I only have one question – How are they going to pin this one on Harper?
Just imagine the mental gyrations going on right now in Liberal party HQ and MSM outlets.
(H/T Alberta Girl)
More at Secrets of Vancouver – Supreme Court rules against the Liberals.
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Update: Speaking of spin, this one should get some kind of award! Warren Kinsella cherry-picks a single phrase out of a whole Ivison column dripping with sarcasm about Ignatieff, as part of his Iggy-Media Lovefest post:
"…the Liberal leader has been in frontline politics for three years now and has learned the language appropriate for a political leader…"
Obviously Kinsella is hoping you don’t read the whole thing and has conveniently forgotten to supply the next little bit and a link:
…But the Liberal leader has been in frontline politics for three years now and has learned the language appropriate for a political leader. Indignation, self-belief and resoluteness are in; anxiety, doubt and indecision are out.
He also understands the value of a heartwarming anecdote when you have nothing constructive to say on an issue. When he was asked about his plans for rural Canada, he launched into a rambling soliloquy about how he grew up in his uncle’s barn in Quebec — "born in a manger, no doubt," quipped one cynic …
I’m in a good mood today and ever so happy to help fill in the gaps.
“I only have one question – How are they going to pin this one on Harper? ”
They will say…
If the Reform Party had not been formed and hijacked the PC party; the Liberal party would still be in power and would have been able to hide this from the Canadian people!!!
So in a time of economic crisis, we learn that the Liberals aren’t the deficit slaying party of good governance and fiscal prudence that theyve always claimed to be.
Well, that is one more Liberal talking point totally discredited.
What is more, how are those people who were forced to pay those premiums illegally going to get their money back? The Federal government? Great, perfect timing for these economic times. Ncie going LPC, you bloody idiots.
What bothers me is the daily pouring audacity insults on the prime minister so they can continue covering the liberals continuation of scams: ADSCAM, COUPSCAM, E.I SCAM. there is more to come.
Now the prime minister has more problems to deal with.
The liberals are done.
A.G. Let’s see if the MSM will speak for the public or continue protecting the liberals from the public.
But the Liberals say the Coalition should bring down Harper because he isn’t doing enough on EI.
LOL.
Just like this morning CHED News had Iggy saying he didn’t want any closed door meetings with Harper becuase he didn’t want any backroom deals.
Pee… my… pants…
“I’m in a good mood today and ever so happy to help fill in the gaps.”
I’m not partial to clichés but … you go, girl!
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Paul Martin supposed to be part of that elitist economic advisory board for the Coalition?
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/ei-ruling/#clip120733
Here is the CTV video clip. Apparently Harper has 12 months to decide what to do with this problem that the Liberals left us with. GREAAAAAATTTTTT! Now he has to decide how to deal with billions in over-funding of a federal program because the Liberals can’t be bothered to consult Parliament. Its not as if we don’t ALREADY have an economic crisis. Thanks a lot Liberals, you dummies!
This is going to change the budget big time. What will be amusing is watching the Liberals try to oppose tough measures now when they have a lot to answer for.
The Supreme Court of Canada ruling says that the Liberals were wrong in setting EI rates without going to parliament for authorization.
It was a cabinet decision and that was illegal in that it was “a violation of the principle of no taxation without representation”.
That’s certainly going to look bad for the Liberals but they’ll argue that the Supreme Court actually backs them in the diversion of funds (the $54 billion) to help balance the books since the ruling doesn’t say that diverting those funds was illegal.
The ruling also doesn’t say anything about repaying the $54,000,000,000 that was re-allocated and it gives the government 12 months to respond.
The $54 billion was used to balance the budget and fund new training programs for the unemployed.
Here’s an interesting tidbit from the CTV website that has a story on this ruling.
The debate over the misuse of EI funds began when Finance Minister Paul Martin, under Prime Minister Jean Chretien, brought in new eligibility rules to make it harder for the unemployed to collect benefits.
Could these be the same rules that the Libs now want eliminated?
