Bruce says:

    After Iggy and the Liberals lose the next election the LPoC will toss him under the bus, just the same as they did to the hapless Dion.

    Perhaps Iggy is in need of some Polliagra(patent pending).

  30. east of eden says:

    Has anybody else noticed that same thing as I have noticed? Remember when Dion was leader during the election campaign – you rarely ever saw Ignatieff or Rae by his side except when he was really sinking and even then were not really supporting him but making themselves look good at Dion’s expense.

    Has anybody noticed a definite absence of Rae, LeBlanc and some of the heavyweights are conspicuously absent? Does it appear that Ignatieff is on his own most of the time? Is this down to Ignatieff’s wish or is he really going it alone?

    Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that, at some point, he is going to be brought down by a camp within the party?

  31. MaryT says:

    Does anyone know if Iggy voted for/against anything during his absence from Canada.
    How many of those lebanese going home to vote also vote here. Do any lebanese living abroad come back here to vote.
    Didn’t a lot of Greek dual citizens go back to vote a few years ago.

  32. Bruce says:

    The news just keeps getting better;

    “Pent-up demand is increasing each passing day as reflected in these confidence numbers,” said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts. “But there is a funny dynamic going on as people are waiting. The turn will come when there is a sense that we have passed the bottom,” which Behravesh said may happen as early as August.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=arayDGpmRFZU

  33. paulsstuff says:

    “Perhaps Iggy is in need of some Polliagra(patent pending).”

    Wouldn’t that be ironic if Iggy had to take a little BLUE pill:0)

  34. ed says:

    Jen @ #21

    Jen, my comments at post #52 at Joanne’s post “And now it all becomes clear…” would answer what you said here.

    We have noted all you have stated and more to Liberal supporters all to no avail. It’s like talking to bricks. They seem to put up a wall. They only want to see and here what they want to see and here.

    The Liberals own them, lock, stock and barrel. I keep pushing and pushing, hoping that eventually the truth will sink in. There is some evidence that it is having some effect!!

  35. C.C. says:

    “Is Iggy underperforming in the polls?”

    I’m thinking that “in the polls” isn’t the only place the Great “I” is proving to be what may end up being another bad choice for the LPOC.

    The more hopeful and supportive question for Canadians today is:

    “Is the PM holding steady as she goes and proving to guide Canada through these tough economic times appropriately?”

    Yes, that would appear to be the case, because as everyday Canadians go about their days, and as we’ve had shared here, things are moving and confidence is on a slow increase.

    I’d be happy to expunge the doom and gloom Liberal talking points out of existence and left it to their media friendlies to help prop up a still not ready for prime-time leader in Mr. Ignatieff.

  36. Alberta Girl says:

    Funny thing – there seems to be a disconnect between the screaming that the sky is falling that Iggy and the Cabal of Losers along with their media cohorts were doing and what Canadians actually believe about the economy. I would say that Canadians have tuned Iggy out. Whenever I am away from talk radio and blogs, I am astonished at how politics is hardly ever mentioned and if something is brought up, there is the realization that most people do not even follow politics between elections.

    So yes – to answer your question Joanne, there does seem to be a genuine disinterest in Mr. Iggy, he hasn’t lived up to his own hype.

    On another note, Hey MaryT, we are moving to your part of the country during the summer. “Corn-y” huh!

  37. Bruce says:

    Off topic;

    “Competing companies say that they could have met [Canada Post's] timeline and requirements, wanted to bid on this golden tender and would like to have had a fair shot at the work. Why has the Conservative government chosen to follow the Liberals down the path of lucrative untendered contracts?” said NDP MP David Christopherson.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-wants-answers-on-canada-posts-sole-sourced-deal/article1163916/

    Ajay Virmani, of Cargojet, is the only airline connected person on record in this article as being in disagreement with Canada Post’s assertion that no Canadian company could do this contract?

    Both Purolator and Kelowna Flightcraft are Canadian Companies. Canada Post owns 94% of Purolator with Kelowna Flightcraft owning the other 6%.

    From SDA 2006;

    “Cargojet is leasing the gas-guzzling 727 Paul Martin is using to fly around the country, a plane he is sticking with despite the bad press it has generated.

    Cargojet’s founder and CEO, Ajay Virmani, is a big Liberal Party supporter. Thousands and thousands in donations, both personally and by Cargojet.

    So does it come as any surprise that just before Ralph Goodale announced favourable tax treatment for income trusts, that there was a spike in trading in units in Cargojet’s income trust fund?

