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Breaking news – Braid wins!

This just in from Newstalk 570: Conservative Peter Braid has won the official recount over Andrew Telegdi by 17 votes! This process has been going on since Wednesday.

Every ballot was recounted.

The RecordRecount confirms Braid as winner…

Congratulations, Peter Braid! And thank you Justice Donald Gordon for a job well done.

Congrats too, to Aaron. I’m sure he’ll have lots to tell us.

Saturday Update: H/T to Gabby in the previous post for this link to David Akin’s blog, which includes official Elections Canada information.  David also has a link to Pundits’ Guide – Well worth checking out.

Record - It’s Braid by a Hair in Recount. (Very clever. Wish I had thought of that one.) This link is also posted in the next post.

Toronto Star stuck on stupid

Who writes these editorials for the Toronto Star? Ministers need monitoring. Is someone there trying to write talking points for Ralph Goodale on Mike Duffy Live?

Again we see the words "neo-conservative" and "Mike Harris" pop up. The election’s over folks. Time to get with the program.

Not even one positive comment about the new Federal Cabinet?  Not one??? Your cousin, The Waterloo Region Record is practically throwing a party over here.

How about all those women in Cabinet? Isn’t that a good thing?

The Star schlock ends with the following:

This just proves that loyalty (to the Prime Minister) trumps competence in cabinet making.

I think you could make a similar comparison to the quality of Star journalism and its subscribers.

Just not good enough

When I first read Kady O’Malley’s post today, I was quite heartened to think that Wai Young’s appeal for a full recount would finally be taken seriously.

However the more I think about it, the less satisfied I become – especially after reading the Vancouver Sun report by Neil Hall:

…The matter was heard in court by Dohm late Wednesday, when the judge agreed to examine the counting statements for each of the 184 ballot boxes, which are called polls, for Vancouver South.

"Counting statements"? That’s it? What’s that going to prove?

Sandy seems to be just as indignant as I am . Hopefully this is just the starting point, but I want to see all the ballots counted just as they have been in every other recount.

Even Mike Duffy commented on it tonight when talking to Jane Taber and Robert Fife on MDL:

"…if you’re going to have a recount, let’s have a recount! … This is a very important decision!"

Jane and Robert seemed to agree with Duff.

This isn’t fair to Wai Young, and it isn’t even good for Ujjal Dosanjh. If he is deemed the winner without a full recount, this cloud will forever hang over his head like some fetid eau de democracy gone rancid.

What is going on out there?

Perhaps this gang from Vancouver South should come to Kitchener-Waterloo and find out how things are supposed to be done.

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Related: Brampton West recount scheduled for Nov. 3 – The Brampton Guardian:

"…The recount could take between three and four days, according to court officials…"

Hel-lo-o. Anyone listening out there in Vancouver South?

Conservative Reporter says, …OPEN THE BOXES!

Update on Kitchener-Waterloo recount - 570 News It’s still going to be a while.

Still watching and waiting for the Vancouver South ‘recount’ at Crux of the Matter.

Open thread for Cabinet discussion

I’m not planning to do any live-blogging, but there is lots of info at Stephen Taylor’s, and also National Newswatch and Bourque.

Speculation and reactions welcome here.

Macleans liveblogging here.

Stephen Taylor is also liveblogging , if you have trouble digesting the red koolaid at Macleans.

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Update: Waterloo Region now has an MP in cabinet! Congrats to Gary Goodyear!! Details in the Record.  Christian Conservative is happy about this too.

Complete list of Cabinet appointments available at Newstalk 570.

Recount enters Second day in Kitchener-Waterloo

The recount process in Kitchener-Waterloo seems to be going smoothly (Record report here):

After a day of counting yesterday, workers had gone through just half the ballots. Returning officer Henry Schmidt said there were few significant problems with the recount, which he expects will conclude today. "It’s going smoothly," he said. "It’s going well." Workers found some disputed ballots, Schmidt said, but he couldn’t reveal how many or whether there were enough to change the election results. Earlier in the day, the judge presiding over the recount, Superior Court Justice Donald Gordon, ruled the local news media could witness the recount after The Record launched a formal application requesting the newspaper have access to the proceedings. In making his decision, Gordon said the electoral process is a fundamental element of a democracy and should be open to the public through the media. "The public has an interest in the proceedings and are entitled to know what we are doing," he said.

