Unreasonable Accommodation

Because singing our national anthem in a Canadian school can be very offensive.

Try to imagine something like that happening in the States.

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Update: ChuckerCanuk has graciously provided us with a politically-correct version of our national anthem. We trust that Principal Millett would not find this one too objectionable.

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45 Responses to Unreasonable Accommodation

  1. Richard says:

    “Other people of particular faiths or beliefs say they don’t want their child to sing the anthem.”

    and why in God’s name are we letting them live here?
    a fine mess that Trudeau fellow created.

  2. Bruce says:

    If they don’t like it here in Canada they are more than welcome to go back to wherever it is that they came from and they shouldn’t let the door hit their ass on the way out.

  3. Bec says:

    Are you kidding me? Who is letting this happen? We are, that’s who! SICK!

    Get these people out of this country if our children cannot sing their National Anthem!

  4. Joanne says:

    The real problem are the weak-kneed principals, etc that give in to this kind of thing.

    When my son was young, he had a friend who was a JW and the kid’s parents asked that he stand outside the classroom door while they sang O Canada. Not a big deal. He did it and then came back in when the others were finished.

  5. Gabby in QC says:

    From the article Joanne linked to:
    «”As a school administrator, he attempts to juggle the interests of a diverse population, Millett said.

    “Whether it’s for religious or family value reasons, this is a public education system, it’s secular and we’re serving the public,” he said. “Is it right or is it fair for children who are not allowed to sing the anthem to be forced to?»

    I believe this administrator does not KNOW the meaning of “secular.”
    secular –adjective
    1. of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred; temporal: secular interests.
    2. not pertaining to or connected with religion (opposed to sacred ): secular music.
    3. (of education, a school, etc.) concerned with nonreligious subjects.
    4. (of members of the clergy) not belonging to a religious order; not bound by monastic vows (opposed to regular ).

    Like Richard, I figure the parents who objected to their children singing the anthem for “religious or family value reasons” should perhaps move to a country where their children will not be exposed to such objectionable religious or family values.
    As an immigrant myself, now a Canadian citizen (thank you again, Canada), I ask a simple question: why come to live in a country whose values offend you? MOVE, for pete’s sake! Find a country that shares YOUR values.
    P.S.: May I contribute a little something for your one-way ticket?

  6. LC Bennett says:

    Minorities rule in Canada. By minorities, I do not mean only racial and religious. In most places, just one or two complaints lead to a policy change – food allergies, perfume allergies, Christmas displays and greetings, all other Christian traditions and even our national anthem. In past times, people would roll their eyes at complaining busybodies; now the easy-going majority is required to accommodate them or face prosecution by entities like human rights commissions.

    In this case, the principal’s vague response indicate that the policy change is likely due to an internal complaint (by himself or other staff).

  7. Joanne says:

    Good point about the word ‘secular’, Gabby.

    From the article:

    “Whether it’s for religious or family value reasons, this is a public education system, it’s secular and we’re serving the public,” he said. “Is it right or is it fair for children who are not allowed to sing the anthem to be forced to?

    Who would be forcing them to anyway? They could just sit or stand there and not move their lips.

    And he talks about removing the national anthem to have a ‘more productive day’. I wonder if that might work for our soldiers in Afghanistan as well?

  8. MaryT says:

    Fire the principal or administrator or the whole school board.
    I am tired of teachers making the rules.
    I am tired of parents and citizens as a whole turning the other cheek, and not get involved.
    One of these days someone is going to ban something you like, and no one will be there to defend you.
    Wake up, fight back.
    Teachers go on strike, time for a parent stike against idiot teachers and administrators.
    Time to rock the boat.
    OT, but the killer at the daycare in Belgium was known to the police. Now he is known to the whole world and two children under three are dead and also a worker.

  9. DarkCity says:

    I wonder what the principal would do if students decided to sing the anthem every day at recess or in the yard before school.

    Detentions?
    Suspensions?
    Sensitivity training?

    Maybe students and parents should assemble every morning outside the school to sing the anthem. Will see if the police come by to pick them up.

  10. Joanne says:

    Dark City – What you’re suggesting there amounts to civil disobedience! The Nanny State wouldn’t allow that.