    Depressingly, no.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/003106.html

    Is Ajay Virmani now an NDP supporter? Does he still support the Liberals? Or both?

    If Canada Post was a private company this wouldn’t be an issue, so unwittingly the opposition is making a good case for selling Canada Post. Heh.

  38. maz2 says:

    Get lost, Stronach.

    No taxpayers’ money for your phony “electric cars”.
    …-

    “Magna seeks Ottawa help for electric car

    OTTAWA — Fresh off his company’s acquisition of Germany’s Opel, Canadian auto parts magnate Frank Stronach was in Ottawa on Tuesday seeking federal funds to start building electric cars in Canada for sale within as little as three years.”
    (googlenews)

  39. Bruce says:

    I agree 100% with this comment from “TD questions Ottawa’s surplus forecast”;

    On Balance, Tuesday, Jun 2, 2009

    If you don’t support the Liberal Party of Canada, you may want to think twice about doing business at TD Bank and Financial Group. CEO Ed Clarke is a deeply rooted LPC supporter, a creator of the NEP (National Energy Plan) under Pierre Trudeau, and a key strategist for the current LPC giving guidance to Ignatief on how to undo the Conservatives.

  40. Liz J says:

    Why is TD Bank such a wet blanket, hmmmmm, Don Drummond maybe? Isn’t he working in some capacity for the Liberals, perhaps an adviser to Ignatieff?
    Mr Drummond is a Liberal, has served them in the past.

    There has to come a point when these guys in the financial world, so-called experts may decide to salvage their own credibility and stick to the facts as opposed to getting caught up in political games.

  41. C.C. says:

    Do you guys ever get tired of spinning negatively?

    Re: TD predictions. Yikes Joanne – that’s where all of my fortune is stashed. Perhaps I should tell my other TD friends that we should panic and get our money out of their hands and QUICKLY!

  42. Barbara says:

    Iggy is boring and dull. I think the Libs expected an exciting person that would make everyday Canadians stand up and say “wow”. Iggy is not the person everyone hyped him to be.

    Off topic, but did anybody else watch Fox news yesterday afternoon? They announced that Harper would be on to discuss the GM bailout, but he was never on. At the end of the show the announcer said that Harper didn’t show. Does anybody know why? Thanks!

  43. Joanne says:

    Perhaps I should tell my other TD friends that we should panic and get our money out of their hands and QUICKLY!

    That’s what I’m thinking. I think I’ll go with an optimistic bank.

  44. Bruce says:

    TD several years ago bought Canada Trust, where I used to have accounts, that is until TD took over.

    I moved my money elsewhere.

  45. Liz J says:

    Guess what, Poppa Stronach is in favour of the auto bailout. Duh.

    Electric cars are an iffy proposition in a cold climate like Canada and as silly as it gets.
    Right up there with the windmills.

    Anyone have the privilege of seeing the skyline across Lake Ontario from Kingston on Wolfe Island? What an eyesore. Visual pollution like no other. They really need to have their heads examined. At five million bucks per windmill,we’ll have to hope someone gets a good deal, sure as hell won’t be the consumer.

  46. Joanne says:

    Well, there is no doubt that Drummond and Ed Clarke are Liberal supporters.

    I’ve seen one or two that seem more balanced but that is very rare.

  47. Bec says:

    Joanne @# 43

    Dave had the head of BMO on this AM. What a difference in attitude. I am not tooting the horn of any of them but it does seem weird with so many embedded Libs in the TD Group.
    What one wonders, when pondering.
    For me, many things are sticking out, much like a very sore thumb!

  48. maz2 says:

    Juxtapose, as SDA says.

    Liberal Iggy’s Party of Ad$Cam vs Iggy’s News Service via TORedStar/Delacourt.

    Libs are spinning desperately to excuse the incompetence of I-Iggy.

    Free advice to Libs: Bring back Citoyen Dionky for a redooddoo.
    …-

    “Benoit Corbeil to plead guilty to two charges: lawyer

    The lawyer for a former Liberal organizer involved in the sponsorship scandal says his client will plead guilty to fraud and influence-peddling charges.”
    urlm.in/cnzd (CTV)
    …-

    “Heard this?

