First of all, I want to thank her Excellency Governor General Michaëlle Jean for giving us a bit of breathing room.
However, if you think this coalition threat has passed, you are falling right into their trap. They would love for you to lapse into complacency.
Hunter is warning us not to underestimate our foe and she is right. All you have to do is read Jane Taber’s revelations from inside the Liberal caucus meeting to know that a Lord of the Flies type of struggle is occurring within the Liberal Party with the chant of "kill him. Kill him dead " still ringing in their heads as they plot how to overthrow The Beast.
I heard a disturbing report last night on CTV, and I can’t find any record of it online. However, unless I was half asleep and was dreaming, it seems that the Liberals are considering naming a new leader based on the number of memberships they sell by early February and then the winner from that contest will be named leader. The report suggested that they would then have a Prime Minister In Waiting. How this bodes for the survival of either the Harper Government or the Coalition is anyone’s guess right now.
One thing is clear though – we can’t let up. We must continue to rally people across the nation to ask the GG to allow an election, if the Coalition brings down the government at the end of January.
The question of a three-party Coalition Government must be put to the people. It will be the Conservative party vs. the Liberal-NDP-Bloc Coalition. And I know that I was saying to calm down on the inflammatory anti-Bloc rhetoric yesterday, but the fact remains that the Bloc’s involvement is required for this coalition to survive and remain stable.
Unfortunately the ’solitudes’ in Canada have never been so evident. Right against left. East against west. Public sector against private.
So citizens across the country need to be able to have a say in a government that would be propped up by a party whose exclusive interest revolves around only one province. That is only fair.
We need an election to clear the air and prove to Canadians that their vote does actually count for something. Voter cynicism and apathy was shown to be rampant during the last election. Let’s ask for a chance to do something about that. The GG needs to give Canadians another opportunity to make that right.
I have a feeling that we all are suddenly becoming more aware of this precious gift that the coalition is trying to take away from us, in their lust to grab power without putting it to the people.
Finally, everyone needs to take a step back and confront the Beast that lives within each of us.
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Update: * Please vote for Choice for Childcare in the Best Feminist Blog category! Sara is one tough cookie.
Also, Lorrie Goldstein has some excellent suggestions for all parties in today’s column – Take a Break and then get back to work. I love this paragraph:
…Stephen Harper, Stephane Dion, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe needn’t have a "Kumbaya moment" and sing around the campfire. But with the global economy entering recession and thousands losing their jobs, this Parliament must do what we hired it to do seven weeks ago…
That’s right! We hired them and they’re not doing their jobs!! The partisanship has got to go.
Reminder: Two polls are active on the Polls page. Please vote. Thank you.
Bourque : Compas – Canadians want an election and Harper would have his majority!
People before Politics – Canadian Chamber of Commerce.
Time for forming coalition has passed, lawyer argues. – Ottawa Citizen.
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Welcome SDA Readers!! – The Globe and Mail has second thoughts.
I agree that the Liberal Party will be getting a new leader fast, especially after the polls that came out yesterday. They can’t approve the budget and they can’t vote it down without an election, I hope, and they can’t go to another election with Dion.
The Liberals have a busy time ahead.
We are now seeing a campaign to get rid of Harper – the media weave “isn’t Harper the one problem” and “Tories are livid at their leader” into their reporting.
The pundits on talk shows rail away at how they are hearing from Tories how angry they are at Harper.
And now we are getting the commenters (Marion at Dr. Roy’s) saying how embarrassed and ashamed they are of Harper and how he has to go and Jim Prentice is the man.
This will be a concerted, brainwashing type of scam and they will become more and more vitriolic in their hate for Harper.
Must mean he is doing the whole thing right!!
We need to start the counter attack on the media now and just ask “what did Harper do” and “why does he have to go”. He is the best PM this country has had for a long time.
I cannot understand the constant screeching of the MSM about PMSH. It’s almost pathological their hatred of him.
The only thing I have seen that they could really be angry with him about is that he wouldn’t suck up to them when first elected.
Maybe it’s time to remind them that there is another media outside their control called the Blogshere and people are turning to it for either biased, unbiased or psychotic news, but nobody dresses it up as the absolute truth.
You are right that the only democratic thing to do if the coalition idea doesn’t fizzle over the holidays is to allow Canadians to vote on it. Otherwise it is exactly anti-democratic.
I couldn’t believe the person I heard interviewed on the radio this morning. He was from a pro-coalition rally yesterday and was spouting something about democracy. What does overruling the country’s voting decision have to do with democracy? And the day before I heard two other ridiculous quotes on the radio that were made up of baseless generalizations. For example, one was Jack Layton saying of Harper, “He’s more concerned about keeping his job than yours”. Nice sound byte and I can imagine some people getting incensed when hearing that, without looking into if there is any basis for that comment.
You’d think by the howling that this is the first time that Parliament ever took a Christmas break.
Joanne,
“Democratic” spin masters are looking for new jobs after their victory in US so I do not think this new elections is such a hot idea.
We might be better off writing to Her Majesty asking her to replace GG and Chief Justice as these two ladies started this whole mess when they ignored Conservatives while naming Morgentaler to Order of Canada and than showed him a finger when they invested Morgentaler into Order of Canada just before last federal elections.
Here is the link showing how to contact Her Majesty: http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page249.asp
I wrote Her an email last night.
Thanks for the link Joanne! We really need to keep after the new direction being taken by the opposition and MSM, the “get rid of Harper” movement.
I support PM Harper 100%, and Conservatives need to get that message out!
I couldn’t agree more Steph, while I was listening to the head dip commenting yesterday, all I could think was “What’s his next little catch phrase going to be?”
And there it was “He’s more concerned about keeping his job than yours”.
And what came to mind, during each pause in his little speech was, “Your done Jack”.
Karol – I respectfully disagree with you. I will NOT be writing to the Queen!
Another election? Why? Because Harper failed to get the majority last time? You have the audacity to pretend to represent average voices while all the while picking their pockets of another 350 milllion? 700 million in less than a year. Is that the price of a Harper majority?
I hope he does try and foist another election on us. By next spring, the Liberals will have a new leader, a leader who can communicate in BOTH languages. The polls are red hot today but gone tomorrow. As the recession sets in and we see the first federal deficit from a PM who told us 2 months ago he would
NOT go into defecit because there was NO financial crisis. In fact, he suggested Canadians would benefit from bargian stocks!
Jack is a leader of a party with 30-odd seats who wants to become de-facto PM. We all know Jack is wearing the pants in that coalition. That is shameful, and certainly not democratic. 30-odd Seat Jack is holding the strongest line, saying Harper will be defeated no matter what. 30-odd seat Jack. The arrogance and hatred this man must be harboring inside his tiny little body is amazing.
