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August 31st, 2008

Mr. Bean for PM?

Greg Weston said it! So don’t blame me:

…As the passion of Barack Obama continues to stir America in his captivating presidential campaign of hope, a looming federal election will soon give Canadians a choice between Bully Boy and Mr. Bean…

Weston likely intended that as a put-down for both leaders, but can you imagine Mr. Bean having to make difficult international decisions? He can’t even decide when ‘Canadians’ want an election! His judgment is very poor and his lack of political savvy is worse.  On top of that, he seems stubborn on the wrong issues and too easily led on others. (This is all my humble opinion of course.)

Weston continues:

…While Canadians continue to cite Harper as the best leader of the bunch to be PM by a wide margin, that may not be saying much when even Jack Layton is seen as better prime ministerial stock than Dion…

Another back-handed compliment but the polls do back that up. Harper is the stronger leader.

And a recently-released Angus Reid poll shows why the CPC may be so ready to pull the plug. Contrary to the Nanos poll which was referenced by Weston, this latest poll shows Conservative fortunes to be on the rise.

As much as Dion tries to change the channel, this election is going to be about leadership.

And even some die-hard Liberals are having a problem with Mr. Bean.

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Update: Mr. Bean goes to Ottawa - Dion to meet Harper on Monday (Gazette).

Tuesday Update: Green Shift support declining, poll shows - Citizen

Harper Tories on brink of majority, poll finds. - Globe

50 Responses to “Mr. Bean for PM?”

  1. jeff davidson Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 8:39 am

    funny how you’re willing to use the star when it prints a poll favourable for conservatives.

    sun media had a poll 2 days ago showing a liberal lead. did you see that?

  2. Jeff, I mentioned the Nanos poll:

    “…Contrary to the Nanos poll which was referenced by Weston, this latest poll shows Conservative fortunes to be on the rise.”

    But at the end of the day, there is only one poll that really matters.

  3. jeff davidson Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 8:50 am

    harris-decima, ipsos, nanos all released polls this week. harrris-decima amd nanos give a slight lib lead. ipsos gives a scant 2 point lead to the cons nationally.

    all the polls indicate steady erosion in ontario and quebec. bad news for harper fans.

    you’re right of course. it all comes down to election day. it’s going to be a tight race and a liberal minority is very possible.

  4. “a liberal minority is very possible”
    I certainly hope this country isn’t stupid enough to do that until there is a better Liberal leader. We’d be in a sad mess. Hope the people of Ontario wake up in time and see the light.

  5. - Jeff Davidson

    I agree with your assessment about all these polls indicate … “bad news for harper”.

    The point of which CONFIRMS in my mind why Mr. Harper’s leadership is admired by so many Canadians.

    In the face of apparent deteriorating support from the Electorate across Canada he is considering doing the RESPONSIBLE thing which will allow the Electorate to cast their vote for a new Government!

    Mr. Dion has had similar opportunities in the past year to join Mr. Duceppe and Mr. Layton to offer the same opportunity to the Electorate but has declined to do so despite numerous utterances to the contrary.

    Given past performance, can we, the Electorate, really rely on Mr. Dion to offer Canadians the opportunity to voice our views through the ballot box?

    I think not, and I suspect this reflects Mr. Harper’s views as well.

  6. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Stephen p @ August 31st, 2008 at 9:14 am: excellent comment.

  7. Gabby, I second that motion.

  8. I find that Weston tries hard to conjur up the big, bad, nasty image that the opposition has tried to spin so often to no avail.

    “..that nasty Prime Minister many can’t stand….” where’s the proof that “many can’t stand” him exactly?

    I’m not getting that at all….even from Liberals who are voting Harper this time.

    Spin as much as you like Liberal dudes, but Harper got more done in 937 days than the Liberals got done in a decade.

    Sorry Jeffy….it’s not going to be pretty for Steffy this time, but I hear “many” Liberasl are ok with that?

  9. Well Jeffy boy, you should be happy that we’re going to an election because your greasy lying Liberals are ahead in the polls.

