My first reaction upon reading this Slop and Pail ‘news’ item by Anne McIlroy about Federal Science Minister Gary Goodyear’s evolution inquisition was of outrage:
Canada’s science minister, the man at the centre of the controversy over federal funding cuts to researchers, won’t say if he believes in evolution.
“I’m not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don’t think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate,” Gary Goodyear, the federal Minister of State for Science and Technology, said in an interview with The Globe and Mail.
A funding crunch, exacerbated by cuts in the January budget, has left many senior researchers across the county scrambling to find the money to continue their experiments.
Some have expressed concern that Mr. Goodyear, a chiropractor from Cambridge, Ont., is suspicious of science, perhaps because he is a creationist...
A creationist? Oh my goodness. Let’s have a witch hunt!
In any case, I have a few questions too.
First of all, would the Globe have asked that same question if the Science Minister had been Jewish or Muslim, for example?
And how is it relevant in any case? If a politician’s personal, private beliefs are up for public scrutiny, how about we start with Iggy and John McKay who are trying to woo Evangelicals back into the Liberal fold?
Remember, how they always felt they were ‘entitled’ to the religious vote? Well, somehow that’s been slipping away and they want it back:
...Michael Ignatieff wants to make sure church-going Christian voters feel at home in the Liberal Party. He has his work cut out for him, but John McKay is the right man to make the approach in Evangelical circles. McKay is the past moderator of Spring Garden Church in Willowdale and was co-founder of the Canadian division of the Christian Legal Fellowship, an organization of Christian lawyers. His voting record on same-sex marriage (he voted against) and his pro-life stance won’t make him many friends in some parts of the Liberal Party, but will help him in speaking to a community he knows well but that the Liberals have avoided like the plague…
But how are Christians going to feel when they are being attacked by that same party and its operatives?
As one commenter at the CFRB site put it:
Liberal operative mocks Evangelical Christians
By Alan – Mon, 2009-03-09 15:58
Do the Liberals not remember Liberal Warren Kinsella mocking Stockwell Day and all Evangelical Christians a few years ago? Kinsella made fun of Day’s Christian belief in Creationism by appearing on a Canada AM panel holding a big, stuffed purple Barney the Dinosaur. Warren Kinsella also claimed that Day and Evangelical Christians believe that the Flintstones cartoon is in fact a documentary. Funny, I suppose. As funny as making fun of anybody’s religious beliefs can be. I wish the Liberals good luck in trying to sweep this under the rug in welcoming any and all to their tolerant fold.
And right on cue, he crawls out from the primordial ooze:
they’re a modern Stone Age gov-ern-ment…
From the, Reform-Alliance, they’re kooks right out of history…”
Gee that might be a great hymn to try out on the congregation next Sunday, John.
Why not invite Warren and Barney too?
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Update: Sandy has more on this topic – Science minister won’t confirm belief in evolution?
Also, this Macleans article from back in November is still worth checking out – Catholics flee Liberals in droves.
Angry in the Great White North – Gary Goodyear and the Anti-Faith Brigade.
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Please check out ChuckerCanuk – Warren Kinsella: Anti-Women, Anti-Chinese, Anti-Christian. Warren has updated his post since this morning. For those of you who don’t like to give him extra hits, let me describe the image on his blog:
It is what Catholics call a holy card with an image of a dinosaur superimposed behind Jesus and John the Baptist. Underneath are the words Alleged Harper caucus 2009 Christmas card.
I find this very offensive – verging on hate speech.
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More Reaction:
Jonathan Kay on The Globe & Mail’s appalling front-page smear on religion:
…But this particular Globe story is a disgrace. There is an air of witch-hunt about it. What other public figures will the Globe “out” as suspected Godly followers, one wonders? The clear implication is that service in the federal Cabinet is a privilege open only to that minority of Canadians who subscribe rigidly to the tenets of atheism…
Damian has a different POV and highlights reactions from Dan Gardner, who mentions Paul Wells.