My husband, who normally does not follow politics, is very angry at this power play by Layton. And feels, as I do, that Layton is even more dangerous than Duceppe. He’s the “Dr. Evil” of this bunch.
Anne, 300 million is worth it to stop the Coalition of Losers from spending us into the ground, bankrupting the country, and leaving probably hundreds of billions of dollars in debt for my kids and future grandkids to worry about. Democracy ain’t cheap. We will not be dictated to by the most hilarious Liberal leader ever, a man with 30-odd seats, and a freakin separatist. Never mind the huge slap in the face to the West that you have given us. Get a new leader, but good luck electing any Liberals out West. They’re done like burnt toast, honey.
Jane Taber has an interesting article in today’s Globe and Mail where she writes of Bob Rae and his campaign to get Canadians behind the coalition.
What I was surprised at was the lack of questioning about how this might further divide Canadians by stoking the fire.
Likewise, no questions about working with the government.
Or his past comments about uniting the left.
Or his baggage as Ontario NDP Premier.
Or how this affects his Liberal Party leadership bid.
Or his conclusion that minority governments should be replaced by coalitions.
Or what to do about majority governments that take power with less than fifty percent of the vote.
Or his thoughts on Canada changing to a two party American-style government.
Or his angry comment about government not being responsible to the King.
Or what Iggy thinks of this campaign.
Or whether Iggy was even consulted.
Or his obnoxious habit of making assorted noises as he talks (insert joke here).
It was all about the news that Bob Rae is angry and is taking his campaign to Canadians.
Maybe the best thing the Conservatives could do right now is to accept that Iggy will almost certainly become the next leader of the Liberal Party and start dealing with him right now to develop an economic package to be delivered in two months time.
It’s a win-win situation as the Conservatives are seen to be conciliatory and Iggy appears to be above partisan politics.
It’s also good for the country as we head into uncertain economic times.
The time to end the political hi jinks is now!
NeilD
One of the best things to come out of this whole mess,is the awareness of politics in our country…and how it has created attention in the need for EVERYONE to vote!
To relate a little story to you all if I could.I was at Physio yesterday..a fairly large center..and while doing my ‘workout’,the conversation about the potential hi-jacking of a duly elected gov’t was all the talk.Granted,I do live in a staunchly Cons.riding (Vic Toews),but what I found most interesting was this…there is a young,teen gal,that does some cleaning in the clinic.She is the typical teen,complete with multi-colored hair,some piercings,and rather ‘vacant’ but sweet.She overheard the conversation,and to my surprise,she said,”I signed a petition against that!” She told me,she had received the petition by e-mail..had actually read it,and absorbed what it was about,and said..”I just didn’t think it was right that those other people should try and get rid of the Prime Minister”
Needless to say,this gave me some real hope,it moved me beyond words.If this kid can ‘get it’ I have confidence that there are some of the next generation that will carry the torch…. even if they have red,black,and blonde hair all on one head!
Just wanted to share this,as it really warmed my heart.
we do
Harper played all his cards masterly:
1- He knew a coalition was in the works and decided to expose it and at the same time create/awake Canadians on a few of his pet projects for the not so distant future:
A- The Political party taxpayer funds: Canadians have now been polled on that and the response? 61% oppose it. Now ask yourself if the MSM would of arbitrerally done a poll on that without this “crisis”?
B- The question of Quebec and how much appetite they have in separation these days. Harper knew Charest’s Liberals were heading towards a majority. After MSM keeps fireing that there will be a Quebec backlash, Charest is still poised to get his majority on monday. Harper is furious at Quebec for having denied his own majority but more so, angry at a hand full of oppertunists: Duceppe, Parizeau, Marois and others who know Quebec is no longer going or even thinking/justifying to separate but keeps brainwashing it’s overly emotional and often illogical electorate into voting Bloc. Duceppe does it with over 3 million $’s of Fed money using a bus to go through every single town more than once in many cases and lots of french airwave time. If Quebecers were truly “dissatisfied” with Canada and Harper after the last Fed election like it would seem the result of a majority Bloc seats would attest, the Partie Quebecois should logically be the front runners and should at least win a minority on Monday.
Some will debate that Quebecers now vote Bloc for purely “Defending the interests of Quebec” at the Federal level without actually wanting independance. Without saying this is’nt true because it is, then logically and fairly, the Bloc should say loud and clear that it is no longer in pursuit of Quebec separation. Duceppe was loud and clear yesterday: “This coalition brings Quebec closer to it’s goal of souverenism”.
This is where Harper draws the line: Quebec is purely blackmailing Canada for selfish gain.
So this week the PM has awaken the citizens of this land: No more silence towards Quebec. This political correctness has gone too far. The school yard bully must get a swiff kick in the behind once and for all. You either play the game by the rules, or you become isolated. Canadians have spoken and the MSM cannot say it is only Harper. Quebecers have received the message loud and clear. Harper will continue to stir it up: Just yesterday, after meeting with the GG (BTW, a French Quebecer with ex separatist sympathies denied power to a Bloc participating coalition: Should’nt that alone propel the Partie Quebecois to at least closer to power next Monday?) Harper said loud and clear he reaches for the “two other Federalist parties to work on the budget” deliberately excluding the Bloc.
Briefly what happened this week because PM Harper is a master strategist and the opposition are only interested in power at all cost:
- The opposition has been exposed for being power mongers only and the MSM could not spin it otherwise: A big majority of citizens were clear: NO COALITION GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER.
- Quebec has been told by Canadian to smarten up. We are not going to take the threats anymore.
- The political party public funding is unnaceptable.
- Labour unions in government better thread carefully. They are not royalty. Belt thightening is for everyone in tough times. Especially so for servants of the population.
Conclusion:
-I see some floor crossing soon. Liberals to Conservative ranks. I would not be surprized (And it would be smart for him) Ignatieff moves with a Government role in the front bench.
- The coalition will die before year’s end and Rae has just kissed him wanting to coming back into politics goodbye by declaring himself the coalition “leader”.
- Jan. 26 budget will not contain massive spending like Layton and Dion wants. We will have the already tabled infrastructure dollars and a few stimulus to auto and forestry more so in the form of worker career retraining: Can’t build cars or houses nobody wants.
I suspect the political public financing to parties will be in it but with a more consilatory phase out instead of initial Apr 09 cut off.
Public labour unions will also be put on notice with maybe a bit less of a time frame for strike ban.
If an election is triggered anyway by budget defeat, The Conservatives, based on today’s standing are poised to win a majority with extra seats coming from BC, Toronto and even Montreal where Liberals will go Conservatives.
With or without Quebec, a majority is imminent.
Dion and Layton are toast.
And finally, unlike the MSM would like you to believe, Stephen Harper’s leadership and role as Conservative boss is not in danger.Like the french would say, “Au contraire”.