Excuse me? What was that last sentence again? The public is entitled to know what’s going on? It’s supposed to be a transparent process then? Obviously Vancouver South didn’t get the message. Let’s hope that Wai Young’s appeal is successful and that the powers-to-be soon realize that they are responsible for the only riding in the country that seems to have decided that every vote doesn’t count.

Justice Donald Gordon is to be commended for allowing local media to be present, and for ensuring a fair and democratic recount in Waterloo. Whatever the outcome, we will be confident that the winner will actually be the person who received the most votes. What a refreshing concept.

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Related: Dosanjh may face another recount in Canada poll – Sindh Today.

Jack’s NewswatchDaily Blogger. Thanks once again, Jack!

Also, sometime during the night, Blue Like You passed the 200,000 mark since switching to Wordpress at the end of April of this year. Not bad for half a year’s work. Thanks so much to all my readers!

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Afternoon update: Recount decision expected FridayRecord.

Wai Young updateNews 1130. Nothing much we don’t already know.

Kady had the latest – H/T Bruce in next thread.

Dosanjh will have to wait until Friday to find out if he is the winnerVancouver Sun.

Check out Heartless and BrainlessMore recount nonsense.

Kitchener-Waterloo recount scheduled for today

The big question in today’s recount between Peter Braid and Andrew Telegdi is the following: Will every vote be recounted?

I’ll try to post links and information as they become available today.

570 News has some background information, as does the Record which tells us that the judge will be Kitchener Superior Court Justice Donald Gordon.

I’m looking forward to a fair, democratic process.

If you find any additional information, please feel free to update us in comments. Thanks.

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Update: Newstalk 570 just reported on their 11 a.m. news update that this recount could take 2 or 3 days! Therefore, I’m guessing that they’re actually counting every vote.

Funny, that.

Aren’t we all Canadians here?

Good report here from my old Alma Mater. (You’re doing a better job than the Record, guys.)

CTV Southwestern Ontario (link has video clip up now) has just reported on its noon broadcast that the beginning of the recount had been delayed due to a request by local media to be present during the process. This application has been granted by the judge and things are now underway.

Therefore unlike Vancouver South, it seems we have a fair and transparent recount going on in Kitchener-Waterloo.

Finally we hear from the Record:

…With Kitchener Superior Court Justice Donald Gordon watching, 50 Elections Canada counters began opening ballot boxes and reviewing each of the 60,803 ballots cast in the riding during the Oct. 14 federal election.

The counters were joined by 27 scrutineers from both the Liberal and Conservative parties.

NDP candidate Cindy Jacobsen was also represented at the recount.

As part of the process, if all sides disagree over a ballot, the lawyers for both Telegdi and Braid will argue the case before the judge. The judge then rules on all disputed ballots and declares the winner.

The recount is expected to finish tomorrow, although Gordon said it could go into Friday.

Hel-lo-o! Anyone in Vancouver South paying attention here???

Evening Update : Everyone’s gone home for the day now.  They’ll be back at it tomorrow.

The local CTV reporter says the only thing he is allowed to disclose is that there has been ’some movement’.

Will they be banning maps next?

I agree with the cellphone ban, but a portable GPS ban too?

Good grief. Why not just ban driving and be done with it?

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Update: Just out of curiosity, why doesn’t the McGuinty government focus its attention and energy on the real criminals?

And here’s a little insight from Dust My Broom on some of the problems in Queen’s Park - Populist MPP Hillier: " Government Really IS as Bad as You Thought"

Phantom ObserverOn the Ontario Cellphone Ban.

Just RightBan distractions in the driver’s seat.