    Ray Heard, a former communications director for John Turner, has posted this intriguing little prediction on Facebook today. Given that Ray travels more in Liberal circles than Conservative ones, I think it can be cast more as speculation than insider info. But for what it’s worth…

    You Heard it here first. Harper, late in the fall, will announce he is not seeking re-election because he knows the best he could do would be to win yet another miserable minority govt. That will force Michael Ignatieff to give the Tories at least six months to pick a new leader. He will be Jim Prentice, whose able Bay St. team has already done the heavy lifting for him without attracting media scrutiny.”
    http://thestar.blogs.com/politics/2009/06/heard-this-.html

  49. Joanne says:

    Bec @#47 – Very interesting about BMO being more optimistic. I wonder if they are feeling that way because of their own performances and outlooks.

    BTW, TD’s Derek Burleton was just on BNN’s ‘Squeezeplay’ saying that they are more ‘cautious’ than the Government in their forecasts. Uh-huh.

  50. Joanne says:

    Liberal blogger James Morton in on CTV.

  51. paulsstuff says:

    Interesting fact about Frank Stronach. He does not pay Canadian income taxes. Two years ago he paid himself $40 million in salary, but because he uses a loophole put in place by Paul Martin, he has a castle in Switzerland registered as his home. Daughter Belinda admits daddy uses this loophole, but says she does not, though she has refused to prove it.

    $40 million tax free. Imagine the freedom.

    Sounds like a 6/49 commercial.

  52. Liz J says:

    Can’t be too healthy for TD or any banking institution to have someone who is openly tied to any political party. Anything they say is open to suspect.

  53. Joanne says:

    Anyone buying this?

  54. Liz J says:

    That sounds like a pretty good indication our PM is unbeatable by any mannequin the Liberals can dress for their window.

    They have nothing left but speculating on pure nonsense, in fact it’s outrageous and another sign of their desperation. Our PM has repeatedly said he likes his job and it’s obvious he’s enjoying it.

  55. Bec says:

    Joanne @# 53

    NO! Btw, we as members GET A SAY so this is typical crap started as a side show during the coalition as well.
    Jim Prentice, is a Calgarian and so although Bay Street has influence, not as much as the Oil Patch and Western Canadian grassroots.

    Stephen Harper, would have to quit because he still has monumental support and I do not believe this BS rumour. Sounds like another plant.

  56. JDot says:

    Joanne # @ 53

    LMAO, Joanne don’t give it the time and day. Libs are in trouble, back to sowing dissent in the CPC.

  57. paulsstuff says:

    It’s just more Delacourt garbage Joanne. As they say, look at where it’s coming from.

    She tried this schtick awhile back, with help from other notables such as Don Martin, Travers and such. Just trying to create a riff in the Conservative party where non exists..

    I guess Iggy’s poll numbers outside of Quebec has them grasping for whatever might help them.

  58. JDot says:

    Oh ya, the red flag is the Jim Prentice – baystreet boys going under the media nose LMFAO..

  59. Bec says:

    54,57,58…Genius!

    I also want to withdraw an implication my comment may have suggested, re Western Canada.

    Stephen Harper, has an enormous amount of support AS AN MP, in his riding. That was the intention of my comment.

  60. Joanne says:

    Yeah. And the whole thing via Ray Heard of all people! Heh.

  61. paulsstuff says:

    This line is the giveaway Joanne:

    “That will force Michael Ignatieff to give the Tories at least six months to pick a new leader. He will be Jim Prentice, whose able Bay St. team has already done the heavy lifting for him without attracting media scrutiny.”

    Right, because the Liberal’s wouldn’t rty and capitalize on a new leader, like say Stockwell day. In case anyone’s forgot:

    “2000 election

    “A few weeks after Day entered the House of Commons, Jean Chrétien called a snap election for November 27, 2000, which would not give the newly formed Canadian Alliance time to consolidate itself.”

  62. Joanne says:

    Good point Paulsstuff.

    Another giveaway – Susan Delacourt adds a disclaimer.

    i.e. The information is even a bit ‘Iffy’ for her.

  63. Alberta Girl says:

    “Anyone buying this?”

    And from Crazy Hair Susan Delacourt too – yeah – there’s a non-biased report we can all believe.

    sarc off

  64. dillon says:

    Ignatieff now says he will decide middle of next week whether or not to bring down the government. “So look, I want to make Parliament work. Canadians don’t want an election. I don’t want an election, but we have a problem, a serious problem about this government’s confidence, and I’m getting to the answer, next week, next week they have their second report card. Right? And as I said at the beginning of this, we’re holding these guys on probation. We’ll look at the data when we get it and we will make a serene and clear decision probably in the middle of next week. Thank you”http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blog-central/

  65. JDot says:

    Bec said @ #55

    “we as members GET A SAY so this is typical crap started as a side show during the coalition as well.”