A column in today’s Waterloo Region Record caught my eye …
Commons is quiet but local MPs still working
Well less than 1/3 of the copy was about the headline, the rest was all about bashing Harper, he’s done, no chance now for a Majority, blah blah blah. Starting to sound familiar, folks? Read it for yourself if you wish.
http://news.therecord.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/454278
btw, the columnist is a noted Conservative hater, and did her best to throw dirt on our local candidates. Well Louisa my dear, you failed then, and you’ll fail now. In fact all four area Conservatives were elected.
My point is that here is another glaring example of what PMSH is facing. Thank God for Blogs. Thank you Joanne.
but good luck electing any Liberals out West. They’re done like burnt toast, honey.
The last time I discussed politics with my granddaughter I explained to her that any lasting government in Canada requires the support of Quebec and Ontario. When she asked why, the answer was quite simple. “Darling,” I told her, ” Ontario and Quebec are the most important provinces to any would-be majority government because they have the largest populations and therefore the largest representation in the House of Commons.”
In other words Soccermom, no seats in Alberta ( let’s be honest, Calgarians consider Calgary the “west” )for the Liberals? Oh well, we can more than compensate with growth in Quebec and reclaiming territory in Ontario. I’m sorry dear, we don’t need Alberta.
The media have been in on pin the tail on the Conservative leader from the beginning of the Reform party alliance, they are pretty much Liberals in outlook. P M Stephen Harper is a lightening rod for their bile simply because he is our leader, he will not suck up to them, from the Preston Manning days to now the media has gleefully reported anything that puts Conservatives in a negative light. Do tou remember Stephen Harper “SCARY” “HIDDEN AGENDA”. As it turns out gentel readers the scary hidden agenda is turning over this country of ours to people that just “want their share” whis is Bloc-speak for some 8 billion plus dollars a year, these are people that have a hissy fit at a 1% cut in their “arts funding” which is 10 times more than any other provience all from us the tax payer. These pampered people are the last ones you would give control of our government to. That would be scary. I want an election. I want to throw out the TRAITORS I am talking about you Jack all your M P’s and any Liberano I can find OUT! Listening to Bob Rae and company they are not outraged that Dion made a deal with the devil at the crossroads, hell no they are mad that they did not win! Just think about that for a moment, how close they came to subverting our government, to taking power, at this moment P M Stephen Harpers Conservatives are the SPARTANS!! and the barbarians are at the gate, we must support them or be dominated by a party that has proven they have absouloutly no idea what a democracy is the Lib- NDP-Bloc must be defeated. Pull the traitors funding.God Bless Canada!
Cheers Bubba
The left wants POWER, not governance.
Scott Reid and The Globe defecate on anti hate speech decorum by publishing the incendiary “Kill him. Kill him dead.”
The violence in those words is not condemned by anyone in the media!
Dosanji’s office is egged, he blames the ‘Reform’ movement his party de jour conspires with the Separatists!
Bob Rae, from his new home on ‘comfy fur’ blames the prorogue on the Reform agenda, but his party follows the Separatists like it was mating season.
The globe posts a photo of Dion, falsely claiming it to have been taken as he gave his mini cam taped speech. They also post an altered photo of Harper, pasty faced and grotesque.
CTV and CBC crap on non partisanship by pedalling Chretien’s bare knuckle mouth pieces, Peter Donolo and Allan Gregg as ‘impartial’ commentators.
Cadillac socialist Layton goes on and on about how people are losing jobs and homes and income-like the government caused it, and morons like Craig Oliver and Don Newman encourage him.
The Tor Red Star, the drooling fools, compare the prorogation to the Nazi’s burning of the Reichstag and link the event to Hitler.
School kids, brainless automatons, parrot the hideous mean spirited anti Harper garbage they hear their ‘heroes’ spit.
Marg Attwood would vote for a Separatist government while her books are published free, by Canadian tax payers.
Yeah, there’s a fight brewing here!
Total embarrassment….for Liberals and MSM.
They look like the fools who tried to kill the King, but failed.
Dippers always look like fools, so nothing new here.
btw…thank you ONTARIO !!!!
thank you, thank you!
We could not have wounded the beast without you.
”The biggest rejection of the coalition came from Alberta and Ontario, where 72% and 66% of respondents respectively said that the Conservatives should continue to govern the country.”
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=1033827
-suggestions that Charest replace PMSH are laughable.
We do not want a leader that sucks up to Quebec.
Quebec needs tough love, Duceppe needs to be put in his place,
and ONLY our favorite meanie, PMSH can do it…..
A Conservative movement is happening!
”The biggest rejection of the coalition came from Alberta and Ontario, where 72% and 66%”
Bob rae,could NEVER become PM with the NDP,so by stelth he is trying to take over the Lib party,and get his wish that way.
I’d have preferred an election to, but we’re not getting one.
The coalition will collapse by the time of the budget and it will pass. The opposition parties will topple the government when they’re doing sufficiently well in the polls, assuming that actually happens. If not, we’ll go to election as scheduled.
Harper can’t just do a, “Screw you; I’m polling well,” election right now. The country wants stability. If he tried, the Governor-General would say, in essence, “Screw you.”
On Dec 04,2008
Prime Minister Stephen Harper was honoured in New York City by the Conference Of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations which is presenting him with its first-ever International Leadership Award.
He wasn’t able to attend
I have not heard any news about this
this is a great honor for Canada
another reason to boycott products that support media
fh
If that’s true (and it’s crazy), Rae’s the man. He’ll sell a gazillion memberships to his Ontario NDP supporters among others. Ignatieff doesn’t have the same nationwide contacts in Canada and the Liberal brand isn’t polling well right now.
That would be a really stupid way of selecting their next leader. I wouldn’t put it past them. Look at their last leader.
In my eyes, the best thing to come out of this so far is that PM Harper has exposed these goons for who they really are and what they really about. I mean who are the really the ones with “the hidden agenda?”
Just because there may be a reprieve, we must not go silent. Talk, talk, talk. Keep emailing etc. Keep supporting the CPC financially.
We also need after Christmas, more rallies I think. We need to keep this up. This is our country, our democracy. Remember what our forefathers fought for.
Lest we forget.
What a contradiction!!
I checked blogs with all the info regarding support for the CPC. and then I clicked CTV.ca to hear all the Lib support and genteel analysis about what they just did to our country., and concern about the Liberal party,…blah, blah….Iggy sez this, Rae sez that….
…and the Harper bashing.
Nothing about his great press conference yesterday.Nothing about the polls.I think the press conference was much more powerful than the speech the night before.
They will never change! Yes thank God for the blogs…my concern is the people who sit and listen the the media’s spin, and don’t get the truth.