Adam Radwanski - Meet the new era, same as the old era:
…On one hand, we’ve got half the Liberal blogs in the country making Flinstones jokes about a guy who tried – extremely clumsily, but still – to explain his efforts to balance his scientific views with his faith. There is no evidence Goodyear’s inner dialogue, however often it slips out, will have any bearing whatsoever on the government’s funding…
Sort of Political – So much for freedom of religion, eh?
Stephen Taylor – Liberals first to go neg via proxy?
Warren and Liberal bloggers attack Muslim Canadians – Christian Conservative.
I think that you are trying to avoid the questions. Is Goodyear a Creationist? And is it appropriate for a Creationist to have anything to do with science? The Globe did a “gotcha” rather than any examination of science policy but that doesn’t remove the question of why we have a Creationist in charge of funding science.
Man.. where to start.
Ok, first – let’s look in the mirror.
As conservatives, we know that Liberals and NDP are going to attack us as Christian zealots.. so, maybe, just maybe, we don’t appoint a Minister of Science who doesn’t believe in evolution.. just throwing that out there.
Now – beyond that, how about we ask the press to ask all the Catholic Liberal MP’s their position on abortion.
How about the media asks the Jewish liberal members if they believe in eating pork (we have pork producers in this country who just might be concerned).
How about the media asks the Muslim members if they believe that women need to cover themselves so that they don’t tempt men to rape them.
I mean, seriously.. we can find any religious group and find enough questionable dogma to make anyone who attends a church of some kind suspect..
Atheists? We can pick on them too, as most of our population still believes in something, so why not point that out as well, Media: “Mr. Liberal MP, we understand you don’t believe in god, do you believe that hampers your ability to relate to your constituents who are Christians or Muslims or Jews?”
The media in this country is beyond a joke.
Well said, Rob.
Jim Pettit, I personally don’t see faith and science as being mutually exclusive, but that’s my own opinion.
The issue here is hypocrisy. If this is indeed such a problem as you seem to believe, then I think we need to apply the same line of questioning to the Liberal MPs and their leader, who feel it’s only a matter of time until they form Government.
And if the Liberals are trying to woo the religious right, then they need to be very honest about exactly where they stand.
“”It has been a real pleasure for us to work with the Hon. Gary Goodyear,” said NSERC president Suzanne Fortier.
“He has already proven himself a champion of the science and technology community.”"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5ix2n89uPSDVn3fFzF3SIZ5ods-TQ
Gary Goodyear, refused to answer the question and for good reason. Witch hunt, indeed.
What would Iggy do? We will never know because either they will never ask or he may be in fear of the Conservatives, copying his answer.
Or would Iggy’s response be ‘a Christian when necessary, but not necessarily a Christian?’
I believe this process is called “pigeonholing.” Essentially, since :”creationism” in modern MSM terms is code-word for “scientific illiterate,” the MSM can then dismiss any policy pronouncement the Minister makes as that of an ignoramus, and therefore not credible.
However, this strategy can also backfire, and I’m not talking about that segment of the Canadian voting populace that’s sympathetic to creationism.
Any science proposal requiring funding has to be justified, and one of the techniques science bureaucrats like to use is to overjargonize their proposals, in the hopes that the funding authorities won’t admit their ignorance by asking what the hell they’re talking about.
If the Science Minister already pretends to be an ignoramus, he can refuse funding to particular science programs or projects until its proponents can explain them better. And if they work their explanation to the point where a fifth grader can understand it, then not just the Minister but everyone else benefits. Because then it’ll be easier to understand which projects *aren’t* worth the money.
Remember: if we don’t know what a bureaucrat is doing, then we don’t know what he’s doing *wrong*.
We will never know because either they will never ask or he may be in fear of the Conservatives, copying his answer.
Hah. Bec, I just got that.
Well done!
Interesting theory, Phantom.
To me, it’s just another example of ‘entitlement’.