  10. Well , forget the polls , because once the campaign begins in earnest and “stumble bum” Dion attempts to explain why raising taxes is a good thing for Canadians , things are apt to change a bit !

  11. Support the Bean Shift.

  12. I am not sure if Mr.Bean is the right character for Dion, he reminds me more of this guy:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gazoo

    “Gazoo often appears before Fred and Barney in random, often inopportune moments. He refers to Fred and Barney as “dum-dums” and constantly causes problems for them. Even when he attempts to help Fred and Barney out, he usually ends up causing even more trouble”

    Dion very much reminds me of a small, green(shift) alien from the planet Academia. Of course, in Liberal world the dum-dums are all of us in the beer and popcorn crowd.

  13. Calgary Junkie Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 10:35 am

    I have full confidence in Dion …

    He’s been mediocre at everything else a leader is supposed to do. I’m sure he’ll be mediocre as a campaigner too.

    And just in case the nervous nellie Liberals out there weren’t nervous enough, you should ponder what Susan Delacourt said last December … “Dion, reportedly not a fan of strategists and strategizing…”.

    So how much of the campaign will rookie Dion run himself, and how much will he delegate to the pros ?

    Please, please, please let it be Dion that is calling all the shots.

  14. I also don’t think that Mr. Bean’s the right character for Dion. The Great Gazoo is closer to the mark, but
    I believe I have the perfect character for Dion.

    Sherman from the Fractured Fairytales on the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. Nerdy-cerebral type with glasses, who also has a dog Mr. Poindexter who advises him.

  15. Mr. Bean finds time in his busy schedule to meet with Harper!

  16. http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2008/08/31/6621531-sun.html

    for Jeff, new poll from the polling guru,
    “We just aren’t as gloomy as we were 90 days ago,” said Nanos.

    Stats Canada says we narrowly missed a recession, slow improvement expected,
    NOT music to Libs ears.
    Almost being in recession and almost being in deficit will not make a good Liberal talking point.
    That increased spending must have been in the right places, eh..
    Small surplus, large tax cuts, large debt repayment, is a pretty steady hand at the wheel.

  17. I had never seen Peabody and Sherman before….funny. But Sherman is too lovable and innocent, not at all the personification of the arrogant and condescending Liberals/MSM. Dion, the Liberals and the MSM are a trio combination of Sherman, Gazoo and Peabody (in that order) Anyway here is a sampling of both:

    P&B-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YunO4Wc8E28

    GG-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcWPgR2df1o&feature=related

  18. Guess Steffi didn’t like being left out of the party and decided he would come out from under the bed and meet with the PM. Bet he says, the PM is set to call an election and would not agree to comprimise to put our greenshaft into law, or meet Kyoto targets. We need the greenshaft so we can send billions to China. They need the money to pay for the olympics. And we really have to meet our Kyoto targets.

  19. Powell Lucas Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 11:46 am

    I note a lot of comment about the harris-decima poll, the ipsos poll, and the nanos poll, but nothing about the CROP poll. This was the only poll that got it right in Quebec in the last election. They are still considered the gold standard of polling organizations in Quebec, and they say the the Conservatives will wipe the floor with the Liberals outside of Montreal.
    The country seems to be splitting along the lines of large urban centers versus the ‘rest of the country’ with the Conservatives winning in the ‘rest of the country’.
    It is evident here in Alberta where everyday you hear someone from Calgary crying crocodile tears about how they no longer dominate the provincial cabinet and how they are being short-changed financially.

  20. ‘funny how you’re willing to use the star when it prints a poll favourable for conservatives’

    Funny how you want to dismiss the Star poll and cite the Sun poll Jeff. You also never mentioned the CROP poll from Quebec.

    The most acccuarate polls are the internal ones done by all parties, where they run polls in the seperate ridings, using a much higher % of the population in that riding, (much like CROP polls), and estimate the chances of the parties electoral success in that riding. The results from each riding are then pooled together, and estimates are made as to how many seats the party would be projected to win in an election, as well as give a good indication of how many close ridings there will be.

    Ridings that have a narrow lead or are narrowly trailing are targeted as ones to focus on in the election, as campaigning could make the difference in winning or losing that particular riding.