Anne…there in lies the problem. That’s why Toronto elite consider themselve the COTU.It’s backfiring on them.
Prime Minister Harper has done more to unite Canada and to ALL Quebecers as part of the Canadian fabric, not just bend to the seperatist whining.
All those results were wiped out this week, not by PMSH, but by the antagonistic arrogance of the Lib-NDP coalition using the seperatist as a wedge against the rest of Canada.
Yes Joanne..”The heart is deceitful and wicked…who can know it”
fh
link please…at least we can spread the real news thru the blogs.
I think it was either Hearle or someone on the at issue panel that brought up the membership thing for leader. I think every conservatitve should invest the money and buy a membership for LeBlanc. That would show them. And, don’t members who have had memberships for years count, only just new ones.
The media and others will mount a great campaign to get rid of PMSH, just like they got rid of Manning and every other leader with class. Don’t fall for it. I am wearing my Harper t-shirt.
Re the liberal memberships, when one buys one do you have to put a name of who you support, or is it based on who sells it to you. Another thing missed by the media is that Dion had no flag in sight on his cell phone tape.
Gabby, could you tell us if the flag is flown in Quebec. When my g/daughter was in Drummond, with the Katimavic program, there were no flags in the school she was at, and she could not buy a poppy. I got 100 flag pins from Monte Solberg and sent them to her. She and some friends discreetly put them on lots of put them on lots of backpacks etc. I should also mention she was spit on because she was from Alberta.
But, she stayed with a wonderful family, who took her to lots historical sites and served her great french meals. Their daughter has been to Alberta to visit her.
Bob Rae just stuck a fork in Dion and will now criss-cross double cross Canada with his ‘Coalition Tour, The New Reds’.
The Globe is softening the target with a story on all of Canada’s successful coups, coalitions and subversives known to modern Sci Pols.
The Globe is accusing the GG and PMSH of having some kind of deal on prorogation. It’s in the Globe!
Jesus was hated by the authorities. Why? Because he was good.
Why do the opposition want to get rid of Harper? Because they are unable to defeat him legitimately!!
We must fight the rot more than ever before it destroys this country. At this moment, the opposition is on the airways spreading lies. Is there not a book entitled “Bullshit?”
“because they have the largest populations and therefore the largest representation in the House of Commons.”
Anne, sweetie – you need to get your facts straight – you do know that Alberta and BC have now surpassed Quebec in population, don’t you? I am sure you will agree that they should be given more seats to reflect that. Thank you for your support. You might also want to get back to your grandaughter and tell her the truth.
If we do what is good for Canada,
we will prevail.
What is good for Canada right now?
No election, no coups, standing strong and together.
think CANADA FIRST!
make that the conservative battle cry.
Anne Deacon asks why another election?
Quite simply because the coalition represents not ONE vote in this country until is runs on ONE platform, with ONE leader, and ONE goal.
Currently they have none of the above.
The Liberals may have a new leader but:
1) no money
2) no renewed definition(as promised after the Dion-led fiasco of a campaign last time)
3) no support base – again the promise after the last election was to go back to the Liberal base and rebuild – so far we’re still seeing a move to take a shortcut and have a coronation.
I’ve know Harper to be a forward thinker. If this is December he’s thinking NEXT October.
I predict he’s going to do everything in his power and go to the wall for his country and then pass it off to a yet undisclosed successor(who’s likely quietly in training as we speak).
The obvious reason for the MSM spin in my opinion is that the bias left spin is part of the opposition war room strategy. They know they have them and how to use them..it’s free and unearned PR plain and simple…and the MSM and Press Gallery are only too willing to oblige to get back at Harper for knowing what many Canadians know. That is that intelligent people will see through the crap, spins, bias. At the end of the day those same bias media type have their own families and stock portfolios that will tank if the country is weakened by unstability.
The MSM’s dirty little secret of floating the left and the coalition is because they’re doing them a favour until they drum up some cash. Good luck to them for that.
I’d like to know something.
If we are to recognize the Coalition of Inflated Egos and Entitlements as one choice on the ballot, does that mean the NDP, Liberals are wiped cleann off the ballot, are they as good as gone?
“They know they have them and how to use them..it’s free and unearned PR plain and simple”
Heck – half of them are married to each other or at least are friends.
How can you be “fair and balanced” when the pillow talk is all about how horrible Harper is and when your spouse depends on winning for his paycheque.
Here’s a comment I posted at CBC The National site after last night’s At Issue panel, but cannot find it on their website. I think it echoes the media campaign that has been waged against Mr. Harper from the get-go.
Mr. Mansbridge asked the At Issue panel why here in Canada we have not been experiencing an “Obama moment” like our neighbours to the south.
Perhaps the MSM should do a bit of self-examination. In the US, the media has sold Obama to the public as a new age dawning, full of hope and promise and optimism, despite the grim reality of economic doom and gloom. Yes We Can. The media has sold both the slogan and the man, and the people have bought it.
By contrast, the message here is No he can’t.
A Conservative can’t rule Canada. No he can’t.
Harper can’t wrest the government away from the Natural Governing Party. No he can’t.
Harper can’t appeal to the average Canadian. No he can’t.
Harper won’t be able to hold on to power. No he can’t.
See the difference?
The MSM, in concert with his political adversaries, have derided and belittled our PM, his wardrobe choices ridiculed, his credibility constantly questioned, his personality traits analysed as if he were a pathological case, his loyalty to the country doubted.
A Liberal strategist has even gone so far as to write “Kill him. Kill him dead.”
And you wonder why there is such a difference between our mythically kinder gentler Canadian country and those usually aggressive ugly Americans?
You need only look in the mirror.
Sorry. When I said “I think it echoes the media campaign” what I mean is it echoes the fears of some of the commenters here: that there is a media campaign to get rid of Mr. Harper by hook or by crook.
Here is some inspiration from the Man in Black. RIP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLiTpBfpQM
You have the audacity to pretend to represent average voices while all the while picking their pockets of another 350 milllion?
Exactly whom are you addressing there, Anne?
Ann said “We don’t need Alberta”. Ann, dear, sweetie, I don’t just mean Alberta. I mean all of the West. And that attitude is exactly why we are fed up with you. Arrogance is ugly and you wear it so well, dear, sweetie. P.S. I am a British Columbian.
Okay I talked to a very nice lady at Rob Anders’ Office. She said the best way to show support for Harper is to phone his Calgary Southwest Constituency Office:
1-403-253-7990
I basically said: “I’m a sustaining donor. No way am I abandoning Harper. This media “analysis” that he should step down is extremely disturbing. A team doesn’t abandon their leader when he is under attack. They help him even more !”
Phone Harper’s office, leave a message, if you can.
Thanks Calgary Junkie for the number. This is a campaign and it is clear it has become insidious. Just like the points made the other day that the backlash was a big Tory scheme. I guess the polls shut that down as we don’t hear about it anymore.