This question is for all those that believe in evolution. Isn’t Darwin’s theory survival of the fittest, of all species. So why are so many of you out there trying to save the whale, gnat, polar bear, and seals. Aren’t the weakest of these supposed to turn into something else. You, by your protests ect are stopping evolution.
What new species or intelligence have you stopped by fighting evolution.
IMHO most of those species have evolved into liberals.
Rob: BINGO!
Joanne: Bingo. If necessary. But, you know, , , not necessarily Bingo . . .
Christians, Muslims and Jews share the same religious roots. And the same religious “historical narrative.” All have the Creationist book of Genesis as their point of origin.
Were previous ministers in this post asked these same questions.? Those from Catholic, Presbyterian, Anglican, United, Reform Jewish, and other faiths?
How many ‘evil knuckle dragging creationists’ are top ranked international scientists? How many are involved in NASA? These numbers are staggering.
Perhaps the writer is a fool and a stooge. A practitioner of sickening, witch-hunting hypocrisy.
tj
t.e.&o.e.
Joanne, my first and only feeling about this is outrage and remains so. It should not be tolerated. Mr Goodyear does not have to take crap like that. Where will it end?
TJ – Bingo! Right back at ya, buddy.
Liz, I only ask the media for some of that ‘equality’ that the left is always preaching about.
We do have a free press with the right to freely question politics or religion. I have no problem with that but, as Joanne states, the MSM really do have a double standard. One set of rules for Liberals and another for Conservatives; One set for Christians and another for non-Christians. This article is dripping with innuendo and bigotry that would not be permitted with any other identifiable group.
I am also not sure how this helps the LPOC. At best it solidifies their current voters but I fail to see how it expands their prospects. Ontario is the battleground. I suspect Ontario residents main concern is the economy and other pocketbook issues. If the policy-shy LPOC has nothing to offer beyond the tired old “CPC are stupid bible-thumping, anti-abortion, Bush-loving rednecks” they will lose…again. That line of attack has not worked in any of the recent federal elections.
Why resurrect a losing strategy? Because the LPOC have nothing else – no policy, no money, few grassroots supporters and another weak leader. Media spin and distraction is their last hope.
I am sure the CPC now has more than enough experience with the media and LPOC tactics to counter this current PR battle.
It’s a joke that evolution is even considered science, I don’t consider creation science as well, that doesn’t mean I don’t believe in creation (I do believe in it though, but I don’t do touting it as science), but it isn’t science just as evolution isn’t sccience, they are belief systems of origins. Thus, if anything, they are historical/philiosophical theories/fact. No origins theories should be discussed in a science class, they simply don’t belong there.
When I think of science, I think of the law of universal gravition, boyles gas law, critical speeds in rotating shafts, single displacement reactions, combustion reactions etc. Things you can do in a lab.
This fellow could have really shut them up by mentioning NO PHILIOSPHIES count as science (by defining the terms, he wins the argument in the first round), and that he just likes dealing with testable, and observable scenarios. To really shut them-up and put them in their place.
I have studied this whole evolution concept for a long time now, I am just about convinced that it there for justifying certain lifestyle behaviors, and it is pushed as doctrine on university campuses. I won’t say that applies to all individuals, but it is a pretty good vehicle for acting reckless, especially for younger individual with raging hormones. If it wasn’t for that, that stupid theory would be in the trash bin long ago.
The Liberals have nothing, no policies, only a blood lusting thirst to get back into power so that they can once again belly up to the trough.
Next thing you know we’ll be seeing that “soldiers in the streets, with guns in our cities, in Canada” BS again. The Liberals will continue to sink into the mire of their own making.
“IMHO most of those species have evolved into liberals.”
Mary T, LOL…ZING! Good one, brilliant! Good argument.
As a lifelong Christian, I am sometimes embarrassed by my fellow Christians’ complacency. Insult one Muslim and the whole Canadian Muslim population arises. Insult one Jewish person and the whole Canadian Jewish population arises. Insult all Christians and we just smile and turn that other cheek.