    [/sarc off.]

  11. PnR says:

    Always find stories like this rather troubling – glad that they didn’t go down the path of banning the signing of the National Anthem in it’s entirety.

    I am with Joanne – I remember when I was in elementary school there were always students who left the classroom when the Lord’s prayer was recited. In high school, can’t recall if the same thing happened with O’Canada.

  12. TangoJuliette says:

    Re: The Brainiac who is “sensitively” administering things at the school.

    This Principal is glaring proof of the adage that “a lot of schooling, a number of letters after one’s name on the letterhead, and a pile of sheepskins on the wall” don’te always produce smart people.

    How sadly neo-Canadian in a tragic lib-bloc-ellie-dip way. Here’s hoping this yutz doesn’t ever run into a vet or two.

    But then again, they might just happen to get him some smarts, after all.

    tj

  13. fh says:

    Oath Of Citizenship

    I swear ( or affirm ) that I will be faithful
    and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty
    Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada,
    Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully
    observe the laws of Canada
    and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.

    is this meaningless?

    Stand up for Canada

    fh

  14. Liz J says:

    Have we got certifiable idiots running and working in our public school systems?

    If someone is Canadian citizen and cannot sing the National Anthem, they have options, leave the room, or, if it’s that offensive as part of our Nation’s heritage, should leave post haste, they are not Canadians.

    I still don’t entirely blame the immigrants, it’s coming from the Lefty creep we’ve allowed to crawl into our education systems from kindergarten through university.

  15. Joe says:

    Political correctness & weak kneed liberalism is truly what is destroying this country. If you don’t like it here get the F*** out & go back where you came from. For too many years under the Liberals we ended up taking a lot of human refuse that the other countries were only too glad to get rid of. Anybody remember Toronto before the gang problem? Hopefully the Tories will do a lot better screening.

    A Canadian immigrating anywhere else is expected to follow that country’s rules & that same should apply here.
    Oh & by the way my family came from another country in the 40’s & became REAL CANADIANS not convenient Canadians like some of our new arrivals.

  16. I find it rather revealing that many of you are reflexively blaming immigrants for this even though the article makes no mention of who wanted the singing of the national anthem ended. Most of the time these types of incidents are initiated by natural born citizens.

    I also find it rather interesting that all of you think the school curriculum should now include teaching patriotism even though, according to all of you, that teaching will be done by lefties. Are you really sure you want “liberal” academia teaching patriotism to your children?

  17. Joanne says:

    PnR – Great detective work! Ran for the Green Party. Mmmm…

    Oh yes, and a bachelor of arts in “international human rights” – from Carleton no less!

  18. Joanne says:

    Robert, here’s a clue – “We’re not living in a bubble in the Belleisle – there’s cultural diversity everywhere,” he said.

  19. Joanne says:

    Are you really sure you want “liberal” academia teaching patriotism to your children?

    Do we have a choice?

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  21. Gabby in QC says:

    Robert McClelland at 3:38 pm:
    “I find it rather revealing that many of you are reflexively blaming immigrants …
    I also find it rather interesting that all of you think the school curriculum should now include teaching patriotism even though, according to all of you, that teaching will be done by lefties.”

    Are you not making a similar assumption, i.e. that the complaint did NOT come from immigrant parents, but rather from “natural born citizens”?
    Why did the principal say some parents objected on the basis of religious or family values, then?
    I am not aware of any “natural born citizens” who do not allow their children to sing the country’s anthem, unless they’re members of some doctrinaire cult.
    So maybe you’re right after all.

    As for equating singing the national anthem with “teaching patriotism” – hmm, no. It’s simply teaching a song. I believe there’s far more to patriotism than that.

    Finally, are you not assuming something else? In your words, you have used “according to all of you” claiming that all who post here have expressed the fear that only lefties will be teaching school children.
    Not all who post here have said that.
    AND
    Righties will be teaching children too. As a matter of fact, I’d be willing to bet the majority of teachers are right-handed ;-)

  22. C.C. says:

    Nothing surprises me any more about decisions made in our public schools. This wouldn’t be an issue at all if the principal were a good manager.