Maybe they should do some polls asking how many want Harper to step down. Nah – they would be afraid of the answer.
I find it interesting that LPC-NDP-BLOC repeatedly let us know the Gov’t does not have the confidence of the HOC. The HOC (MP’s) are elected by their constituents (voter). According to recent media polls etc, the majority of voters do not support the coalition. That means some supporters of the LPC and NDP do not support the coalition but their voices are not being represented by their respective MP’s with exception of MP JIM Karygiannis who has been chastized by the LPC for speaking on behalf of his constituents. In a Democracy, this alone should be grounds for an election.
As a sidebar — I have been approached by two senior neighbours (mid 80’s) who did not vote during the election who have asked me to drive them to the polls should we have another election. They are both Conservative voters. This situation has revived the political passion of the ordinary folk.
And Ann, I just looked at the Our Right To Vote on the Coalition petition, and we are nearing 300,000 names. Check it out and see the fury in the comments.
Andrew Coyne last night on At Issue had it right when he said the Coalition of Losers wouldn’t have tried to pull this off if Quebec had given the Conservatives a plurality of seats. But because it was the West who voted Conservative, they thought we would just lie down and take it. Fatal mistake. Coyne wondered if they really thought this through. The arrogance of that bunch sickens me.
We lived through one NEP. Honey, it’s not gonna happen again, I can guarantee you.
Karol @ December 5th, 2008 at 9:23 am, I believe going that route, bringing in an extraneous argument that is – sorry – irrelevant to this situation doesn’t help things, IMO. Sorry to disagree.
Let’s try to focus on the main points:
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• This coalition idea is a naked grab for power.
An NDP strategist on my local talk show let the cat out of the bag by saying: “we want to take control of the government.”
• The coalition was already in the works during the election
• The argument of a majority of voters not voting Conservative remains BOGUS not matter how often it’s repeated.
This argument implies that any government that has less than an absolute majority, i.e. more than 50% of the vote is illegitimate.
IT’S BOGUS!
That means that ALL previous governments have been illegitimate. IT’S BOGUS!
• The opposition had the opportunity to bring down the government in the previous Parliament MANY times, but chose not to do so.
• The opposition had the opportunity to vote against the present Throne Speech, which is a matter of confidence I believe, but they chose not to do so.
• Only when the matter of taxpayer money being removed from their pockets did all hell break loose. That’s when the opposition decided to pounce.
• If the opposition is convinced the people support them, let the people decide. How?
We don’t even need an election, with all the silly lies.
Just have a referendum – remember I live in Quebec, so I’m used to them
Question:Who should be the government?
1. The Conservatives
2. The Liberal/NDP/Bloc/Green Coalition
We as Conservatives have to remember, you never take advice from your enemies. That would include listening to any of those idiots who want us to change leaders and pick someone like, hmmm, Joe Clark. We go back to being Conservatives like that, we might as well be frickin’ Liberals. The only conservative Liberals like is one they can pat on the head and say, “Good Boy”, a la Joke Clark.
I think it’s all of us in Ontario and East that need to really show our support for the PM. If the polls are high in Alberta for him, the MSM just laugh it off. Come on Ontario, show your support with a letter or email.
Gabby – can I ask you a question? We are hearing how Harper has destroyed national unity. We keep hearing that Quebec is angry at Harper. We hear that it has given rise to separatism.
I am wondering if it is spin? or if there is some/alot of truth to it?
I have been having a debate with a young man, Jasmin at TT’s – he is a Bloc supporter and feels that this has provided a means to separate and that Harper has disenfranchised every Quebec voter. (well obviously not you, Gabby – at least that is one!)
We do not know what to believe out here.
I am not computer hip
Government of Canada
http://news.gc.ca/web/view/en/index.jsp?articleid=426579
hope this is ok
fh
Breaking news, 3 Canadian troops reported killed in Afganistan.
God Bless them and their families.
Two issues:
Would it be possible to introduce legislation to say that Government cannot be changed except by a vote?
Otherwise this scenario can be replayed on and on. Investors elsewhere in the world need to have some confidence in the stability of our Government.
Second:
Does anyone really believe that if the “poison pill” had not been included in the economic update, this coalition would not have tried to grab power anyway?
Does anyone really believe there was anything Mr. Harper could have done to prevent this coalition from going ahead?
Breaking news, 3 Canadian troops reported killed in Afganistan.
Bec, I just heard that too.
Imagine how those families are feeling right now; waiting to hear if it was their son or daughter killed.
And here is the rest of the country squabbling about who’s going to be PM. Pathetic.
Joanne – please give Gabby’s talking points a spot of their own on your blog…we can add to them and it would be easier for visitors to find.
Anne Deacon @ 10:19. “I’m sorry dear, we don’t need Alberta.”
Alberta is not the only province in Western Canada and if one of our Western partners is threatened (ie Alberta) the rest of us will come to its aid. Western Canadians have been tolerant but we will not let another NEP blindside our economy.
easy way
google international leadership award
fh
For MaryT re: Canadian flags.
Don’t forget that we Canadians do not tend to fly our flag as prominently as Americans, in front of their houses, for example.
Here in Quebec even less so.
Flags come out for special occasions (Canada Day).
They are flown over federal buildings and even some businesses.
Poppies are sold, but more in certain areas than in others. I cannot speak for the rest of the province, I can only say for Montreal.
Hi Joanne Check this out.
In defence of Harper
John Williamson, National Post
Published: Friday, December 05, 2008
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html
overheard on radio Victoria BC
NDP supporters not happy that Jack Layton he has failed to get a significant Financial
portfolio particularly Finance Minister for Jack Layton and he failed to get 50 million tax roll back from big companies
so if Jack didn’t get what he wanted but is still pushing ahead there will be all h***
to pay at some point he is desperate for power
fh
http://thesecretsofvancouver.com/wordpress/dont-forget-the-boys/activists
Please take the time to send a message, if you haven’t already
I know this is not off topic for any of us.
To think 2 members of the coalition, do not support their courage is abysmal.
Alberta Girl, Did you hear David Rutherford this morning, his guest via phone is a freelance reporter from Vancour Kingsway. She, who is a grit is totally disgusted with the liberal party a party once respected is not recognizable anymore. She respects the prime minister.
I did Jen – I also sent Luisa (the reporter from The Record – link above) an email about the continual Harper has to go we are hearing from the media. I did get a response from her – her excuse was that she put the pro Harper stuff at the beginning of the article where most people read. I have sent her back a response to the effect that the media need to start having some balance in their reporting instead of the anti Harper crowd getting to have their say.
I did however appreciate her getting back to me and asking me for a response – that is more than most of them do.