Recount rehash

Yesterday was quite a ride. My wrists are complaining again from all the typing, so posting will be brief for the next little while. My deepest thanks to all the bloggers who continue to pick up the torch. More here , here, here , here and here. (Sorry if I missed anyone!)

Two significant items today though:

1. The Vancouver Sun gives us a bit more information as to the process involved regarding Wai Young’s plan to challenge the partial recount – Tory candidate to sue over Dosanjh win:

…Wai Young had originally lost in the Oct. 14 federal election to Dosanjh. The recount narrowed the margin to only 22 votes from the initial 33-vote gap.

Conservative party official Ray Leitch said in an interview Monday that Elections Canada recounted the votes from 28 of 184 ballot boxes.

A lawyer for the party will appear before a B.C. Supreme Court judge Thursday requesting that the judicial recount check every ballot box.

"The judge has the prerogative to decide how many ballot boxes he’s going to look at, and he decided after the 28 that he felt it was enough and there wasn’t a trend there," said Leitch.

"We thought that there was a trend coming down and that it possibly could change if we continued doing the count."

The party is still deciding whether to continue up the judicial chain to the Appeal Court if the Supreme Court judge denies the continuation of the recount.

"We’re looking at that option right now. It depends on the reason he gives," he said…

Yesterday there was a lot of speculation in comments about whether a new judge would be sought by the CPC, but it would appear from the Sun article that they are planning to first give Justice Dohm an opportunity to address this issue.  Perhaps someone else is better able to interpret it than I have. (Swift?) (Dr. Dawg?) In any case, I’m sure we’d all appreciate hearing Justice Dohm’s reasoning on this ‘recount’.

2.) The Sun article also mentions yesterday’s recount in Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca, in which Conservative candidate Tony DeSouza voluntarily ended the process when it became mathematically impossible for him to be declared the victor.

The Times Colonist won the unprecedented opportunity of witnessing the recount and gave an insider’s perspective on the event – Rare glimpse inside a judicial recount. It’s a fascinating read, but what surprised me was how reporter Rob Shaw ended the story:

…Around 5:20 p.m., with all the votes counted, Conservative candidate Troy DeSouza was down 70 votes to Martin and there were only 67 disputed ballots for the judge’s consideration.

DeSouza’s lawyers then asked the judge to terminate the process and concede defeat.

However, by ending the recount early, the lawyers invalidated the entire recount process. It meant the original results from the Oct. 14 election — in which Martin won by two fewer votes — stand as official, despite a recount process that took more than 100 people an entire day to complete.

In another article, Rob Shaw details some of the costs of the recount:

The basic cost of the recount was covered by Elections Canada, including a $750 charge for the room at the Fairmont Empress where the recount was held and more than 100 bottles of water. Workers paid for their own lunches.

Both the Liberals and Conservatives were each permitted to bring four lawyers and 25 staff. Elections Canada provided its own lawyer from Ottawa and more than 50 officials.

Martin said his four-person legal team — which could have billed hundreds of dollars an hour — worked for free. DeSouza’s lawyers declined to comment on legal fees.

Wilson adjourned his ruling on who will pay the legal fees until a future date.

It almost seems as if Shaw is fixated on the costs, and is suggesting that this process was a waste of time and effort.

I disagree. How can you put a price on democracy?

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Evening Update: H/T to Bruce for this latest Kady update – Vancouver South Recount: The Latest Intrigue – Plus Memories of Ballot Battles Past.

Man, I wish I could get paid for doing that stuff.

Dr. RoyCounting the votes. Dr. Roy asks Ujjal to do the honourable thing and demand a complete recount.

Wednesday Update: Narrow margin puts spotlight on Election RecountsVancouver Sun.

Breaking – Wai Young to appeal!

680 News has the story!

VANCOUVER, B.C. – A Vancouver Conservative candidate who lost a federal election recount last week is appealing the result in court.