Well, this Christian man is cheek-turning challenged and I do react to attacks even when they are innocuous. Here is a story: where I work, we had one Jewish person, one Muslim person, a handful of Christians and a hefty number of seculars. One year, our Christmas party was changed to holiday party so I declined to attend. Our big boss spoke privately to me and asked why I declined. I stated that I simply do not celebrate “holiday” so there was no need to attend and that the cross at my desk and the Bible in plain view should be ample explanation as to my beliefs. Well, the old “inclusion” excuse was trotted out. I then spoke to our one Jewish and one Muslim employees and they went to the big boss and informed the big boss that: the Jewish guy loved Christmas and was only Jewish by birth but he was an athiest in terms of faith. The Muslim guy said that Islam recognizes and reveres Jesus as a prophet and to negate Him is an insult to Islam and…besides, he wasn’t religious at all. The name was then changed back to Christmas party and I did attend.
We stopped having our parties after that. But, I made a point and I will not allow my faith to be negated, insulted, or torn apart. I also correct people who wish me “happy holidays” – I demand that my faith not be disrespected.
As for being a Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu and still be able to be a scientist – yes, it is possible. Doctors in the States are recognizing the value of faith to help heal patients. Many world-reknowned scientists have been people of faith. Does anybody think that one cannot be a person of faith and not believe in science as well?
As a rational man of faith, I believe that God did create the universe but after that, evolution took over. The Bible only goes so far in history – good grief, one would have to be totally closed-minded to ignore science but…here’s the “but”…I believe that God created all of what we are discovering and it is all part of His plan and everything that we are discovering each day has been there all along and we had to only look for it and use our brains to find it.
So, yes, it is possible to be a Minister of Science and still be a Christian. To suggest otherwise is just plain ludicrous.
God Bless Canada and God Bless our PM for having the balls to actually not skirt around his faith.
And that column my friends just highlights the main reason the msm is becoming obsolete! People are really beginning to notice the pure partisanship of these so-called ‘reporters’ and it’s becoming a comedy of errors.
BTW,did you catch Taber’s comment on PP last nite,when the Paul Wells and Joel Denis were discussing the ‘seduction’ of Que.by the Libs.Taber pointed out that that blob Coderre was in charge of the ‘seduction’..and Paul stated..’yeah when I see Coderre I think romance’ (I thot that line was pretty funny!)Jane,’you ignorant sl-t’) piped up in background..”c’mon,he’s a nice guy!” No partisanship there Janey,you brain-dead Liberal mouthpiece!She was squirming with pants-wetting delight in the news that libs making inroads in Que..what a joke that ctv has her filling in on PP..could they not just have put a potted plant on the set,or a lib mp??? Same thing in my eyes!
It looks to me like the Libs are trying to replicate the same dirty deeds they pulled on John Tory. If the Prince of Darkness is anywhere near this mess, beware.
I always said, Christians cannot call themselves true Christians if they vote Liberal. That may piss a lot of people off, but it’s my opinion.
interesting that so many seemingly intelligent folks see this as a black/white issue; ie evolution vs religion.
is there any scientific evidence that God doesn’t have a hand in evolution?
we keep adapting and improving our products, why can’t God?
When was the last time we heard the media ask any Liberal about their religion or the A question? It’s just never asked of them. Those personal questions are only reserved for Conservatives.
CTV is scraping the dregs at the bottom of the barrel to have that silly twit Taber filling in on PP. I will not be watching.
“U.S. home building surges
Economists had expected February downturn, but housing starts soared 22 per cent”
My goodness, where are the bad numbers the Liberals were hoping would bring down the Conservatives. Looks like the economists don’t really know what they are talking about. Our PM had reason to be optimistic in his news conference last week.
Liberals always have these grand pronouncements that they are going to win back the west, etc. etc. Remember Paul Martin’s promises to that effect?