I am reading well thought out posts to help the country fight this coalition. I am disgusted with MSM. Will not even watched CTV now.
I have to get ready for Christmas now but plan to be at Rally tomorrow. These blogs are addicting!!!
Reid put up a new post based on AG’s earlier comment here.
AG, do you have her email. I agree with you, this nonsense of one sided reporting from the MSM is not healthy for the public. Constant Gloom and Doom reporting is bad for your health and sanity.
CTV CBC’s is not letting up; they are persisting to help the undemocratic agenda of the coalition/separation achieve their goal. The MSM is poison. How in the hell can the MSM look into the camera to tell canadians that their votes during this election don’t count- this is the message I am getting. WE, DEMOCRACY AND OUR VOTES APPARENTLY DON’T COUNT. We must fight for our Democracy/CANADA
Another poll to contemplate from Compass. http://www.bourque.org/notes.html
I just happened over to NNW and see the story “Executives pan Harper’s plan as lacking punch” by the Globe and Mail. On reading it – seems only 45% felt it lacked punch yet 80% felt he was on the right track.
I left the following comment.
“So your headline leads one to believe that the majority were against it. Then when you read further – 45% – that means 55% were for it. Given that the recent Ottawa three touted the percentages as being the reason for their planned takeover – I would say that 55% is a majority.
Why could you not have said -
Majority of Executives feel PM on Right Track.
That would have been a truer statement of what the story was about.
The continual negative slant put on stories is getting tiresome. ”
Jen – the email address is LDAmato@therecord.com
For Alberta Girl: please remember I speak for myself, from my own observations, having lived here in Quebec for quite a number of years. I am not any more astute or wiser than anyone else, and most of my friends and family hate to talk politics (Ruth, you’re not alone!), so I don’t get feedback from them. My POV is not necessarily the one and only “answer.”
Quebec has been see-sawing between separation and NOT for years, and that will continue no matter what, or until a new very young generation of kids is brainwashed into thinking that it would be better for Quebec to become a country.
But consider this: the young, just like oldies like me, have access to a world of different ideas because of the internet, they have new sources of information. So will they go the separation route eventually? I doubt I’ll see it in my lifetime. And if it does, well, let’s make it an amicable split. People who are unhappy with that kind of decision can go to the RoC.
*Please remember I am not advocating the separatist option.*
Have the flames of separatism been fanned – AGAIN – for the umpteenth time? Yes, but it began even before this “crisis.”
Then Sen. Fortier used a very unwise campaign to run against the Bloc during the election:
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/features/decisioncanada/story.html?id=e94bf6a7-fbec-4ea4-ba74-dc3f39fd4088
“Duceppe fights back after Tories paint Bloc as do-nothing party
Published: Sunday, September 21, 2008
MONTREAL – Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe counterattacked Sunday against a Conservative bid to paint the Bloc as a do-nothing opposition, blasting Conservative Michael Fortier for accusing his party of wasting time and money in Ottawa.
Fortier, the Conservative candidate in Vaudreuil-Soulanges, launched a public campaign Sunday claiming Bloc MPs have cost Quebecers $350 million in its 18 years, saying that represents 6,000 days in opposition, 1,037 unkept promises and only four bills adopted out of 255 tabled. …”
I believe that move reinvigorated Duceppe and the Bloc, who had been leading an aimless campaign.
Whenever a Quebec Conservative backbencher stood up in the House prior to the election making a similar kind of statement, I always cringed, thinking to myself “you’re going to light a fire under them.” I should have become the proverbial Cassandra, warning them with emails of unintended consequences, but I figured they have strategists, I am not one.
Now, with this “crisis” even some of the English talk shows are misrepresenting (perhaps not wilfully) what the PM said while answering questions after his visit to the GG.
They claim he tried to isolate the Bloc by saying one thing in English and one thing in French, to wit (I am paraphrasing. I wish I had a transcript, because the PM is OFTEN misquoted):
In French the PM said something to the effect that there are FOUR parties in the House that have to try to work together to come up with a good economic stimulus plan.
In English he said there are THREE NATIONAL parties that have to consider the entire country as a whole.
Some pundits are spinning that as “isolating the Bloc and Quebec.” But they forget those essential words – THREE NATIONAL parties that have to look out for the interests of the entire country, including Quebec, with its Conservative, Liberal and lone NDP MPs.
Duceppe always says he’s looking out solely for the interests of Quebec, and he’s entitled to that POV – he has been duly elected.
My take: the PM is very much opposed to the coalition precisely because this formal arrangement would give Duceppe, whose sole interest is Quebec, sway or power over decisions affecting the RoC.
Where major mistakes have been made is in the kind of language used, such as “treason” “sedition” “vendu” etc.
I don’t care how strongly one feels about a cause, one must remember:
don’t play dirty, and think of public perception. That is why I advised caution here in other threads, because public opinion, especially uninformed public opinion, can turn on a dime.
I’m sorry – I’ve always said I chose my moniker well – gab, gab, gab …
My thoughts on comments re getting rid of the PM. Opposition/Coalition fear going to the polls/people in an election because they know they do not have the support of the majority of Canadians. The Opposition fear that if an election were held and the PM gets his majority; that the Conservative Gov’t, under the leadership of PMSH, would be in goverance for the long haul; therefore, the Opposition is trying to ‘get rid of the PM’ before he gets his majority hold on Gov’t.
AG, that torquing of the headline by the Globe is awful!! I wish I had more time or I’d do a whole new post on that.
I wonder if any other blogger could pick it up. This is getting bad.
Thanks Gabby for your views. It is unfortunate that the media tend to focus on everything the Tories say as divisive all the while ignoring what the other three say that is just as divisive.
I do understand where you are coming from – it is too bad that feelings in Quebec are hurt so easily (maybe you can expand on why that is).
Thanks again Gabby.
Here’s an interesting tidbit from the Star article about how Libs are shaken.
“The grainy video was taped by one of Dion’s closest aides, Mick Gzowski, son of late CBC icon Peter Gzowski, The Canadian Press reports. Insiders say it was recorded with a digital camera and an auto-focus button on the camera was broken, stuck in the locked position. As a result, the focus was on a bookcase behind Dion, rather than on the Liberal leader himself, leaving his face slightly fuzzy.”
OK – this is a national party – well three parties actually – they knew they were going to do a response. Does the Liberal Party of Canada not have anyone – hell even call in your media friends – with a camera other than a broken digital camera.
Yikes – I guess I can see why they wanted to take over the government without an election!
I think tht someone should shove this quote in Jack Layton’s face.
“The great thing about … our democracy is it’s not up to political science professors to pick the prime minister; it’s up to Canadians to pick the prime minister,” said NDP communication director Brad Legine.
I got it here http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17260 , but apparently he was quoted in a G&M story in early October, DURING, the election. And they have the nerve to cal PM Harper a liar.