    Bingo.

    Here is the thing, PM Harper will make it past the fall, but that is not good for liberals or there lame media buddy’s.

    B/C guess what, The economy will start to pick up PM Haper will look good and he will have a free pass to cut spending. You know to tame the deficit.

    Also to take down the government you need all three parties, or what some might call a coalition.

    When PM Harper is underestimated he is at his best.

  66. JDot says:

    Dillon @ # 54..

    Notice Iggy is going back to the probation thing and report card. That just shows there numbers are not good, and that his adviser are telling him to go back to what worked.

    The Globe and Mail, CBC and Macleans are doing everything they can for iggy and it is just not working.

    But here is the thing, there will not be a election for a long time, so let Iggy play checkers well PM Haper plays chess. Spring 2010 will be the next chance for a election, everything else is BS..

  67. Joanne says:

    so let Iggy play checkers well PM Haper plays chess. Spring 2010 will be the next chance for a election, everything else is BS..

    That rhymes!

  68. maz2 says:

    Fife drums? It’s a trial balloon to prepare the way to oust Iggy’s Nana Dhalla.
    Another Liberal carpetbagger coming up.
    …-

    “The return of Belinda?
    Insider report from CTV’s Robert Fife indicates the federal Liberals are searching for an Ontario riding for the possible return of ‘Rock Star’ Belinda Stronach… developing.”
    (nationalnewswatch.

  69. C.C. says:

    Harper’s not going anywhere any time soon.

    Remember that he’s committed to fighting an election against the coalition….and he will do just that, because the coalition is still very much in play.

    In his responses to questions in QP the PM
    consitantly couples the Libs. and NDP in his words. He did it again today.

  70. LC Bennett says:

    Is Harper leaving? I suppose it’s possible but highly unlikely.

    I get the feeling that PMSH has definite goals in mind for Canada – reversing its slide to the left and becoming an energy superpower. Besides, who are possible successors? Who in the CPC has the ability to defeat the Liberals and battle the media? I can not see Harper leaving without first ensuring the party remains in capable hands (Joe Clarks need not apply)The final reason for disbelieving this rumor…the liberal MSM’s track record. In any other occupation, most would have long ago been let go due to incompetence.

  71. ed says:

    Joanne’s blog is a perfect example of how one person can make a big difference. The multiplier effect of this blog is absolutely incredible!!

    Look at how much has grown out of this one blog!! Look at the cast of terrific people on BLY. Look at all the ideas, points of view and knowledge evolving from this site. It’s amazing!!

    And it all came about because of one person, Joanne. Joanne, your posts have been brilliant and so many of them!! Thank you!!

    Now, let’s see, how can we get more and more people acquainted with BLY. Let it spread like wildfire!!

  72. JDot says:

    Joanne @ # 57

    Lol, I try…

    I just think there is alot of time, and I am surprised Iggy is not doing better then Dion did, right now(Dion was 10 points ahead after his leadership win[Ekos]).

    http://www.nodice.ca/elections/canada/polls.php

    Let’s be real, the CPC should be 10 points down in the polls right now. I am just in shock with the media hype over Iggy, the economic downturn and deficits, that the CPC are holding there ground.

    And frankly, this has been the best Parlimentry session for the Conservatives since they where elected.

  73. JDot says:

    ed @ # 72

    Co-sign 1000 percent.

    This blog has really opened my eyes..

  74. Bec says:

    Alberta Girl @# 36

    What a transition, congrats!
    Mmmm, you will get that awesome corn, lucky you.

    Maz2 @# 58

    I heard that too. Is Belinda bored?

  75. Joanne says:

    Thank you Ed & JDot. As I’ve said many times before, this is a group effort but I do appreciate the encouragement.

  76. paulsstuff says:

    Joanne, I have a new post up inspired by one of your links here. Thanks.

  77. MaryT says:

    AG, you will enjoy it down here in the sunny south. And peaches and cream is the best of the best.

  78. Bec says:

    paulsstuff @# 77

    I’m not sure that we are willing to share you, with YOUR OWN blog. lol

  79. Joanne says:

    Bec – Too funny!

  80. paulsstuff says:

    LOL:0)

  81. Joanne says:

    I see now that Maz2 actually mentioned the Delacourt thing at 5:01. So much going on here it’s hard to keep up!

  82. Lyle Urbanowski says:

    Joanne,

    The TD is being such a wet blanket because it is a nest of Liberals. Here are just a few quotes and observations – I’m sure I could find lots more in just a little more time. Seems they also write policy for both the Ontario Liberals and for Iggy himself.