    In my experience parents are quite good advocates for their kids but every once in a while even parents make life miserable for others too.

    If we keep dumbing down Canadian patriotism and loyalty by singing our national anthem….we risk losing our collective identity. Remember just a few weeks ago when the anthem played for our Junior Hockey team and how thrilled the nation was?

    I’m pretty sure the boobs that instigated this and who are prolonging this nonsense melted at the site of the nation to our south as Obama took office and wondered why we don’t feel the same way about our country and our politics. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY.

  23. Fay says:

    Joanne, we had a similar situation at my childrens elementary school about fifteen years ago.But our principal decided to cancel O Canada altogether ran than embarass the Jehovah Witness children.
    I started a petition at parent council and delivered it to the superintendant. O Canada was reinstated. But my children bore the repercussions until that principal retired. I am not sure it was worth it.

  24. This seems pretty insane to me. If my kids’ schools dropped the anthem I’d be very vocal in my extreme displeasure. However, Robert’s point is very valid. It could just as likely be made-in-Canada Jehovah’s Witness’ complaining as any immigrant family.

    Both my kids attend schools that are very culturally diverse. I never heard anything but praise for our public schools from any immigrant families I know.

  25. Liz J says:

    I find it totally unbelievable that anyone could defend this as a Canadian citizen of any political stripe.

  26. Bec says:

    My children, also went to school with JW’s and the National Anthem was never an issue.
    It absolutely needs to be the other way around. Those that are offended should be the ones to leave.
    BTW Joanne, second link does not work. Is it just me?

  27. Sammy says:

    I remember when I was in elementary school,back in the time of the dinosaur,and there was a family of Jehovah’s Witnesses that also attended.The parents didn’t want their kids ‘subjected’ to the Lord’s Prayer (remember when we said that at start of the school day?) The solution was simple..the JW kids stood outside the class till end of prayer,and that was it.
    Speaking of saying the Prayer in school,isn’t it telling,that I don’t recall mass-murders in schools back then,or ‘gangs’ or kids wearing pants half-way down their butt-crack,and kids actually respected and paid attention to the teacher.No drug deals in the hallway,and girls breasts were covered.Guess I’m just old-fashioned,but I kinda liked that time a lot better than the new God-free,anything goes Liberal society of today.

  28. Bec says:

    Ha ha ha, Sammy,boy that brings back memories! We had our hands and nails checked for cleanliness.
    Lords prayer, God save The Queen to start and Oh Canada, to end the day.

  29. Gabby in QC says:

    I plead ignorance re: Jehovah Witnesses not wanting their children to sing the anthem. Sorry, I truly did not know.

    However, when foreign dignitaries come to visit, or when the Olympics take place and various national anthems are played, are the stands suddenly cleared of people who are not of that country’s origin? Don’t people simply stand out of respect for the citizens of that country, regardless of whether it’s a democracy similar to ours or not?

    Why can’t those children do the same?
    Stand in respect and not sing the anthem.
    Do we now have to make a special law to meet every single possible eventuality?

  30. Sammy says:

    MUST READ and it would be great to post this Jo,see the letter posted in comments section of ‘Obama Targets Muslims for Death’ over at SDA. under doowleb@4:34 pm. and boy oh boy it’s great.It is written by a gool ole’ Maritimer and it should be required reading for the libtards/dippers.

  31. Joanne says:

    BTW Joanne, second link does not work. Is it just me?

    Bec, are you referring to the Telegraph-Journal link? It has been a bit wonky but it has a lot more info than the Record link. Try again.

  32. Liz J says:

    Thanks Sammy, that’s a must read, in fact I’ve printed it. It deserves national attention.

  33. Sammy says:

    Printed and framed Jo!I love the simplicity and common sense of that letter.Something sadly lacking nowadays!

  34. Liz J says:

    Did I hear correctly Craig Oliver refering to Harper “he wants an election and that’s OUR problem”?
    What can we take from that?

  35. Joanne says:

    Liz, when did you hear that?

  36. Selma says:

    It was bad enough when they changed the words due to PC nonsense but this is crazy.