NeilD
The ruling also doesn’t say anything about repaying the $54,000,000,000 that was re-allocated and it gives the government 12 months to respond.
So in other words and in a nutshell, the CONSERVATIVE government has 12 whole months to figure a way out of this mess that the LIBERALS caused because of their incompetence. WHAT THE F**K?!?!?
No, the Tories aren’t going to wear this one, the Liberals will.
$54 BILLION (!) That is the biggest Liberal boondoggle by far!
Neil thanks for that info. Here’s the CTV link you mentioned. It will be interesting to hear the spin on this one.
Hehehe now the Tories will be justified in putting forth whatever budget they see fit. And with this little story breaking, there is not a lot that the Liberals can say about it.
Awesome.
I hope the next time some sanctimonious, snot nosed, liberal pundit talks about what good fiscal managers they were; that the Conservative pundit laughs in their faces.
This needs to be kept in the news.
What say you Red Tory, Woods….Lib supporter….Ti Guy…..Kinsella…. cue crickets.
and this is exactly the same thing the Liberal’s were misleading Canadian’s with about the Green Shift being revenue neutral.
The E.I. fund was revenue neutral, meaning the Liberal’s spent whatever wasn’t needed to cover E.I. benefits.
Libs will argue: ‘the diversion of funds (the $54 billion) to help balance the books’…
Liberals illegally taxed Canadians, used the $54B in illegal taxation to record 3 years of ‘budget surplus’…ouch!
And Ducey and Jack want Liberals to lead a coalition because they can do better than the sitting government? lol
And if you listen to the way it’s being reported by CBC you would think it’s the CURRENT CONSERVATIVE Govt. they are reporting on…..They say the GOVT…..Not the LIBERAL GOVT. in 2001,2003, 2005.
Also CTV’s headlines say OTTAWA….not Ottawa LIBERALS.
This will be covered up by the media. No BREAKING NEWS here.
What is very interesting is the fact the decision was 7-0, no wiggle room there. $54 billion,uhmm kind of close to 50 billion in corporate tax cuts needed to encourage job creation,kinda of interesting do ya think?
You’re right, Ontario Girl. Only political junkies like ourselves would know from these media reports that it was THE FREAKIN’ LIBERALS who did the dirty here, not the present government. I don’t think I heard Dan Matheson say once that it was the Liberals.
cheap disgusting criminal MSM.
Jo, go take a look at the CBC headline for this, just make sure you aren’t taking a sip of your coffee when you do.
They are unbelievable….
You can see it here:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/
The Liberals have lost yet more ground. What a shame this is happening when they’ve finally crowned their saviour to lead and maybe even put them back on the gravy train to pilfer more money for their schemes.
Maybe they can tell us if this is how they managed to get such huge surpluses and are mad as wet hens they didn’t get to spend the last one.
No wonder the old boys are staying away from the fray, they were there when this all happened.
Sorry but it is obama who was born in the manger.
So will this end the talk about balanced budgets that the liberals always had. Just like the media omits the Bloc as part of the coalition, they sort of miss mentioning this is a liberal scandal. Iggy, what do you say. Perhaps all ex lib mps and sitting libs who were there at the time should be docked pay and pension to repay this theft. Message to voters, if the libs or coalition get back in, they will cover this up big time. PMSH needs his majority.
Of course if we were in opposition we could start committee investigations into all the scams and thefts of the past 20 years.
Go to your facebook pages – go under “write a note” and leave a little message to the effect that you find it interesting that the media are reporting that it is the “government” or “Ottawa” that “broke the law” regarding EI instead of the reporting that it was the Liberals when they were in power. So much for fairness and balance in journalism.
I think Facebook reaches way more people in not so subtle ways.
If Duceppe doesn’t rear up over this, he will lose alot of respect from Quebecers.
”The Confederation des Syndicats Nationaux, one of Quebec’s leading labour organizations,
had demanded that $54-billion in allegedly diverted premiums be returned to the EI system and used to fund future benefits to jobless workers.”
Sorry but it is obama who was born in the manger.