    For example, Liberal’s are unlikely to focus much time or effort, for most ridings in Alberta. Similarly, Conservative’s are unlikely to run hard in some Toronto ridings where they will most likely end up with a small percentage of the vote for that particular riding.

    A good indication of how a party views it’s fortune in the upcoming election can be seen in the speaking points of it’s members. The fact Easter, Brison, Goodale, Thibault are now vocal gives a good indication of how Dion’s Green Shift is going over in the Atlantic provinces as well as Saskatchewan. We already know what B.C. residents think of their provincial carbon-tax, and the Conservative’s and Dippers will use that to full advantage in campaigning.

    The biggest problem Dion and the Liberal’s have is he brought out this plan when Canadian’s are already getting hammered at the pumps, and when heating their homes. The Perfect Storm is now brewing (named Gustav), for gas prices to hit new highs, making Liberal’s ability to sell the plan during the campaign even more futile.

  21. Jeff, Steve Janke has a new post on his blog about polling numbers in Atlantic Canada. Took a look at the various poll numbers, all done by the same polling company during various timeframes since the last election. It explains exactly what I was saying about Brison, Thibault, Easter. And the campaign hasn’t even started. Wait till the people of Newfoundland and Labrador are told exactly how many billions Dion wants for his social programs from there resources.

    http://stevejanke.com/archives/272021.php

  22. Just watching CTV’s QP. Craig Oliver is interviewing Michael Ignatieff.

    Iggy says that Canadians like an underdog, with respects to the CPC having more campaign money than the Grits.

    I wonder what Jennifer Wright would say to that?

  23. That “nasty PM” bit really irks me, too. Just because the MSM don’t like him. He is definitely not the cold standoffish guy they love to portray him as. He comes across as an ordinary Canadian family man to most people I know. Contrast that with nerdy prof Dion who doesn’t even know how to drive a car, for pete’s sake. And elitist count Iggy? Bolshevik Rae? Who’s more like the rest of us?

  24. Calgary Junkie Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Further to what paulstuff is saying … in the 2000 campaign, Chretien was savvy enough not to bother even showing up here in Calgary. Will Dion similarly understand the futility of his presence here ?

    I can see that he might want a photo-op, surrounded by his doomed women candidates, and maybe a repeat of his talking point from a year or so ago–”I’ve visited Alberta more times than Harper”.

    To which I would say, big deal. Come on down as many times as you want Steffi. It all means less time spent defending your home territories. On the other hand, maybe the Liberal incumbents out East will want Dion out of sight and out of mind of their voters ?

    Darn, now I’m all confused on what would be best for us, as to where Dion spends his time campaigning.

  25. Greg apparently has not done much surfing the net since McCain named Palin for VP. The
    Obama campaign and the MSM has stirred a lot of Democrats and Independents to vote for McCain/Palin with their hypocritical attacks on Sarah. The “She’s too inexperienced to be VP while Barak is fully qualified to be POTUS” theme is crashing and burning with many voters. Obamamania has created a backlash that looks like it will sink the Democratic presidential hopes. The expected gains by the Democrats in the House and Senate may also be in jeopardy.

  26. Calgary Junkie Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Re internal polls … Gordon O’Connor was on Rutherford about a month ago, and said that the CPC internal polls had us at 36 %.

  27. Karol Karolak Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Recent Morgentaler debacle has shown very clearly that public opinion polls in Canada are being routinely cooked to serve Liberals, radical feminists and LGBT lobby.
    This cooking of polls actually helps Conservatives because every time we have elections our pollsters in order to preserve illusion of their own integrity minimize cooking of polls process and that automatically results in sudden surge in Conservative popularity. Same thing happened before last federal elections.

    Last time it was a Jane Creba, factor, see:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2006

    “Early on in the campaign, polls showed the Liberals with a solid 5-10 point lead over the Conservatives, and poised to form a strong minority government at worst. Around Christmas, after reports of an RCMP investigation into allegations of insider trading within the Finance department, this situation changed dramatically, leading to the opposition parties to consistently attack the Liberals on corruption. Almost at the same time, the Boxing Day shooting, an unusually violent gun fight between rival gangs on December 26 in downtown Toronto (resulting in the death of 15-year-old Jane Creba, an innocent bystander), may have swayed some Ontario voters to support the more hardline CPC policies on crime. The Conservatives enjoyed a fairly significant lead in polls leading up to the election, but the gap narrowed in the last few days.”