    Lyle

    Frank McKenna: deputy chair of TD Bank Financial Group.

    http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplayGenContent.aspx?e=8930
    Drummond worked for almost 23 years in the Ministry of Finance. He held the positions of assistant deputy minister of fiscal policy and economic analysis, assistant deputy minister of tax policy and legislation and associate deputy minister.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/tds-power-of-persuasion/article1134903/
    The clout is baked into the bank’s corporate DNA, most notably in the formidable triumvirate of Mr. Clark, Mr. Drummond and Frank McKenna, three senior executives who were shaped by years of high-level government service. They remain among the most politically connected operators in Corporate Canada – particularly with the Liberal Party… At the end of April, on the eve of the Liberal Party convention in Vancouver, TD released an in-depth study on employment insurance, calling for an overhaul of the program. Two days later, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff (who has sought counsel from Mr. Drummond and Mr. McKenna on his economic stimulus plan) pitched a very similar proposal to the country.

  83. [...] « Is Iggy underperforming in the polls? [...]

  84. Joanne says:

    Thanks Lyle. I guess that says it all.

  85. Bec says:

    #83

    I cannot think of another company, other than Power Corp, that has such an inappropriate (my opinion) connection, to a federal party.
    It really reeks and I am wondering how anyone can take anything they say, politically, as a serious analysis.

  86. maz2 says:

    Jokee flom Mao Stlong: supplies, supplies.

    Know you know the rest of Liberal Iggy’s story.

    “Helene Desmarais, the wife of Paul Desmarais Jr., head of the Power Corp. of Canada;”

    Liberal Iggy is Mao Stlong*’s anointed heir; Power Corp. is the proxy.
    …-

    “The special guests who will preside over the fundraiser include Jacques Menard, chairman of BMO Nesbitt Burns and president of the BMO Financial Group in Quebec; Helene Desmarais, the wife of Paul Desmarais Jr., head of the Power Corp. of Canada; and Pierre Roy, president of Chaines Tele Astral and a manager at Astral Media Inc. Tickets are being sold for $500 per person.”

    “Federal Liberals optimistic heading into Quebec fundraiser”
    urlm.in/coad
    …-

    Mao Stlong:

    “Maurice Strong
    Maurice Strong, United nations, oil for food, cordex, tonsung park, kyoto, … The Canadian company that Saddam Hussein invested a million dollars in …”
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/maurice-strong.htm

  87. Joanne says:

    Maz2 – So that’s two banks in the Liberals’ back pockets. Any others do you think?

  88. Max2 says:

    So Desmarais backs Rae and Ignatieff. What about LeBlanc? People have to wake up to Desmarais. He is no saint. Remember a lawyer named Rene Mastin.

  89. dillon says:

    89 should be addressed to Max2 from dillon

  90. Bec says:

    ….and the smoke screen bs, continues.
    ‘The Entitled Ones’, just don’t get it.

    I bet ‘Suzy’ is looking for a snazzy girlfriend to borrow a dress from, for THAT shindig, hmm?

  91. maz2 says:

    The ocean of Liberal corruption.

    This is the [adjective deleted] conspiracy, a conspiracy in the open, backing Iggy.

    Follow the money.

    Maurice Strong is the “uncle” of Iggy’s alter ego, Bob Rae-John Rae.
    …-

    “Jean Chretien and the Sidewinder Report
    Andre is the son of Paul Desmarais senior, Director of Power Corporation and a close friend of Jean Chretien. Andre is married to Chretien’s daughter France …
    http://www.primetimecrime.com/contributing/2005/20050120Gray.htm
    …-

    “You’re getting the drift here, right? Mr. Chretien has deep ties to Power Corp and the Desmarais family. Power Corp has extensive corporate interests in China. Mr. Chretien has worked to promote those interests, and suddenly pipes up, out of nowhere, to attack the government in public in the midst of the Olympics, in remarks that are sure to put him and his interests in a good light in China, possibly at the expense of Canada’s own interests.

    Yet when the Conservatives dared to point out this obvious conflict, Liberal worthies went down with the vapors. Bob Rae, the foreign affairs critic, deemed it “absurd,” “disgraceful from top to bottom” and “guttersnipe politics.” Mr. Rae’s brother John is executive vice-president of Power Corp. John managed his brother’s run for the Liberal leadership, and lent him most of the money he borrowed to finance it.