Sorry it is Brad Levine. I copied and pasted compete with the typo. My Bad
Scott Reid’s ‘kill him’ complete text
November 29, 2008 at 5:00 PM EST
First things first: take him out.
After all, Stephen Harper is the most dangerous animal lurking in the jungles of Parliament. He is a threat to the future viability of the Liberals. A blood simple opponent of the NDP and the only serious contemporary challenge to the Bloc Quebecois. Without him, his party is an unlikely combination of Reform Party leftovers, Harris refugees and Red Tory desperates. They don’t matter or even exist without Mr. Harper. So before you think a moment longer, opposition leaders, think on that.
And if that’s not compelling enough, remember: He doesn’t play to win. He plays to conquer. Under his guidance, the public interest is always subjugated to his personal political advancement. And he poisons Parliament with an extreme, bare-fanged breed of partisanship that has no hope of repair until he is banished.
This becomes relevant because suddenly, he is weak. In fact, at this particular moment, he is almost unable to defend himself. Owing to a ridiculously ill-considered act of hubris, he has laid himself vulnerable to his opponents. Their imperative could not be more clear: kill him. Kill him dead. Do not, whatever you do, provide him with an opportunity to extend his hold on power. Because you can be damn certain he will never again be so reckless as to give you a chance to finish him off.
Fate tends to be grudging with gifts of this significance. To ignore it would be an error every bit as historic as the one Mr. Harper himself has made.
So don’t get fancy. Don’t get confused. And don’t get weak in the knees. If you don’t put Mr. Harper in his grave, he’ll put you in yours.
The next question is how. Nothing should be taken for granted. The guy has bought himself a week. And he’ll use it to his advantage. He’ll spend money, time and every ounce of energy to make it difficult on the Opposition.
Already, he’s abandoning the liability of his own electoral financing proposals. He’ll further correct his mistakes by having Jim Flaherty tease out talk of stimulus. He’ll attack the legitimacy of an unelected “Prime Minister Dion.” He’ll turn the Liberal caucus loose on itself. And he will have success in rallying public opinion to his side.
Here’s why: Already, the debate has shifted from the illegitimacy of what Mr. Harper has done to the illegitimacy of what comes next
Sol December 5th, 2008 at 12:32 pm said:
“Joanne – please give Gabby’s talking points a spot of their own on your blog…we can add to them and it would be easier for visitors to find.”
Thank you Sol, but perhaps this site would be far more convincing than my meanderings:
http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2008/11/historical-summary-of-canadian.html
” … please look back at the popular votes of every government where there have been at least 3 [significant] parties. It’s how our system works and is basic math. So just cut it out …”
I think what this entire situation has proved is that there should be better civics courses in every single school in this country, because people can be so easily misled by those who yell the loudest and longest.
If Layton’s still supporting the Coalition of Inflated Egos and Entitlements and is letting his tossing his parties positions/policies in order to get the position of deputy PM that he can’t earn on his own…there’s only one word for it, well, two words actually.
1) he’s sold out his party faithful
and
2) he’s personally prostituted himself and his career for a position he could never hope to win from Canadians.
Gabby/Joanne – the thinking behind my request for the talking points to be an option somewhere on the blog is that it would be much harder for the trolls who we know are visiting to find….but those truly interested in using the resources can do so.
” … it is too bad that feelings in Quebec are hurt so easily (maybe you can expand on why that is)”
Alberta Girl, let’s remember that some Canadians have had similar feelings of insecurity in the past living next to the powerful USA, with the strength of its economy and its culture. Those feelings towards the US may have been defused recently because the Americans have lost so much prestige during Bush’s terms, but it will probably rise again.
The same kind of insecurity against US hegemony has been felt in other countries around the world.
Likewise, Quebecers feel that their culture is swimming in a sea of North American English culture, be it American or RoC, and feel threatened by it. They have an emotional attachment to their roots, their language, and their culture. I can understand that.
Personally, as neither an anglo nor a franco, I believe the Fathers of Confederation perhaps made a mistake in putting education under provincial jurisdiction.
IMO, the teaching of a NATIONAL narrative, while still allowing for regional differences and validation (I hate the Oprah word, but I can’t think of a better one) would help enhance NATIONAL unity, and I would – now I may have to duck – also ensure BOTH official languages are taught from grade 1, so that all Canadians would be fully bilingual and hopefully truly understand one another.
” … the thinking behind my request for the talking points to be an option somewhere on the blog is that it would be much harder for the trolls who we know are visiting to find …”
It’s Joanne’s decision.
But, here’s another suggestion. Create a document on your own computer about information you want to keep handy, copy the web address at the top of this page with a short reminder why you need it, so that you are able to refer to it whenever you want to use it.
I don’t know if simply bookmarking this page would do it.
Techies? Any answers?
Gabby – I know you don’t mean to but give me some credit for having brains please. I’ve already stockpiled all of what I need, but remember we’re not talking about a small individual effort here. I thought, (and please correct me if I’m wrong) that this effort to supply resources to those who otherwise don’t follow politics and would like to compile a letter, call an MP, or just engage with us here to have the best information at their fingertips.
What better place to house those than on the blog.
Of course I know it’s Joanne’s decision. Actually, if all bloggers aren’t outfitting their blogs with similar stuff I’d be surprised.
The mosaic and discussion here represents a mini-community represented by many parts of this province.
I applaud Joanne’s efforts, and I know from my own experience advocacy is a full time job…blogging, good blogging requires nothing less. If we can’t respect each other’s point of view and that each and every one of us has something of value to share(yes, even the trolls teach us things) then there’s no hope for us, or for the country to come out of this unscathed and sustained.
I’ll be taking a cue from Sandy and taking this weekend off. Time to regroup, rethink and do it away from the computer to get some objectivity back.
Okay, let’s do some Opposition math, assuming all
the players get sorted out as they should:
Bloc-Iggy is about 55 MPs
Bloc-Rae is about 22 MPs
NDP is, what, 38
Sooooooooo, Bloc-Rae + NDP = 60
Layton is Opps leader, one step closer to PM.
btw, does the Coalition of the Dwindling have a website yet ? What about a logo ?
And with red, orange, green, light blue already taken, the only team color left for them is yellow !
And 53% in English Canada would vote Conservative. The Liberals have done themselves in. I agree, let’s have an election.
This is probably why Bob Rae has gone off on his cross-country “Farewell Tour” …
http://www.wernerpatels.com/2008/12/how-the-rae-sto.html
Time to regroup, rethink and do it away from the computer to get some objectivity back.
Sol, I think we all could use a time out. This past week has been hard on everyone’s nerves. (At least for those following politics.)
As to the idea of Gabby’s Talking Points, I think that would be a wonderful name for a blog!
