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They may be redder than you think

Last night a loyal reader emailed me about an interesting comment that Mike Duffy made on his ‘Prime’ show last night at 8.  Fortunately I had recorded the show so I reviewed it this morning.

What was Duff trying to tell us when he was discussing the Scotiabank announcement that they are forecasting a recession for Canada?

"Well, I find it amazing that a week to go before the election, they feel it important to put this out at this time, and when one considers the political leanings of some of the people at the top levels of that bank, I wonder if it wasn’t done on purpose to help Liberals scare some of that NDP vote back to the Liberals. .."

(Transcript from my own notes, therefore I may have a word or two out of place.)

We already know that a high-ranking ‘expert’ from another bank, who often appears on MDL has endorsed Dion’s Carbon Tax.

Are there any Canadian banks out there without Liberal leanings?

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And on a totally unrelated note : Sun Life sells stake in CI to ScotiaFinancial Post.

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49 Comments

  1. wilson says:

    Platform release in 5 minutes (schedualed for 10:15)

  2. All the Liberal support is doing all it can to be in the news. I hope those who were firm in their vote … voted at the advance polls already and do not have to be influenced into changing their minds.
    Paul Martin really working against himself eh…on the one hand he swears he is out there to get Mr. Dion in as Prime Minister…yet….somehow his book has been busted loose and parts published. You see the liberals are factions. No two people meet in the middle and agree. Much muddy water still flowing through the liberal rivers. It is still the same as we thought it was….the liberals will do anything to get back into power and have made sure they get everyone out in the public. This party is not what it is showing itself to be in front of the cameras today and any day of the campaign. Watch them fall right back into their own habits if they ever got back into the power they crave. They need money. Now…how do you think they will get it.
    The very fact that the media has not been all over this plagiarism moment or moments of Dion is ample proof of their editors telling them to back off and get harper…at all costs.
    Same Same…now on to the PMSH platform release….
    Watch everyone race to the available mics to “put it down” …script probably already in hand…What a way to live.
    I am sticking with Stephen Harper today, tomorrow and in the future.

  3. Joanne says:

    Wilson, thanks. The PM is on right now.

  4. Fay says:

    Suprise , suprise, The MSM do not think stephen Harper came across as caring. Who will care about ordinary Canadians when we are floundering under an added carbon tax. It sure won’t be the MSM. I am sure the message will be that it is patriotic to pay carbon taxes.

  5. Alberta Girl says:

    “I am sure the message will be that it is patriotic to pay carbon taxes.”

    The Libs have lined up 230 “economists” that say it is a good things to pay a carbon tax in these economic times AND they have lined up a multitude of environmentalists that say we should be saving the environment.

    That coupled with Liz May’s “throwing the election” will ensure the Libs win this thing.

    I have no more hope. This is a done deal.

  6. Joanne says:

    Never. Give. Up.

  7. BlueSweaterBrigade says:

    this is NOT a done deal folks not by a longshot!

  8. More proof that the MSM is very much in the Liberal’s pockets. All morning all I have seen on the newscasts is Dion…and right after PMSH speech…would you believe it…they went straight to dion again…and regurgitated his speel of hours ago….

    Alberta Girl…do not believe their hype. The Liberals are broke. They are the guys who give patronage appointments. The scientists want funding and appointments… never ever believe that a tax is the best thing for a country…

    This is politics and it is lib and media last gasps… Hang in there Alberta Girl….we have the best Prime Minister on the job right now and comparing Dion images and his… no comparison..

    I also believe there are a lot of “closet” voters out there who do not want to reveal their support…

    believe !!!

  9. Joanne says:

    …This is politics and it is lib and media last gasps… Hang in there Alberta Girl….we have the best Prime Minister on the job right now and comparing Dion images and his… no comparison..

    I also believe there are a lot of “closet” voters out there who do not want to reveal their support…

    believe !!!

    Well said, CR! Margaret Wente said something to that effect about Toronto voters. They don’t think it’s ‘cool’ to say they’re conservative, but things could change in the ballot box.

    A few prayers wouldn’t hurt either.

  10. annie says:

    Or.. they could be like me ‘n hubby who lie through our teeth to pollsters :d

  11. old white guy says:

    i have quite a bit of cash on deposit with bns. those bastards better not be trying to influnce an election.