    I am quite sure that when upcoming federal elections are over a “wise” pollster will come out of the woodwork and feed us with the “cause” of this sudden surge in CPC popularity that we are currently experiencing.

    Make it recent propane explosion factor.
    Make it recent food poisoning or Listeria factor.

  28. With the republican convention starting tomorrow, and hurricane Gustav ready to hit, think of the PR and votes McCain could get by putting country first. They could have a blood drive to get delegates to donate blood, a fundraiser for victims, people to volunteer to go help rebuild. The more the media brings up her inexperience the more O’s comes into play.
    The media has been left with egg on its face by getting zonked on this pick. One reporter even said that, we didn’t do our job. I knew there had been one person mentioning her name for months, and today Bill Crystal was all smiles. The fact McCain had only met her once shows that he will listen to advise of others. He said he had followed her for years. She is a real outsider, and isn’t that what will bring change to the way things are done.
    He has energized his base, and will have thousands of workers out there on the ground. Funny that O has written off Alaska now, as a swing state.
    Hillory has disappeared from view, and O got very little positive coverage today.
    Looks like the liberals will have another 4 years to hate america.

  29. ‘the nasty prime minister many Canadians can’t stand,’

    ‘the nasty Prime Minister that Greg Weston can’t stand’

    There, fixed that for you Greg. Hate to tell you this, but you don’t speak for many Canadians any more.

  30. ‘the nasty prime minister many Canadians can’t stand,’

    ‘the nasty Prime Minister that Greg Weston and Liberals can’t stand’

    There, fixed that for you Greg. Hate to tell you this, but you don’t speak for many Canadians any more.

  31. Calgary Junkie Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Wow, is Weston ever getting boring, repetitive and predictable. In fact, add Travers, Lawrence Martin and Don Martin to the list of MSM mediocrity.

    Surely these guys can do some digging, get some inside baseball stuff from one of the party spokespersons, and produce a column that is enlightening for us junkies ? Go talk to Tom Flanagan you guys. Or even Scott Reid. What about Jamie Heath.

  32. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    From the Ottawa Sun story:
    “That’s why Harper wants an election,” [Dion spokesman Mark] Dunn said. “This is not about a steady hand. Harper has been running this country with a broken arm.”
    So imagine what he could do with TWO healthy arms! ;-)

    And from the Weston column:
    “Almost everything the Conservatives wanted to get through this Parliament has been passed with the help of the opposition parties, especially the Liberals who capitulated on all matters threatening an election they couldn’t win.”
    Add Weston to the list of people who previously characterized the Conservative government as aimless, not having a real agenda (except of course THE DREAD SECRET AGENDA that everyone and his uncle claims to know about), that nothing was getting done in Parliament … now he’s joined the chorus of people pointing out how much legislation has actually been passed despite the fact the Conservatives are in a precarious minority govenment.
    Ah, consistency … I love it!

  33. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    And another thing … http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080831/harper_dion_080831/20080831?hub=TopStories
    “… A centrepiece of Tory democratic reform initiatives in the last election was a law fixing election dates to be held every four years, with the first scheduled for October 2009. Harper has argued that the law only really applies in a majority-government situation. ….”

    If memory serves (I have been unable to dig up actual quotes), when the fixed date election bill was first introduced, critics dismissed it, saying it would take a constitutional amendment for it to pass. Now, everyone and his auntie have their knickers in a twist because the PM “is breaking his own law!” which they claimed at the time was unconstitutional.
    The dramedy …

  34. Has anyone looked at the CTV website today ? Not only is there a pic of Stephen Harper looking warm and cuddly on the top RH side, if you try to play any of the videos, instead of the usual raucous car commercial as an intro, you get the latest Conservative ad. So if you want to listen to the clip with Bob Rae, or the clip with Ignatieff, you have to listen to the CPC ad fist ! Hilarious.