    None of which necessarily means anything, since the Liberals are all fine, upstanding and goodhearted citizens, as they have always been, right through Mr. Chretien’s term in office. Mr. Rae is an honest man and he’s repaid his loans. But, given the significant role Power Corp and the Desmarais family plays in Mr. Chretien’s life, and the extent of Power Corp’s interests in keeping China sweet, to suggest it’s “absurd” or “guttersnipe” to even mention Mr. Chretien’s obvious bias — when it was Mr. Chretien who lobbed the first unexpected grenade — is a bit rich. Were the Tories supposed to simply ignore the fact Mr. Chretien has “Power Corp.” all but tattooed on his forehead?”
    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/08/22/kelly-mcparland-jean-chretien-and-the-glory-that-is-china.aspx
    …-

    “Maurice Strong: Godfather of the international environmental movement

    Posted on December 30, 2007. Filed under: David Suzuki, David Suzuki Foundation, Elizabeth May, Globalization, Gore and Suzuki, Great Global Warming Swindle, IPCC, Inconvenient Truth, International Energy Agency, Kyoto Protocol, World Trade Organization, carbon tax, environmental fraud, global warming fraud, greatest scam in history, maurice strong | Tags: Al Gore, David Suzuki, Global Warming, Kyoto, maurice strong”
    http://windfarms.wordpress.com/2007/12/30/maurice-strong-godfather-of-the-international-environmental-movement/

  92. east of eden says:

    ed said:
    June 2nd, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    You are so right, Ed. I have moved away from a couple of blogs because the hosts allow trolls to take over. On one blog, there are four trolls who constantly insult the host and she allows their comments to stand. To me, insulting the blog host, no matter the political stripe, is unacceptable and the comments should not be allowed to be published. However, it is the host’s decision and I can either tolerate the rudeness and inane comments or leave the blog. I have left the blog(s).

  93. maz2 says:

    More background on Strong.

    Strong is the guru/sachem/political leader of the rootless cosmopolitans, i.e., Iggy/Bob Rae, et al, who would gut Canada’s sovereignty and make Canadians into vassals/serfs of Red China.

    Canada is fortunate that we have a leader named Stephen Harper as Prime Minister. But, one man can only do so much. We patriotic Canadians must stand with PM Harper.

    The pun on power/Power here is unintended, but it is a true fact: “The environmental movement is about power,money and control.*”.

    This is the point re Liberals Iggy and Citoyen Dionky, the rootless cosmopolitans:

    Canadian Strong is the evil genius/Oz/now a rootless cosmopolitan who is a henchman of the corporate fascist state known as China: “a global political framework that would curtail the sovereignty of nations and expand the power of the U.N. and other international organizations.*”
    ..-

    *”Editor:
    I have posted the last part of this paper. It is important that you follow the link to read the full paper. In order to understand what is going today it is important to understand the history that got us here. Maurice Strong has been a very busy man over the years. The environmental movement is about power, money and control.
    By Neil Hra

    Key Environmental Strategy: Strengthen the U.N.

    Twenty-five years ago Strong sketched out a global political framework that would curtail the sovereignty of nations and expand the power of the U.N. and other international organizations. Strong’s downpayment on this vision have been the policies he subsequently has helped advance at a series of U.N.-sponsored conferences from Stockholm and Rio to Kyoto and, next year, Johannesburg.”
    http://windfarms.wordpress.com/2007/12/30/maurice-strong-godfather-of-the-international-environmental-movement/

  94. Bubba Brown says:

    Good Morning to all the Blue like you folks! Another day another “for what it’s worth” if that is a question I have an answer Susan Delacourt a pinch of “racoonshit” from this old west-coaster is what it’s worth. The doom and gloom merchants at TD, the “you heard it here first” has all the authority and value of a high-school locker room rumor.
    As for the best P M we have had in 60 years, I don’t think he is going anywhere anytime soon. The thing of it is crappola like this used to be shoveled off the back of the manure spreader and it was just “out there” now it gets “highlighted” and answered, thanks to websites Like Joannes, I appreciate that it is difficult, nay impossible, IMO to generate “excitement” about the “Pedigreed Poodle” the Liberals have chosen to bring to the “Dogfight” they are trying so desperately to start. You will be putting “Me-Me” into the ring with a “Conservative Bulldog” who is good natured but will only put up with the “shrill yapping” for so long. Well the scheming and screaming is not exactly a wholesome activity, it does give the Liberals something to do between scandals, convictions, plea bargains,and at the end of the day voting to support the Government. When they are not dreaming about the good old days when they were “entiteled to their entitlements” Blog-on Blue folks !

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