I personally think the only qualiy candidate to lead the Liberals and therefore he only threat to a Harper majority is Ignaieff.
Therefore all Tories should work their asses off for Rae.
Easy to say but I don’t think I can hold my nose long enough. Truth is he is a slimebag. Heard him say that the GG’s action was “not what we Canadians have fought for”. Someone who has never fought for Canada nor whose Father has nor his grandfather has should shut up about those who did.
The slimebag is on CTV right now.
Actually Sol, this blog, although it does belong to Jonanne (Thank You!)represents a mini community that is representative of many parts of this country. I for example read regularly, post periodically and live in Manitoba. Gabby likewise lives in Quebec.
I am sure there are many others from across this country that read and/or post here. But I agree with you that a list of resources you are proposing would be useful.
For myself, I have a number of sites I visit and read regularly and this is one of them.
On a side note for anyone not following, or seen this petition yet
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?CANADIAN&1
At this time it is inching closer to 300,000 and is now at 292586.
on a lighter tone
just thinking out loud nothing serious
instead of the other provinces being upset that the Bloc is representative of QUEBEC
Ontario should establish an ONTARIO
party and run candidates
British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba, Newfoundland etc … you get my drift if all the provinces all had their own little parties and they all stated we will not approve legislation or budgets unless it is good for my Province and at any time we may threaten to separate from Canada
not meaning to be offensive but it helps me with why I don’t want the Canadian Federal Government stacked by one Province this does not mean I am against Quebec
no response required
fh
Liberals and their minions in the media think they can steam roll over anyone they wish and how dare we disagree with anything they do. Even in their current disarray they feel they can offer themselves up to run the country. All they have to offer up is rude and crass criticism of the very smart and decent man we have doing a great job as PM.
Growing numbers of people all across the country are about to spell it out to them until they get it.
The GG’s decision may not be to the liking of the scabs in the Coalition but it is to the liking of the Canadian people and THAT’S WHAT OUR FOREFATHERS FOUGHT FOR. They didn’t fight to snuggle up with a movement whose reason for being is the break up of the country.
Liberals and Dippers have no clue what the people want,we have to tell them.
Rally on everyone, we must show them who is boss.
p.s. – so if the Liberals are broke who’s funding Bob Rae’s cross-Canada tour? The NDP? Bloc? Watch this tour carefully kids.
I’m beginning to think that Howie Hampton’s caution to Layton is coming true. Rae’s going to obliterate the Liberal brand and mash it further left than it already is.
bye
PS – right! I meant to say mini-community representing many parts of the country…not province.
Rob Rae has a vendetta out for Harper. I can’t believe his hatred of the PM. It make Stephan Harper look pretty nice and mild-mannered by comparison.
Get out those Blue Cozy Sweaters…now I’ve really got to go my better half is trying hard to get me out the door for our dinner date…w…..yikes! Ok, I’m coming…I’m coming.
GET THIS, Ignatieff has just said on MDL that Mr Harper has DIVIDED the Liberal Party!!
Talk about arrogant STUPIDITY and he wants the top job?
Iggy is also saying that THE VOTER SHOULD BE RESPECTED!!!
I have a question that I haven’t seen answered anywhere.
Lets say, the house votes down the govt after the budget. What happens? Can the PM call an election or does the GG AUTOMATICALLY ask the opposition if they can form a govt?
Looks like they are going to pop Iggy, into leadership. (speculation) As usual, putting down PMSH. What an A$$!
I am yelling at the TV at that obnoxious, arrogant Ignatiaff.
I cannot believe that they still think this coalition can actually go on…..do they not see the polls.
Lets say, the house votes down the govt after the budget. What happens? Can the PM call an election or does the GG AUTOMATICALLY ask the opposition if they can form a govt?
Bec, I think the GG would normally ask the opposition if they could form a government since it has been such a short time since the last one.
Yes, that is what I am fearing; that Iggy would become a PM without having to face the electorate.
That’s why we need to keep the pressure on for the Coaliton to face the voters if the government falls. (i.e. Ask the GG to allow an election.)
Do any of these people look at polls?
Given those new poll numbers – I would suggest they should maybe have a peek at them. I know they are going to change, but have them bring a coalition back after the budget and they will be back up there.
“Iggy is also saying that THE VOTER SHOULD BE RESPECTED!!!”
Apparently even Ignatiff subcribes to the do as I say, not as I do political rhetoric. How can Ignatiff profess to respect the voter but not respect the voter’s right to choose?
Don’t get excited about the likes of Jimmy Karigianis(sp) not supporting the coalition, he’s not supporting it with Dion at the head. If their God and Saviour Iggy Poo hider were leading it or maybe even buffalo bob Rae, he’d be fine with it. That’s what i took from his appearance on Duffy. Duffy is a fan of Jimmy’s apparently.
Also on Duffy, Craig Oliver sure let ‘er rip on the state of the Liberal party and it was all true.
The main problem with the Liberals is the fact they’re in such a freaking mess and still want to run the country. They’re not fit and will not be fit for some time after they anoint a new leader.
We will bring that message home to them, the people are more mobilized against these power grabbing fools than ever in our history.
BTW, the three of our guys killed in Afghanistan were all from Base Petawawa and our Prime Minister happened to be on the base today and gave his condolences from there.
BTW, the three of our guys killed in Afghanistan were all from Base Petawawa and our Prime Minister happened to be on the base today and gave his condolences from there.
Yes, thank you for reminding us about the huge sacrifices our soldiers and their families are making for Afghanistan and Canada, Liz.
What about getting everybody singing at the rallies?? I think it would be effective. Unifying songs, for example. Someone posted Johnny Cash’s “I won’t back down.” How about “I’m not going to take it anymore.” Or ” We shall overcome.” Just imagine everyone singing in unison on Parliament Hill tomorrow!! Really stir the passions on a cold day!! Just an idea.
I’m a strong Conservative supporter but I want an election that has only one Coalition candidate per riding facing each Conservative opponent. I concede that such a move would heighten the chances of the Coalition by eliminating vote splitting. So why do I want this? Because it’s long overdue to get resolved the most important question in our country: “Which direction do we want to head?”
Those on the far right have been sure. Those of us on the moderate right have been sure. But everyone left of that has been in LaLaLand about what they want. The only thing they think they’re sure of is that Stephen Harper is an “evil maniac”. And why do they think this? Because they’ve had a beer with him and saw horns growing out of the top of his head? No, it’s because this is the image that the mainstream media has provided to them, day after day, month after month, year after year.
So decision time is near. Not for us on the right. It’s clear how we’ll vote. Rather, it’s time for those on the left to put their money, their livelihoods, and the future of their children on the line and decide whether they REALLY feel that a government run by liberals, socialists, and separatists is in their best interest.