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Conservative musings - formerly Joanne’s Journey
September 29th, 2008

Fasten your seatbelt!

This could get ugly - Bailout bill defeated; Dow Jones falls 777 points. (H/T National Newswatch)

Jonathan Chevreau suggests going out for a brisk walk to help shake off the anxiety. That might be the very best thing you could do right now.

It will be interesting to see how Canadian politicians spin this one.

Let me guess… Iggy will say this is all Harper’s fault.

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Update: Can anyone please tell me why TD’s Don Drummond continues to support a carbon tax?  At least one Ontario Liberal has his head on straight.

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26 Responses to “Fasten your seatbelt!”

  1. West Coast Teddi Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Little Jack Sprat wants to have a “Priministerial Meeting” of all the leaders (so he can get in a little practice) before the debates. He is trying so hard to get the job!!

  2. The Liberals have already started their blame game. They can’t put the entire problem on the Conservatives since everyone knows this was a U.S. instigated mess. Their attack now is that the Conservatives should have maintained the 13 billion surplus. In other words, Canadians should have continued to be overtaxed to the tune of 13 billion a year. According to the Liberals, that money should not have been returned to the public so they could keep the economy stimulated. That money should not have been used to pay down the debt. Canadians should have been paying 30% of every dollar to foreign bond holders to stimulate those economies. Right now, Canada is running a near 3 billion surplus which is in a reasonable range, and there is no plans for wild spending programs which would increase taxes and hurt the economy even more.

  3. Someone should ask the Liberal’s if they really have such little confidence in their economic policies they need a $12 billion surplus in case the mess up?

    By the way, The Liberal’s campaign platform uses growth figures from 7 months ago. Flaherty and economists have already lowered that number.

  4. Soooo the Tories have a 9.2 billion surplus and the Libs are complaining they have blown it - seems to me we are still being overtaxed!

    Every time the Liberals (even Duffy was doing it) talk about how THEY slayed the deficit I want to scream.

  5. Suprised to hear Don Drummond of the TDbank speaking to promote the greenshift carbon tax. Duffy has been hiding the fact that Don Drummond is working for the Liberal Party.

  6. Fay, thanks. I just mentioned Drummond in an update. Glad you noticed it too.

  7. Someone should ask the Liberal’s if they really have such little confidence in their economic policies they need a $12 billion surplus in case the mess up?

    That kind of surplus is for vote-buying, preferably in brown paper bags. Where have you been in the last 10 years?

  8. Not good. There are similar bailouts going on all over the world: the UK and Germany are some examples.

    I just called a very smart man for advice (my Grandfather) and called my bank to make sure my savings are insured. They are. I suggest everyone do the same.

  9. Maybe I’m misreading the article about Don Drummond’s POV, but it seems to me he’s talking about a carbon tax for Ontario, similar to the one that already exists in BC:

    “The ***Ontario government*** needs a new “bold” long-term economic vision, which might include the introduction of a carbon tax, because the underlying pillars that made the province Canada’s economic engine “have toppled,” says a report from senior economists at Toronto-Dominion Bank.”
    I’m not getting from the article the idea that Drummond necessarily supports the Liberals’ Green Shift. What I’m getting is that the Ontario government needs more revenue (i.e. from a carbon tax) in order to be able to lower corporate taxes, thus attracting more manufacturers.

  10. Gabby, this is straight from the Liberal Green Shift site, under the caption “What they are saying”:

    “The idea is sensible. There’s a growing consensus to do something about emissions. We need to put a price on carbon.”
    Don Drummond - Chief Economist, TD Group

  11. I think the really big question here though, is the point Fay brought up: Why is Don Drummond on Mike Duffy Live as a supposedly non-partisan expert, when he is anything but non-partisan?

  12. More background on Don Drummond:

    Drummond was once a senior economic adviser to former Liberal prime minister Paul Martin and is someone the current Liberal leader, Stéphane Dion, likes to cite in his speeches in favour of taking action against global warming.

    Political hardball? No question. But as Drummond told CBC News, “it’s all in the timeframe.” If you accept the government’s contention that to meet the Kyoto deadline of 2012, big cuts — equivalent to almost 30 per cent of our current greenhouse gas emissions — have to begin in 2008, and the only vehicle for those is a tax.

    “This would not be the approach I would recommend,” Drummond said. But other techniques would take time to implement, “and that’s why I grudgingly accepted that if you are going to have that type of timeframe, which is incredibly tight, you are going to have to go with a very blunt [instrument], such as a huge increase in the carbon tax.”

  13. A surplus over $9B for 07-08, plus
    first 1/4 in 08-09 over $2B surplus (more than aticipated), and that doesn’t include the $4B windfall from the telecom sale!

    I’m reading that Drummond is saying the need for Ontario to raise some cash is desperate and the fastest cash grab is a carbon tax.

  14. I’m reading that Drummond is saying the need for Ontario to raise some cash is desperate and the fastest cash grab is a carbon tax.

    Wilson, that does seem to be what he is saying, but it makes no sense to me. Who’s going to pay that carbon tax?

    I’m glad that Duncan rejected that suggestion.

  15. This is interesting though (from the Globe):

    The TD Bank report calls on the provincial government to radically overhaul its policies governing the economy. In the report titled, Time for a Vision of Ontario’s Economy: Much of the Foundation of Past Economic Success Has Crumbled, the economists recommends that the government raise new sources of revenue with a carbon tax and by using its $750-million reserve fund. It says some of the new revenue should be used to cut corporate taxes. In the past, the report says, the government has put too much emphasis on spending at the expense of tax cuts. Several underlying pillars of the province’s past economic success have toppled and a rebound in the U.S. economy will not be enough to restore the foundation, the report says.