Well, he is definitely very popular in the nativity scenes this year.
It is obvious who has the hidden agenda: LPC of course! Taxation without representation, electing a new leader undemocratically by ELITISTS, and wanting to seize power thru an equally undemocratic coalition.
Iggy’s arrogant news conference looking so in charge is typical of the Count salivating at the prospect of seizing power in Jan. as of course he will vote against the budget.
Well, he needs to taste democracy. Let’s see him lecture to us in an election campaign! We NEED an election at the end of January. We NEED democracy: let the people decide not the ELITISTS!
A good question is how is this going to affect the budget? Now that this story of $54 billion in overfunding is out in the open, and the Tories have 12 months to respond in fixing this problem that the Liberals dropped into their lap, the Liberals can’t be so stupid as to demand huge budget concessions in terms of big time spending and think realisticallty that they should get it. No – BLOODY – WAY!
Meanwhile, you can hear crickets and see tumbleweeds over at Liblogs over this. But if you listen closely, behind the blogs, I bet you will hear a quite, but collective “ohhhhh sh*t!!” over this…….
Thanks for that CBC link, Platty.
So we now know what the Liberal spin will be via the Mothercorps which obviously already received the talking points from a tablet etched by His Igginess.
Did anyone notice if Petey Mansbridge pointed or waved a finger at Layton or Iggy during his interview with them like he did our Prime Minister?
The war is on and looks like we’re getting lots of ammunition to win it big time. If Ignatieff thinks he’s in for a free ride to the top job, he’s in for a rude awakening. He may find out he’s inherited a fine mess and is being used as a Dupe, albeit with great expectations, to clean up their mess.
It will be interesting to see if Newman and Duffy want to talk about it. If not, the Conservatives on the shows can certainly bring it up when the word budget is mentioned.
Did anyone notice if Petey Mansbridge pointed or waved a finger at Layton or Iggy during his interview with them like he did our Prime Minister?
It’s pretty hard to point or gesture when you’re bowed down in fawning submission.
Has anyone found any headline at all in MSM that mentions the Liberals regarding this Supreme Court decision?
They’ll blame this on Harper by using the rule of “just because we are libs and we can, dammit!”
Hey folks, remember when Iggy had his little interview on CBC last night, essentially saying that he believed the Tories were cooking the books? Well, which party are the chefs now, Iggy?
And it’s GONE on CBC….not a MENTION of this story. They are onto the sentors story now, saying they will have to “keep an eye on this”.
Of course the Liberals on the CBC comment section to this story of EI are spinning it to be the fault of PMSH….???? Go figure.
This better not be blamed on the government tonight on Newman or MDL. If they don’t say the Liberals used the EI money to pay for the surplus, we need to really start a email blitz to the media.
Just because the MSM think everyone is busy thinking about Christmas, we sure can’t let this one pass.
this is fun…
while surfing I just dialed
1-866-306-4636
and let the phone ring till someone answered ..then I asked “which government broke the law”…then I got routed to next party and again asked “which government broke the law” and was told “think it was the Liberal government”…then i said it would be nice if the headline said so…and the party said they would pass on the suggestion.
I felt great after the phone call…cuz I actually got to talk to a real person at the CBC and they now know that I a taxpaying citizen actually take an interest in the job they do. Rule 1 inHuman resources: SET THE EXPECTATIONS OF YOUR EMPLOYEES.
HS, thanks for the phone number, I called and on the 12th ring some lady answered. Can I help you, yes, please tell your listeners the truth that it was the liberal government that broke the law. As a taxpayer and your employer I insist the cbc tell the truth. This is not the fault of PMSH, steffie or count iggy, and I insist you tell the truth. It will be difficult but you can survive. End of conversation by me.
Everyone should call.
Is Dion smiling today that he does not have to respond to this. Behind every cloud there is a silver lining. Bet Duceppe is also wearing a big smile. I can recall him asking many questions about this in question period over the past years.
Maybe the suffering taxpayayers can regain some of their monies by reposessing Paul Martin’s CSL boats, eh?