  12. paulsstuff says:

    Joanne, another comment nobody picked up on was from Roger Smith on CTV Sunday. He was talking about the polls and mentioned that the Liberal’s were told by the polling companies they would get better results after the debates.

    How is it non-partisan polling companies can decide on the publics perception of the debates?

  13. Joanne says:

    the Liberal’s were told by the polling companies they would get better results after the debates.

    That needs to be investigated.

  14. frmgrl says:

    the Liberal’s were told by the polling companies they would get better results after the debates.

    That needs to be investigated.

    If this is true that’s real manipulation and influence. That’s wrong.
    Makes a person wonder if we live in true democracy anymore. It’s sounding more and more like Zimbabwa.

  15. frmgrl says:

    paulsstuff, maybe you better get Steve Janke or someone on this right away.

  16. paulsstuff says:

    I have to study for an important exam most of the evening. Hopefully Janke or someone has access to the video footage with Smith talking and could investigate.

  17. bluetech says:

    Well I must join this media bash…just to relieve tension. Had a lot of ‘running around’ to do today, so if I was in the car on the hour I listened to the CBC radio. They focused ONLY on Layton and Dion and their REACTIONS to the platform.
    Nothing about PMSH and the CPC platform while I listened,except the bashing.
    I’m tired of it. Can you imagine how the candidates and PMSH feel?
    There is still time to do whatever you can…even if it a phone call to the candidates to encourage them and tell them how you feel about MSM in general and CBC in particular.
    Good catch on the Duffy’s hint Joanne… :)
    Does anyone have the names from the banks and their connections to the Libs?

  18. Gayle says:

    You people and your conspiracy theories.

    It probably never occured to you that so many economists support a carbon tax because a carbon tax is economically sound. Are you suggesting Sweden and Denmark are biased for the liberals too?

    As for the pollsters, again, take a breath. Perhaps they were referring to the fact that, until the debates, most Canadians only saw Dion through the filter constructed by the CPC and the media. That filter was removed during the debates. Let’s face it, he never had to be outstanding – just better than how the CPC portrayed him. You can blame the war room for that one.

  19. Bruce says:

    Gayle, on October 15th begins the fight for the leadership of the LPC, if they can all manage to pay off their debts from the last time.

    Duffy should ask Dion how his debt repayment is going. Heh.

    On Denmark and Sweden, dah. Socialist is as socialist does.

  20. Gayle says:

    Umm, what?

    Do you have anything to say about the topic of the post?

  21. MaryT says:

    Did I miss it or was lizzie not called upon to give her take on PMSH’s speech today.
    In a way it would serve the media and liberals and leftists right if dion got a minority. Iggy and Rae could not get rid of him, the economy would tank, those promises would not be kept, the throne speech would not pass, committees would investigate ADSCAM and the SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL, maybe look into where all the gun registry money when and to who, more US companies would leave Canada and take the jobs with them. Those economists from universities etc would not get their research grants, and when all those media talking heads are put in the senate, maybe then canadians would wake up and see why they are in the tank for dion.
    The whole mess reminds me of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

  22. Joanne says:

    In a way it would serve the media and liberals and leftists right if dion got a minority. Iggy and Rae could not get rid of him, the economy would tank, those promises would not be kept…

    Mary T, I’m starting to think that way too. And the west would likely separate, so Dion would have to deal with that mess too.

    Let him become PM and then after they totally ruin the country, the Conservatives will get their majority!

  23. Gayle says:

    Oh, stop with the western separatism thing. It is not going to happen. You need to understand that just because a few people who post here make that threat, it does not mean it has any legs. It is simply not a topic the majority of Albertans ever even discuss.

    That said, I have already gone on record to say I prefer Harper win a minority and wear this recession, so I kind of know where you are coming from when you say you may want Dion to win.

  24. Alberta Girl says:

    “Oh, stop with the western separatism thing. It is not going to happen. You need to understand that just because a few people who post here make that threat, it does not mean it has any legs. It is simply not a topic the majority of Albertans ever even discuss.”

    Maybe not in your “university neighborhood full of academics” but I can assure you Gayle, it is simmering just under the radar in a great many towns and cities in Alberta.

    Not that I am plagerizing PET – but it would be “just watch us”.

  25. Pat says:

    Don’t for a moment think that Western Separation is not alive and well Gayle! All somebody has to do is bring it up in a group of Westerners and just watch it grow, it even amazes me, the intensity of the discussions, and from the most unlikely people too.