Then, along comes an election campaign and they trot out the usual bash Alberta, bash Christian motifs. (They wouldn’t dare use the usual bash America theme this time, would they?)They ambush Conservatives on the campaign trail with questions of ‘whose rights are you gonna take away now – (alluding to abortion). They do everything they can to paint Christians as nuts because many of us are pro-life. They call us bigots because we are pro Traditional Marriage. And they want to win our votes? They are so full of crap they are swimming in it.
Wow, what a hit job that was.
We have no real journalist in canada, just smear merchents..
Wow, what a joke the Mop and Pail is, why do Conservatives even bother with that paper.
In other news, Canadian media hero Obama turns to 5 preist, “for private prayer sessions on the telephone and for discussions on the role of religion in politics. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/us/politics/15pastor.html?hp
Imagine if a Conservative leader did that…
The MSM gripe and complain the PM and the CPC go to the American press for decent coverage. No wonder with this kind of smear job.
Our media has lowered themselves to tabloid journalism.
That’s a good part of the reason I think, they’re having hard times.
If the Liberals had any ideas they would be shouting them from the rooftops. They don’t and aren’t. The so-called “journalist” Anne McIlroy, is just doing an “opinion piece” which is a Liberal “drive by shooting” If you are adrift, have no policy, no ideas, attack, demonize your opponants for their faith,or lack of it, whatever. At the end of the day it is only Ms. McIlroys “opinion” and as she is not an actual person of importance, such as MP Gary Goodyear, it really is not worth very much. Mr. Goodyear’s personal beliefs are his buisness. Just more “white noise” from a biased, ink stained wretch. IMHO. One more reason not to buy the Mop and Pail. Careful gentle readers you may step in the Iggy-poo. The Trollistas know, weather they are writing for the Mop n’ Pail, or trying to engage us on line how the Liberal party really is No ideas
No policys
No Money
No Leader
Attack
Maybe no will notice how desperate the Liberals really are
[...] they, as Blue Like You suggests, ask such a question if Minister Goodyear was a Muslim, Sikh or [...]
Joanne, it was a double hitter on religion today:
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2009/03/17/8775716-sun.html
Anti-gay appointee for refugee board
Thanks Wilson. Another mountain being made out of a molehill. But I’m sure the media will ask John McKay how he feels about it…
Yeah right.
New poll, Cons 35, Libs 31…..
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/603368
IMO when Libs and their media bash Christians, it drives people of other religions to the CPC.
Iffy will not be happy if His party drags out Barney, that blows his courtin`of the West and religious folk.
Poor Iffy.
O/T
Norman spector has a great article on the PM today
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Harper+pragmatist/1397149/story.html
” But it was also obvious that he felt comfortable being interviewed by a serious journalist.”
Oh, man we could use some serious journalist here in Canada..
Expect Giggles to make a big deal out this today on PP.
PUKE!!!
JDot, that is a great article! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will file that away for future reference.
Please check out the update re: ChuckerCanuk’s latest post.
Wow, Joanne! Looks like Special K will succeed at angering and chasing away the Christian vote for Igor.
Next up: The West
Good job, Prince of Darkness. He thinks what he did to Stockwell Day will work in 2009. Good luck with that.
Soccermom, yeah. Again I have to ask if he would do that with an image of Mohammed?
I particularly appreciate the comment by Richard @10:03 am.
Why not? That is where all healthy debate begins and it is not useful to have journalists muddy the waters with slanted innuendo. Gawd, are there any scrupulous ones, left?
JDot @ 11:46am What a refreshing article, thanks.
Joanne – he wouldn’t have the guts.
I guess WK, MI and LPOC will not be satisfied until they shrink their voter base down to just a handful of blocks in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. I would guess that religious folks from TMV’s large immigrant communities are not big fans of religion-bashing.
It’s odd how the champions of diversity, tolerance and respect often turn out to be the biggest hypocrites. Every time the mask slips from the “beer and popcorn” party, they reveal their narrow-mindedness.
I am not religious but I doubt that this mans religious beliefs have a major impact on science funding. Cutting or freezing research is no more a reflection of CPC science-hating than Paul Martin cutting provincial transfer payment was evidence of LPOC hating health and education. The simpler answer is that, in both cases, the funding is being impacted by recessions.