Whatta bunch of thieving goons and goofs.
tj
Other good news from the Court, KS has been denied his appeal re deportation.
For payback put Brian in the Senate.
here’s how the game is played…
e-mail addresses to CBC execs at
http://www.earsay.com/standonguardforcbc/you-can-take-action-toolkits/write-letters/
execs…
http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/about/smc/index.shtml
tel #s for CBC Montrreal (call collect)
CBC Montreal
P.O. Box 6000,
Montreal, QC H3C 3A8
TEL: (514) 597-6000
CBC Radio One Newsroom:
TEL: (514) 597-6300
FAX: (514) 597-6510
See: Hidden Agenda…Quebec connection
http://insidethecbc.com/montreal-lawyer-appointed-new-cbc-president
here’s how the game is played…
e-mail addresses to CBC execs at
http://www.earsay.com/standonguardforcbc/you-can-take-action-toolkits/write-letters/
execs…
http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/about/smc/index.shtml
tel #s for CBC Montrreal (call collect)
CBC Radio One Newsroom:
TEL: (514) 597-6300
FAX: (514) 597-6510
See: Hidden Agenda…Quebec connection
http://insidethecbc.com/montreal-lawyer-appointed-new-cbc-president
i phoned Montreal collect…they first wouldn’t accept charges…so phoned back till did…and spoke to a party and made suggestion that they fix the headline because it is measleading in that people would think the current government is responsible…
the party wasn’t sypathetic but i said i’ld call back if the headline wasn’t fixed.
“Sorry but it is obama who was born in the manger”
The Libs are franchising mangers!
I don’t know which makes me more furious:
The obscene act of malfeasance by the bully and the liar or
The ludicrous decision by the faux fur wrapped heads or
The flacid empty response of the MSM.
Does anyone have a list compiled of all of the Liberal screw-ups and boondoggles over their time in office?
I’m betting it a Guinness record or something.
It would be great to have one.
I think Harper’s going to manage this just fine. He has my support.
Hay Mary T – fantastic idea — get BM in the senate—that should shock a few Liberals…There’s no doubt he would shake up the whole lot of the Liberals old boys club…There is no doubt about it, the Liberals are in further doggie-do than they have ever been. Harper needs a majority NOW, to try to clear out the garbage that was left by the Liberals. It will be a monumental job…
Joanne,
You seem to be developing a soft spot for Ignatieff.
I knew that Iggy was going to be a riot but he assumed wrong strategy for rebuilding tarnished image of Liberal Brand. He could have started with calling Jack Layton on a carpet to renegotiate Coalition deal and chop NDP participation in the Cabinet to Jack Layton becoming asistant in some minor Ministry as the only NDP nomination. That would send Taliban Jack ballistic and set a stage for Iggy to back out of a coalition deal. Better still he could have delegated Bob Rae as the messenger to deliver that news to Jack.
On the other front Iggy could start a row with Dalton McGuinty and scold him publicly for his socialist policies in Ontario. That move would boost his popularity in Ontario.
The way things are Iggy is about to burn himself out trying to “stand up” to Harper.
If you are listening to Adler, here is the link to Galganov’s blog. Very interesting position.
http://www.galganov.com/editorials.asp?ID=1073
If BM was in the Senate just think of the discussions on bill etc. Hey guys, you pass this or I will remember when you did such and such. He knows where all the bodies are buried, and before the trolls get here, he probably buried some himself. Legislation might even get speeded up. And as he would not have to worry about elections because he would probably be near retirement by then. I expect it will take years to change. 18 seats now and 30 by the end of 2009.
Send sympathy cards to all those media hacks who have been waiting since Jim Munson got in.
Next, who should be the next GG. My pick Preston Manning.
C.C.
Here’s a list I use:
http://www.lufa.ca/boondoggles.asp
“Does anyone have a list compiled of all of the Liberal screw-ups and boondoggles over their time in office?”