  26. Pat says:

    Now, for something on topic. There was something that didn’t seem quite Kosher when Dion was quoting the head of the Scotia bank. Something about how he said it, made me do a double take. Steeet speak for he’s lying.

    The old Duff just might be onto something.

  27. Bubba brown says:

    Tuned into CTV about 3 p m West coast Qualicum Stephen Harper was speaking, explaining his Platform, really his ongoing policies, he spoke for maybe 30 or 40 seconds and then the station had the sound muted and had Lizzy Mae on speaker from Bum-crack Nova Scotia telling everybody why the Conservative platform sucked! Stephen Harper was “on camera” speaking “live” but all you could hear was the “78 R P M ” whine from “Lizzie” I was amazed that the BIAS was so blatant I shut the t v down after listening to that no- nothing commie screeching her patented “articulate ramblings” for about 4 minutes. I had hoped to listen to the “economist” instead I got the Communist” shame on you C. T. V. I will never waste my time watching you again. Vote Conservative!!

  28. NeilD says:

    As a Quebecer who lived for fifteen years in Alberta I can seriously say that separatism does indeed exist in Alberta. It took me at least ten years to be accepted as a trans-planted Eastern Canadian and even then there were born and bred Albertans who had reservations.
    My old boss was the barometer, he was also my next door neighbour, and he eventually came to refer to me as an Albertan. It was actually a very special moment for me.
    This was during the height of the Trudeau era and the NEP.
    By the way, my wife and I lost thousands of dollars during that time and have been anti-Liberal ever since.
    There was a rumbling of discontent across the province and the whole of western Canada and the Reform Party was born of that very discontent.
    When Harper spoke recently of how Dion’s Green Plan would stoke the fires of separatism I understoood immediately that he was talking about Alberta separatism, and I still think that, but when Dion feigned outrage the media focused entirely on him, and his Clarity Act, and Alberta (or, by now, Western) separatism was totally ignored.
    As for myself, I still consider myself an Albertan and I lay claim to this title because I lived there for fifteen years, met my wife there, had three children there, have sisters living there (not to mention numerous nieces, nephews and grand whatevers) and an untold number of friends.
    NeilD

  29. Gayle says:

    AG – I hate to break it to you, but:

    a) people who live near the university are also Albertans,
    b) I come from the finest working class stock there is in this province. We have rural farming roots, “self-made man” roots, and we are spread all over this province, and
    c) I actually talk to my family – often – and, being from Alberta, I have many friends and colleagues who both vote conservative and do not live near a university.

    I can quite confidently say western separtism is not a burning issue with the majority of Albertans. The reason I can say that is found in Neil’s post.

    During the height of the post-NEP backlash in this province, we produced a grand total of one separtist party, which elected a grand total of one MLA, for a grand total of one term of government. If that is the best that could be accomplished, in what was arguably the time of the greatest federal government backlash in our history, then I really doubt a carbon tax is going to send people running for the door – especially when they figure out Harper has just been fear mongering.

    Like Neil, my father lost money. Unlike Neil, my father lost not just thousands, he lost almost everything. We barely hung on to our house, but his business, which he started from scratch, was gone. He took a day job and a night job to support us. So do not presume to preach to me about the effects of the 1980’s recession.

    By the way, my father also blamed Trudeau. He’s past that now, and will be voting Liberal next week.

  30. Peter says:

    I too am a Westerner, lived most of my life in Alberta and now live on Vancouver Island. I can tell you that Western Separatism is very much alive and well. All that’s needed to push it over the edge is a Liberal victory and another NEP style attack on the west and Alberta in particular. This time it will also affect Saskatchewan and natural gas from BC. The Republic of Western Canada will be a very easy thing to sell when the Libs come calling to steal from us to give to their buddies in Ontario and Quebec. If after a minority PMSH government the folks out east still believe the BS about hidden agenda, Western Redneck knuckledraggers (CTV’s Fife) then they can shove it where the sun don’t shine. Because what they really NEED to get in their heads is just how much they east needs the west to survive. Take away the oilsands and watch Ontario manufacturing REALLY take a dive. Can anyone say “The Republic of Western Canada”? Has a nice ring to it…

  31. Peter says:

    By the way Gayle. I agree with you about the first NEP but I hope you understand and that your father remembers that at that time the rallying cry was “the West wants In”. If we are rejected a second time (I think it may even be a third time) and stolen from again, things will be very different. Also, your comments strike me as being very condescendingly Liberal. Kinda along the lines of pooh poohing the little children when they throw a tantrum, how very Liberal of you.