The evil Spin Doctor, has gone over the edge. Way over. I cannot ever remember being as offended, as I am right now.
When you think back to a professional journalist reporting about a controversial cartoon, being forced to defend himself compared to this offensive material?
Speechless, simply speechless.
LC Bennett @1:40 pm see my link @ 8:24am
The evil Spin Doctor, has gone over the edge. Way over. I cannot ever remember being as offended, as I am right now.
Yeah, I really think he’s jumped the shark on this one.
I can’t wait to hear if Michael Ignatieff feels the same way as his political strategist concerning Christians?
LC and Bubba – you’re both correct IMO. I wonder how many voters Mr. Kinsella and Ignatieff will have offended by the time an election rolls around? If Kinsella thinks this is going to work again, he’s delusional. Actually with him working for the LPOC is what’s posted on his blog, the Christian card, the thinking of Mr. Ignatieff and the LPOC? Surely Ignatieff needs now to tell us where he stands on this issue, and if what WK does from here on in has the leader’s approval?
I hope someone has the good sense to copy what’s on Kinsella’s blog because isn’t what he’s doing the very same thing he claims to fight against??
I do believe that as has been said above that this too is a LPOC attempt at a diversion because they have nothing and their future leadership convention will not help them either.
Adler is talking about this mow.
Thanks, Mary T!
Iggy said he speaks for the liberal party, and anyone speaking or working on his behalf is doing so with his consent. Therefore, WK is giving us Iggy’s thoughts.
Is Iggy a control freak?
Is Iggy saying that he’s giving Kinsella permission to do what he’s doing?
It’s ok with Ignatieff to make fun of someone’s religion?
Is that what he’s saying Mary T.??
What absolute morons, and not the character traits of a guy I want to see lead my country any time soon…or ever for that matter.
we need to find anything we can on Iggy’s take on religion?
Hmmmm, what was the take of the Russian elite on religion? Anyone?
The market is having it’s best week in a while, my bank stocks are way up, where I live you have to wait to see a morgage broker at the bank, houses are selling. This is all good news, for ordinary people, it however is very bad news for the “coalition in waiting” They wanted the economy to “sink like a stone” and our Prime Minister to “apologize” for being upbeat and optimistic, you said that Mr. Ignatiff, you are a spoiler Sir,a poser with no ideas, no policys and no class whatsoever.
We will in the months ahead as Conservatives have many more of these attacks and smears to deal with as the Coalition of the unelected becomes more desperate.We need to demand the MSM asks the Interm Leader of the Liberals, what his stand is on the many issues of the day, simply smirking, and snarking is not good enough, Mr. Dion was unable to answer “the question” Mr. Ignatiff what would you do differently if you were P M “TODAY” “Man-up” and answer sir.
My apologies for the link – read it over the toilet bowl – it is puke-worthy.
With Liberals it is private – with Tories – they must make it public.
In other words – religion if necessary, but not necessarily religion.
http://www.catholicregister.org/content/view/2612/852/
“But there are some worrisome forays into trendiness and one significant blind spot. That latter would be religion. Ignatieff, a professed secular humanist, sees religion as a largely private matter that should be tolerated, but not necessarily promoted. His few mentions of the topic in The Rights Revolution are generally negative.”
Given the ample evidence of his huge ego, I suspect MI thinks he is a God, anointed by God to rule or a disciple of Obama. At least MI has not claimed to be able to lower the seas and heal the planet…yet. Now if the party had more than two nickels to rub together, I am sure he would do his speeches from a Greek temple. heh
OF course we have a typical liberal blogger “excusing” Iffy’s waffling on the subject of religion by extolling the virtues of Iffy being a “human rights professor”.
http://1anxiousliberal.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/ignatieff-first-atheist-prime-minister/
I guess that way you never have to give a straight answer, you can skirt around the subject by giving lofty and vague preambles in order to baffle the interviewer with B.S.