Here’s one to get you started if you like, C.C.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/CanadaVotes/Comments/2008/09/18/6803036.php?comments_page=2
Go to this part”
“YOU SAID
145 Comments
THIS IS FOR CARL AND RICK, AND A REMINDER TO ALL, LAST TIME THE LIBERALS HELD POWER:
Liberal Boondoggles and Scandals …”
There’s also this:
http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=4295&pid=78049&mode=threaded&start=#entry78049
“Chretien & Martin Government broke law in financing EI”.
Ralph Goodale was Finance Minister between 2003-2006. That would put him right in the middle of all the controversy? Hmmmm!
Re; Galganov. He’s known as an “angryphone” (a play on “anglophone”) here in Quebec.
After reading his blog, you may want to consider a different perspective. Your choice, of course.
http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/angryphone/
CBC Montreal Newsroom TEL: (514) 597-6300
finally took my collect call.
they said that if I phoned back collect they would call the police and have me charged with harassment and hung up.
I call back and made sure they got my name right.
Yea, Gabby I saw that one too. It is just interesting to hear that perspective because it is not often discussed on Western Canadian airwaves….
I posted this comment on the wrong topic so am posting it here again.
Because I am not at a TV, I am wondering if the latest EI Scandal is getting any play on MDL?
Alberta Girl,
My impression was…The Government broke the rules, the government needs to respond within 12 months…
Anyone else?
Hey Joanne…where are the sign in “letters”?
Just another validation that the liberals were indeed ‘the party of thieves ‘.
Hey here is a new contest over at Ruby Dhalla’s new website to appeal to the grassroots
http://www.yourvoices.ca/
“Submit your entry. The top ten entries will be invited to meet the new leader of the Liberal Party. ”
Maybe YOU can have a face to face with Iggy – any takers?
“I am wondering if the latest EI Scandal is getting any play on MDL?”
Alberta Girl, I was wondering the same thing, whether Don Newman would be covering the SC’s decision on EI. I was busy for the first half of the program, so I don’t know if he did. I’ll watch it online later on.
Bec, Mr. Galganov’s POV and his approach to issues is too polarizing, IMO. I’m glad you have had the opportunity to see more than a one-sided view of Mr. Galganov’s POV.
Anyway, up to each individual to determine whether his views should carry weight or not.
Alberta Girl said,
“Hey here is a new contest over at Ruby Dhalla’s new website to appeal to the grassroots”
Very irritating soundtrack…..but no thanks,isn’t that what leadership conventions are for..? lol
What a racket!
I commented on MDL above. I will just say that my impression was the “government” did it and was responsible to fix it……
Hey Joanne…where are the sign in “letters”?
Aha! You noticed. Just playing around with various spam programs and testing the pros & cons. Thanks for your patience.
Late CTV news with Lloyd …”and in other news
the SC says the Liberals screwed you fools out of 54 billion dollars.
And, that’s the kind of day it’s been.
Good night.”
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Thanks for the Liberal screw-up and boondoggle lists!
I’m keeping them on my desk for easy referral when writing to media. It’s one of those must have lists…along with Harper’s accomplishments that need lots of promotion.
CC dearest, you said “I’m keeping them on my desk for easy referral when writing to media”
Why not send them to europe USA and while you are at it ask the conservative there hyperthetical questions so they put the same question to their people.
You have two governments one is a liberal party and the other conservative party.
One of these party(no name mentioned) steals in the millions from the public for their own personal use, scam from (list them) including going against voters’ choice of government to illegally form a coalition……, support terrorist groups, embraces the hezbollah flag instead of their nation’s flag, neglects the military health educ…..; etc etc and still say they care for you.
The other party reduces the debt, gst, taxes, rebuilds the military etc,etc.
Which one of the two parties is favoured by the MSM and the other, hated by the MSM.
Which party if election was at hand, would you vote for.
Note: the reason for this One of these party(unnamed)simply for the people to think, think real hard.
CC; I think those questions should be asked to our canadians who have no glue who the prime minister or what he has done for the country which was neglected manipulated by the MSM and liberals