    “Much of it appears gone forever.”

    So Drummond’s saying that Ontario should be cutting corporate taxes - something that Flaherty said all along.

    Hel-lo-o-o!

  16. Yes, the Liberals like to quote Don Drummond, but I believe they’re being selective in selecting the quote that suits them, sort of like the glowing reviews of some of the worst films made.

    Here’s a couple of things I found that Drummond said:
    http://www.td.com/economics/special/bc0307_env_pr.pdf
    «“Sensible environment policy requires a myriad market-based options as well as regulation and moral suasion,” said Mr. Drummond. “Governments should take a holistic approach to achieve the right policy mix. By doing so, we will mitigate the risks and maximize the rewards for society.”
    AND
    http://www.tdwaterhouse.ca/insights/june07/article1.jsp
    “TD Economics suggests that this challenge can be addressed through a blend of regulation and market-based options, including taxes, subsidies, and tradable permits.”

    In other words, Drummond seems to be saying that a variety of approaches is necessary for any action on the environment. I don’t think he’s necessarily given a blanket endorsement of the Liberals’ Green Shift, as they claim.

    In the current economic downturn, I don’t know how many people will want to accept more taxation to solve a problem that may have been overestimated.

  17. Furthermore, the Liberals also like to quote “Informetrica” as having endorsed their Shift. But lookee here:
    http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2008/09/22/costing-the-liberal-platform/
    “The Liberals released a “costed” platform today. …
    The costing here is dubious at best. …”

    And if the Liberals rely on Informetrica for vetting their policy, why did they ignore this from an Informetrica report done in 1997?
    http://www.informetrica.com/prodserv/mer/mr1607as.htm
    “The Scale of the Challenge for Reducing Canadian GHG Emissions Key Factors - Uncertain Growth and Uncertain Action by Carl Sonnen In 1995, the parties to the Framework Convention On Climate Change began negotiations for a binding agreement that sets Green House Gas (GHG) emission targets for the post-2000 era. Kyoto, during December 1-10, is where the crunch comes.
    Having clearly missed an earlier goal of returning emissions to 1990 levels by the year 2000, Canada’s federal, provincial and territorial energy and environment ministers (in mid-November) “agreed that it is reasonable to seek to reduce aggregate greenhouse gas emissions in Canada back to 1990 levels by approximately 2010″. On December 1, the federal government proposed that developed countries should target on 2010 emissions that are 3 per cent below 1990 levels, and that Canada should reach the 1990 levels by 2007, leaving Canada three years to reach the developed-country standard proposed for 2010.
    We conclude that there is almost no chance of meeting this goal in Canada under any reasonable economic scenario, given current commitments to action. …

    A starting point for effective action is for governments to acknowledge, and legislatures to seriously consider, that getting to targets will require major Canadian and global action, and that such action will necessarily centre on regulatory and other interventions of the state. …”

    I’d like John McCallum to point to the Informetrica report that endorses their Green Shift.

  18. It just seems to me that Don Drummond is on Mike Duffy a lot and never has this connection to the Liberal Party been mentioned. Much the same as he never mentions that Gloria Galloway is married to Mark Dunn. What is the hidden agenda here?? Manipulation by The National Press gallery.This makes me very nervous wondering if we are only scraping the top in figuring all this out. Canadians deserve better!!!!

  19. Gabby, so this seems to be the political equivalent of ’selective hearing’. Oh yeah! Dion already admitted that he has a ‘hearing’ problem!

    Great links, BTW. Thanks for doing that research. Good to have this information ready for the appropriate moment. I may use it in a future post. Thanks very much.

  20. Fay, excellent point.

    Hey, Duff is always saying to email him. Why not mention your concerns?

  21. I have a question. The sudden appearance of Iggy speaking at major Liberal events is very telling to me,
    anyone else?

    It’s one of the last nails in Dion’s leadership coffin if you ask me.

    I’m pretty sure that rather than be seen as a winning idea(as Kinsella suggests) he’s pretty much sticking it to Dion and saying “Look out because I’m going to lead this party….might as well be now.”

  22. Nice ‘non-partisan’ reporting from Julie (bad hair) Van Dusen on cbc this am! She and the host,are discussing a “photo op” with PMSH and a family coming later this morn…Julie states,and she and host already giggling and giddy..that “oh I don’t know what it’s about..something family friendly,like who left the milk out or something like that” just ridiculous!

  23. Sammy, that’s awful! Blatant bias during an election. I wish we could get a clip of that and send it to Stephen Taylor. He’d know what to do!

  24. Sol, very interesting about Iggy. It’s almost as if he’s babysitting.

  25. Sol! Looks like Bob Rae is running his own leadership campaign now. He’s on CTV newsnet doing a Q & A.

  26. Jeez, talk about flogging a dead horse. The planet is not warming, GHG’s have nothing to do with any kind of warming, the sun is the major driver of our cooling and warming trends, 1930’s were the hottest on record, NOAA, Gore, Suzuki are snake oil salesmen of the worst kind. They cooked the temperature the fraud that AGW is.

    Politicians and Don Drummond have bought into the concept that government should regulate the economy because the “warmists” say we’re all gonna die in a heat wave. We can’t predict the weather 3 days in a row, but we can predict what the planet’s temperature will be 100 years from now.

    BS. It’s all about the money, period. How much can we fleece the “beer & popcorn” public to fund our pet projects, skim off a few bucks for ourselves and our friends and wreck the economy.

    Lizzie is right, Canadians are stupid.

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