OT/Markets rallied again today. Not what Lib/NDP/ coalition and their MSM want to see. Oh, well.
I agree with Bubba Brown. Expect more attacks in the future.
Goodyear’s on PP right now.
I’m trying to enjoy my day off, and you and Chucker get me all riled up again!
lol!! Sorry Springer.
Jane Taber will get you really riled up if you watch PP. She’s trying to bait Gary Goodyear but he’s not biting.
What was the dust-up between the Ukrainians and the Russian’s? Was there not an attempt during Czar Nicholas’s time where religion believers were made to suffer?
I seriously need to look a few things up. Thanks to Iggy and WK it’s all on the table now….every detail.
CTV and Jane Taber make me sick.
All she cared about was getting him to say whether or not he believed in evolution.
When he said he did, then CTV flashed that on the banner below. This is pathetic beyond belief.
Next they’ll be giving him a lie-detector test.
Jane Taber is not a serious journalist. The Globe is not a serious newspaper source.
I feel bad for Mr.Goodyear, what a smear job on him..
That’s the thing about Liberals and the Charter of Rights…
God help anyone else who blasphemes their blessed Charter!
But they have no qualms whatsoever in wiping their sorry unowhats with it when it suits them, eh?
We should be going after CTV for employing such a poor excuse for a journalist. I will never watch any show she’s on. If she actually asked him that question, she should be fired and he should launch a complaint, that’s over the line entirely.
I have no trouble blaspheming their **%%$### Charter. Thanks a hell of a lot for NOTHING BUT TROUBLE, Pierre Trudeau
I am sending an email of complaint to CTV management.
programming@ctv.ca
turn the darn show off!! You have a choice to be exposed to that crap!
If you keep watching it…then as you’re watching send off a few choice letters to sponsors and Taber herself.
What the heck. Maybe Iggy has given Jane permission to speak for the LPOC too…I mean she’s pretty much working for them isn’t she?
PMSH will be attending the Prayer Service for the 17 victims of the helicopter crash, in NFLD tomorrow, and I believe this is because he is compassionate and full of sorrow at this tradgedy. Wait for the media to spin it as a trolling for votes.
I had to turn Taber off. I couldn’t stand listening to her horrible voice and the way she interrupts her guests.
She’s really brought Tom Clark’s show to a new low. I may not watch again once he’s back.
It’s one hour of my day every day that is worth more than that crap.
Did anyone notice how difficult it is to find email addresses for our illustrious MSM???
Go take a look at Stephen Taylors blog about this whole fiasco. http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2009/03/liberals-first-to-go-neg-via-proxy/
Yes, according to Stephen Taylor, we’ve just been given the green light to go “negative”.
I’ll be expecting our MPs to stand up in QP and bring up this assault on Christians by Igor’s bagman. I’d like to know who exactly is running the Liberal Party. Because it sure doesn’t seem like Igor is.
Let’s go, people. Time for some truth ads.
Seems like we have a blogburst going on. And, so we should.
http://crux-of-the-matter.com/2009/03/17/radwanski-or-mcilroy-on-goodyear-interview/
CTV, should be ashamed. A Globe article, reanalysed by a Globe reporter?
No I agree with CC, this has to stop and the only way is to bombard CTV, with their obviously wretched decision, to give the catty one, a soapbox!
A sad day for the familys of the 17 victims indeed Mary T, our thoughts and prayers go out to them.
The chief difference, LC Bennett between Mr. Ignatiff and *GOD* is that *GOD* does not think he is Mr. Ignatiff. The only thing left the Liberals is the msm spin and bias which is not resonating with the public IMHO. I simply won’t watch any CBC news or CTV they and the PPG are biased beyond belief, I see they are complaining about their treatment re the allocation of passes to the POTUS visit, I think they are still laboring under the illusion that they are the new’s instead of simply reporting it, ink stained wretches indeed!
I don’t watch their crap, either Bubba. Reading first-hand analysis from these other good bloggers here makes me worked up enough as it is!