Wai Young lost the judicial recount to Vancouver South incumbent Liberal Ujjal Dosanjh by just 22 votes on Friday but Conservative party official Ray Leitch says she’s unhappy that not all the ballot boxes were rechecked in the process.

Leitch says a lawyer for Young will appear Thursday in a B.C. Supreme Court to ask a judge to check every vote cast.

The Elections Act gives the judge supervising the recount the option of counting all the valid votes, plus spoiled and rejected ballots, or only those from a sampling of ballot boxes.

In the Vancouver South recount B.C. Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Patrick Dohm opted to recount votes from 28 out of 184 ballot boxes…

Leitch says that all the ballot boxes should be reopened and their votes counted, noting that a full recount Friday in a Quebec riding overturned a Bloc Quebecois victory in favour of the Liberal challenger.

The recount in Vancouver South found four vote changes in 22 of the 28 boxes that were opened, raising the possibility of 30 or more vote changes in the unopened boxes, Leitch says.

He conceded getting Dohm to change his mind was a long shot

Background on this story here.

We’re behind you Wai, 100%.

The hope we now have is that there is still a chance for democracy to prevail – even in Canada.

Update: Story now confirmed at CKNX.

MacleansB.C. Conservative appealing election recount loss in court.

Now the STAR – This is exactly what we were after: MSM getting the story out there. This is a great day.

Good work, people!

The Wai Young story is now the headlines at National Newswatch.

And, when even Big City Lib is interested in hearing ‘the reasoning behind the judge’s decision’, you know something just ain’t right.

Yup. This is a stinker, folks.

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Tuesday Update : Kady has an update (H/T to Jad) – UPDATED: Vancouver South Recount – Okay, I give up. What the heck is going on out there?

Losing Faith in the Process

One of my previous posts regarding the peculiar way the recount was handled in Vancouver South is getting a bit cumbersome (as is this sentence.)

What it all really boils down to is this: Why was only a partial recount done in Vancouver South when the vote differential between the incumbent and the closest runner-up actually started to decrease?

The second question is, do we have a right to know? Should Canadian voters be given some kind of explanation as to why this decision was made?

The third question is, what kind of recount process is occurring in all the other ridings? If every vote gets counted in all other recounts, then why is Vancouver South the exception?

And if you don’t care, you should.

As Platty said,
it seems that Every vote counts, they just don’t count every vote….

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Update: From Comments – Janet says it all:

…If the Judge is complying with the rules of Election Canada then the issue becomes why given the dereased margin of victory that the judge did not pursue other options legally available to him to give a more complete review of a statical tie in this riding. Once again it falls to the “People” to demand that each voter who cares enough to exercise their franchise is recognized and respected. This must become a FLAG situation to those of us that really care about democracy…

Look. We just want some answers here. Is that so difficult?

I just wouldn’t have expected this to happen in Canada.

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Monday UpdateJR asks an excellent question: In a judicial ‘recount’ what do they count?

Keep a close eye on Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca for us today, J.R.

Conservative Reporter details many of the problems that need to be addressed regarding our electoral process: Election Canada’s rules need revamping so procedure is firm nationally.

There is also an excellent discussion going on a Jack’s Newswatch. Please read it and check out other related links. This story should not be buried.

Democracy is a fragile gift, folks. Please don’t take it for granted!

Related - Liberal leadership contenders can carry old debts into new campaign: Hill Times.

Upperdate: Welcome SDA Readers! Who needs ACORN? We’ve got elections Canada.

Dr. Dawg weighs in here – Vancouver South: The Recount that Wasn’t.

Kady O’Malley’s on it.  Vancouver South recount: Don’t shoot the (electoral) messenger, y’all. I don’t often agree with Kady, but there are portions of her post worth considering. And having Macleans pay attention is a good thing.

Evening Update:
ESQUIMALT JUAN DE FUCA RECOUNT SET TO WRAP UP MONDAY EVENING: C-FAX 1070.

But are they counting every ballot???

Upperdate: Keith Martin wins. And congratulations to you Dr. Martin.

Welcome Heartless and Brainless readers!