    This is the kind of aloofness that comes with knowing that the only votes that count are in Ontario and Quebec.

  32. Hunter says:

    Why is Quebec separation a given, but when Albertans mention it we are disregarded. At our summer neighbourhood party in Edmonton, the subject came up, and all 30 people there would prefer to separate than stay in a Dion NEPII Canada. It is a serious matter, not to be pooh, poohed like Gayle (she makes me think of NDP Linda Duncan?) wants you to think.

    It simmers, like our oil, hot and hidden just below the surface, but when that well blows, only separation will cap it. The only thing preventing it right now, is Stephen Harper.

  33. Bubba brown says:

    Gayle, we have had about enough of the “blatant bias” of the Media, I could not even hear the Prime Minister speak today because somebody at C T V decided the mindless ramblings of that green commie lizzy Mae were more important. What a joke she is. I agree with you Peter maybe it is time to stand up and tell it like we see it, and yes “the Republic of Western Canada” sounds good to me I think “Mon Uncle Louis” was right.

  34. westerngirl says:

    I’m from Saskatchewan and I’ll be one of the first to jump on the separation band wagon! I am sick to death of being treated as “unimportant”. If the Liberals get in, I expect there will be a huge backlash…just you wait and see!

    As for this election, it has frustrated me like no other. I cannot believe we can call this a democracy when people are “dictating” to voters as to who NOT to vote for, with no consideration as to who would be right for the job. It’s been a vendetta against PMSH and his team right from the start. The media literally makes me sick. I can hardly watch the news casts anymore, knowing just how one sided they really are.

    On another note. Has anyone noticed that Dion is rarely standing alone? He seems to always have someone “important” standing with him…back up? Tonight I see Justin Trudeau took his side. I’m sure that was for the PQ voters. Also, I thought his speech after our PM spoke today looked much like some sort of religious revival. Where they chanting Alleluia? (sorry, it’s late and for the life of me, I can’t think of how that’s spelled!) (chuckles)

  35. Gayle says:

    “Why is Quebec separation a given, but when Albertans mention it we are disregarded.”

    Because Quebec has two separtist parties, both of which elect members provincially and federally.

    Peter – I remember it differently than you. Sure “the west wants in”, but also,” the west will separate”, hence the birth of the Western Canada Concept.

    I know some people talk about it at parties, and obviously three or four of you post about it on blogs, but that is hardly signs of a “movement”.

    Where are your grassroots meetings? Where is your organization? Where will they be when the carbon tax turns out not to hurt Alberta more than any other place after all?

  36. Gayle says:

    “Also, your comments strike me as being very condescendingly Liberal.”

    Sure they do, but I suppose suggesting I am out of touch with Albertans just because of the neighbourhood I live in is not condescending at all, right?

  37. Goodie says:

    I live in B.C. and If the Liberals win I want to separate to . I hope the poles are better for the conservatives tommorrow.

  38. gimbol says:

    Just a thought.

    What are the chances that some disaffected liberals will be ready to form a new liberal party after this election?

  39. Mary HInes says:

    What is the good of us talking? We found out about dion and his plagiarism – but has it been on T.v. enough for the General Public to see it? – no – been pushed aside – and the Bank thing – even if we did find out this was true – what can we do about it? – and the pollsters – if we find out that comment was made – what do we do about that?… the General Public just does not see this – the only thing they hear is negative coverage of the Tory party. So let’s see, they get dion elected – and then how are they ever going to cover him!. Maybe sometime what you wish for – is not always the best but from what I see now – the media has run this election for the liberals this whole campaign, and likely will get them elected. I remember back on week 2 after the election was called – Craig Oliver said he was going with the liberals that week to see if he could turn the “train” around. Why was it his duty to turn the train around? However, it looks like the media has done just that…If you are constantly portrayed as the bad guy – finally this just sets in – Look at these pollsters – Nanos – himself worked for the liberals party and so does the pollster we listen to every night. It looks great to have the Tories start off well – then slowly fade so it looks like the liberals are the choice of the people in time to go to the polls – this is really 3rd world country stuff… but I can’t see one thing we can do about it. You have Margaret Atwood now supporting a separatist leader just to defeat Harper – something is definitely wrong.