When the CPC decide to air their ads, let’s remember that it’s an answer to a prod by Mr. Ignatieff’s camp.
Do we remember the hoopla just a few short months ago about Obama’s inaugeration and the few stunned media at how much religion played in that ceremony because Obama wanted it that way.
Obama’s Kinsella and Iggy’s superhero isn’t he? Then why is it ok for Obama to have faith and demonstrate it but not ok for others.
also consider sending the LPOC a message as to how you feel. I can’t believe that Ignatieff would agree to insulting religious belief of people.
Stephen Taylor’s absolutely right, although, given that we all should have expected Kinsella, the best strategy for the CPC is to something they would not expect….like when they get back to work, make the next vote one of confidence and force an election. Let the LPOC see the result of their insults on ordinary Canadians BEFORE they’re leadership conference.
Is this the best the Liberals can do, drag out Barney?
If so, PMSH is sooooooo gonna get his majority next election.
Jane Tabloid got her answer from Minister Goodyear, bet she didn’t expect him to say ‘yes, and humans are still evolving’… IMO that was a reverse gotcha.
Acknowledge the science of evolution, but not the question of creation.
“yes, and humans are still evolving’… ”
I would have added – and, Jane, some of us have evolved faster than others when I hear your line of questioning.
Perhaps the Barney thing is meant to distract us all from the good news about the economy…and another favourable poll for PMSH!!!
Wilson – i agree – it’s like the old weekly pseudo scandal of last year.
So far, it appears that everything that comes out of the Iggy camp is an attempt at distraction.
Can they do anything else? It’s not looking good for Ignatieff…not at all.
This is what the MSM does when they’re carrying water for the LIbs.
Nothing new..
BTW – you might want to ask someone who actually KNOWS Mr. Goodyear whether he’s a “creationist” or not.
For the libtards and lefticles the idea of being Christian is that one must absolutely believe that God made the whole universe in seven days and it all happened about 5 thousand years ago..
That plays out very well for ignoramuses who can’t be bothered to actually learn anything about any religion. Makes it nice and easy to lump more than half the population into a bag and kick it around.
Makes them ALL very sure that their own belief in themselves being your betters is so well founded.
Perhaps the Barney thing is meant to distract us all from the good news about the economy…and another favourable poll for PMSH!!!
I believe you’ve got it, Wilson. They’re getting desperate.
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The creation – evolution nonsense brought up by the Liberals goes to show you how bankrupt they are when it comes to constructive criticism or ideas. If that is the best the Liberals can do, then they are truly one pathetic group of has-beens!! I mean, how stupid can you be but, then again, desperation does that to you.
As a Christian, my belief is that God created man. How he did it, only He knows!! Whether it’s the biblical creation story or the evolution theory makes no difference to me. Why? Because either way, God was the Creator. God brought man forth instantaneously or He created evolution to do so. Belief in God is paramount to a Christian, everything else is secondary.
As for science, it’s based on assumptions that can change over time. It’s based on what we believe to be true at the present time. There you go, it’s a belief system.
One more thing, the Conservatives must be doing an outstanding job if that’s the only type of things (the creation story) the Liberals can attack them on!! LOL
As a Christian, my belief is that God created man. How he did it, only He knows!! Whether it’s the biblical creation story or the evolution theory makes no difference to me. Why? Because either way, God was the Creator. God brought man forth instantaneously or He created evolution to do so.
Nicely said, Ed. That’s sort of where I’m at in this debate too.
And I agree with you that if this is all the Liberals and liberal media have to throw at the Conservatives, then they’re doing a darn good job.
The amount of information in a single set of human DNA is equivelent to 12 sets of the Enclopedia Britanica, an incredible 384 volumes of information, which would fill 48 feet of library shelves, so who wrote the books, is my question? I can’t accept that this just happened.
Whatever you believe, wheather it is evolution or creationism should be respected and not used as a cheap “gotcha” which says much more about you than the person whose beliefs you are attempting to denigrate.
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