    What could anyone find offensive about a national anthem? I like the comparison with prayers, etc, as if it’s somehow a religious thing.

    I’m surprised they just play it, instead of having the kids sing it, the way we used to sing – gasp! – God Save the Queen when I was a kid.

    So, if a parent objects to their kid’s sitting at a desk or doing tests, are they excused?

    I’m all for individual rights, trust me, but sometimes you just gotta play the game to get along.

  37. DaveCF says:

    I am an immigrant – and I went to school in Canada (and male teachers wore jacket and tie) we sang the Maple Leaf Forever or O Canada, depending on the school. The anthem wasn’t fully decided at the time. I spent more than three decades in the Canadian Forces and have developed a low level of tolerance for people like the unmentionable principal. When I served overseas and my son went to a school the Americans ran, they insisted that all kids of all nationalities stand with hands on heart for their national anthem (so much for ‘international school’) and my son had to recite the preamble to the U.S. Constitution in order to graduate – being an excremental disturbing Canadian, he did start it with, “YOU the people… Put the anthem back, put the principal out.

  38. Joanne says:

    Put the anthem back, put the principal out.

    Well said, DaveCF, and thanks for your personal story.

    “You the people..” Love it!

  39. ed says:

    Two parents complain and, as a result, Millet throws out O Canada. How pathetic is this!! Once again, it’s about being politically correct!! Having read Millet’s commentary, I would have laughed were it not so sad.

    The attitude is we must not offend anyone, we must not hurt anyone’s feelings, we must accomodate everyone, etc.. We’re told we must be careful not to hurt little Johnny’s feelings or he may be scarred for life. The politically correct BS continues.

    Paul Martin, while running for election, repeatedly said “Canada is a country of nations.” What a stupid thing to say!! Multi-culturalism – the development of many nations within Canada. No wonder, we have all these problems today!! And it’s not the immigrants that are doing the damage by promoting this, it’s Canadians. And mainly those on the left.

    The Netherlands, recently, have developed a policy and instituted a program that requires immigrants to follow. This is to help them to adjust to Dutch life. They must comply if they expect to become Dutch citizens. I think Canada should consider the same idea. It would help new immigrants to adjust better to the Canadian way of life.

    Also, I agree that the majority – minority issue in all areas and aspects of life in Canada is out of whack.

  40. Extended Lyrics of O Canada

    O Canada!
    Our home and native land!
    True patriot love in all thy sons command.
    With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
    The True North strong and free!
    From far and wide, O Canada,
    We stand on guard for thee.
    God keep our land glorious and free!
    O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
    O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

    O Canada!
    Where pines and maples grow,
    Great prairies spread
    And lordly rivers flow,
    How dear to us thy broad domain,
    From East to Western Sea,
    Thou land of hope, for all who toil!
    Thou True North strong and free!
    God keep our land
    Glorious and free!
    O Canada! We stand on guard for thee!
    O Canada! We stand on guard for thee!

    O Canada!
    Beneath thy shining skies
    May stalwart sons
    And gentle maidens rise,
    To keep thee steadfast through the years
    From East to Western Sea,
    Our own beloved native land!
    Our True North strong and free!
    God keep our land,
    Glorious and free!
    O Canada! We stand on guard for thee!
    O Canada! We stand on guard for thee!

    Ruler Supreme, who hearest humble prayer,
    Hold our Dominion in Thy loving care.
    Help us to find, O God, in Thee
    A lasting, rich reward,
    As waiting for the Better Day
    We ever stand on guard.
    O Canada! We stand on guard for thee!
    O Canada! We stand on guard for thee!

  41. Gabby in QC says:

    Rural & Right @ at 1:44 pm, where did you get that extended version of O Canada?

    If you are the author, congratulations!

  42. Gabby in QC, I should know better than to post without a reference.

    The official ‘O Canada’ was taken from the original 1908 ‘O Canada’ Poem by Stanley Weir that I posted above.

    Source: Canadian Heritage website – National Anthem: O Canada

    http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/ceem-cced/symbl/anthem-eng.cfm#a7

    Weir did write a beautiful poem for Canada, and I can recall singing a long version of ‘O Canada’ at Canada Day Celebrations in my youth.

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