  40. bluetech says:

    On topic;
    Does anyone know the names of the people at Scotia bank that Duffy was referring to?The fearmongering is tiresome.

    Also re: polls…
    In our riding the Lib, a favourite cutie p’tootie, loves the photo ops, carries the Lib lies,charms the sheeple who have ‘always voted Liberal’…you get the picture…

    is having trouble in our local polls!
    Like I said …I don’t trust Nanos. The worst possible effect of these national polls is that it will discourage candidates.

  41. Dave says:

    Gayle, explain to me why you are supporting the Liberals after saying your family was decimated by them? They are the exact same party now as then, the lies, corruption and promises after promises that are never referred to again once elected. Please tell me why, is it that you hate Harper for stopping Canada’s march to socialist shared misery.

  42. Bubba brown says:

    I was kinda wondering that too Gayle, why after your father lost his business he continues to vote for the “eastern bastards” mind boggling really. The last “great western leader was Riel” He was right. John Macdonald resolved to hang him “though all the dogs in Quebec howl”. This has been going on as long as we have been a country, point is we are watching the blatant bias of the media, the lies and hypocrisy of Dion and Layton, the PHONY POLLS! We are not impressed Gayle and that is how Political movements start. Reference a “few pennies tax on tea”, fast forward to “the tax on everything” We are AWAKE Gayle and pissed off.

  43. Gayle says:

    Because my father and I are smart enough to know:

    1. Just because a political party did something over 20 years ago does not mean it will continue to do so forever and ever and ever…

    2. The NEP was not the sole cause of our recession, which should be obvious by the fact that other parts of the country and the world were in recession too

    3. Supporting the wrong man at the wrong time cannot be justified by the fact the other man belongs to a party you perceived may have wronged you at some point in the past.

  44. jt says:

    So Gayle, supporting a Green Shift Tax is the “right” thing, like the NEP was at a critical juncture of which way the economy was going at the time, should be passed?

    When people are losing their jobs because of events outside of their control, green issues take a back seat. That is reality. We are not “ruled” by our elected representavies, they are there to SERVE us.

    Enacting green taxes at this point is economic suicide. Mr Dion does not have a grasp of real economics and TELLING us that green taxes are good for us, at this point in the economic cycle, doesn’t cut it.

    I am not prepared to support Dion or Layton while they learn Economics 101 – on the job, with the future of my job at risk.

  45. MaryT says:

    Gayle, if what the liberals did 20 years ago should not be a reason for concern why is there so much bashing, smears, investigations etc over what a candidate did/said 20 years ago, or what a politican did/didn’t do 20 years ago. You mean we should ignore liberal misdeeds but not conservative misdeeds.
    OT, but my hubby is getting ready for the depression, he just made a second pot of coffee and forgot to put a fresh filter and coffee in it. YUK. He told me that is what his parents did in the 30s, like many others did, reused the coffee grounds.

  46. Dave says:

    Gayle, again how has the Liberal party changed to regain your loyalty? It is estimated by various scholars that Alberta lost between $50 billion and $100 billion because of the NEP. The Liberals continue to focus on central Canada where their base of brain-dead voters are. Dion’s Green Shaft will do the same to Alberta as NEP. Read it, there is nothing on cutting emmissions just on transferring wealth from Alberta to their social programs like National Child Care, another huge union bureaucracy to waste money on. Even the Liberal caucus has confirmed this.

    Do you think Dion is the leader you and your dad are looking for, why? Once again please tell me why you are voting Liberal, is it that you hate Harper for stopping Canada’s march to socialist shared misery.

  47. Gayle says:

    JT – perhaps you missed the part yesterday when 230 economists came out in favour of taxing carbon, which is something they believe will be good for our economy.

    Dave – I am voting NDP.

    I support the ABC campaign.

    Mary – my father grew up during the depression.

  48. CRB says:

    Gayle – Dementia is such an ugly thing isn’t it? I notice that it tends to run in families for some reason.

    Regarding separation, it has been bubbling just below the surface for some time, now. I suppose just waiting for the right conditions which may come to pass late on the 14th. Craig and Jane will be beside themselves but could wake up to a very different Canada, unless…..

    CRB

  49. Gayle says:

    Personal attacks CRB? How juvenile.

    As for the separation – I will believe it when I see it, and I have not seen it yet.

    Good luck with that.

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