    I guess if you are rolling in cash, you may as well spend some before the election is called, even though Rae thinks it is “not fair”. Haven’t we heard that somewhere before ???

  35. …So if you want to listen to the clip with Bob Rae, or the clip with Ignatieff, you have to listen to the CPC ad fist ! Hilarious.

    Jad, this is absolutely BRILLIANT!!!

    And if any Tory strategists are reading this, I want you to know that your positive ads are excellent. Please continue in this vein. It is a winning approach.

  36. BTW, don’t forget to vote in the CTV online poll. Is Stephen Harper doing the right thing by calling a fall election?

    Right now it’s a draw.

  37. This comment in the Star is good:

    “…funny how the STAR commissioned a poll with Angus Reid but doesn’t want to print the results…”

    That’s true. I had to really dig to find any reference to the AR poll.

  38. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    “And if any Tory strategists are reading this, I want you to know that your positive ads are excellent.”

    I agree! Let’s see more in that vein.

  39. I think Iggy’s in Puffinland. Canadians may like and underdog, but given the beating Harper’s taken by the MSM and the crap he’s had to deal with from Dion….I’m thinking the underdog is Harper….not Dion and the Liberals.

    The Liberals are still acting as if they’re entitled to speak for the nation…..they’re not….AND, they haven’t paid back the money they took from taxpayers and gave to their ad agency friends in Quebec.

    Sherman, Gazoo, lemming, puffin………call it what you will, it’s still not the leaderhip Canadians need or deserve.

    Oh, and remember kids - females like Harper TOO!!

  40. Just saw John Mcallum on Question Period. Looked completely rattled talking about the upcoming election.

    Kinda like the deer in the headlight look, if you know what I mean.

  41. you’re right of course. it all comes down to election day. it’s going to be a tight race and a liberal minority is very possible.

    It’s also possible that monkeys might fly out of my ass, but unlikely. The most likely outcomes are CPC minority, a CPC majority, and a far distant third, LP minority. My Liberal friends aren’t too bright, but none of them are sold on the Dion Green Shift yet.

  42. Speaking of the Green Shift, this isn’t something Dion will want to read - Why I recanted by David Evans:

    …So far that debate has just consisted of a simple sleight of hand: show evidence of global warming, and while the audience is stunned at the implications, simply assert that it is due to carbon emissions…

    The paper edition says that “David Evans was a consultant to the Australian Greenhouse Office from 1999 to 2005.”

  43. Re: CTV website question re: election. Does it strike any one else strange that the poll results haven’t moved beyond the 50-50?? Could it be that the results are being stalled by CTV?

  44. Just heard the latest strategic poll done for ctv and the globe. Conservatives in majority territory. Fixed election date has not hurt them, as opposition has been talking election for months. Economy no. 1 issue. 49% of cdns think we are on the right track.
    I wonder if these figures are correct or if ctv is trying to scare voters of a possibly majority Harper govt.

  45. Mary T. - Interesting theory…

    Link here re: poll.

    You may have something there. I think the buzzword for the Liberals is going to be something along the line of, “Do you really want a Conservative majority?”

    In fact, that is the very meme that a Liberal strategist finished off with on CTV’s QP yesterday. I heard it repeated in a news clip.

    And they are trying to say that the CPC is the party of fear? Give me a break.

    The other thing I don’t get is how so many polls can show such different results.

  46. One thing voters might appreciate with a majority govt for PMSH is, no more sitting on hands by liberals, no more smear non scandals, MPs might get down to doing their job. Media would have to rein in their hate. There would be a fixed election date.
    Many professions do not turn against members of said group, doctors, lawyers, and others, when accused of wrong doing. Too bad there is not someone out there that could take on various media people and bring out every pimple of their life. Wonder how they would like it if the public did nothing but talk about their affairs, live-ins, unwed daughters, drug abuse, dui charges, speeding tickets. They need to be exposed for the double standards they live by. The attacks on Sarah and her family shows how afraid of her they are. Campbell Brown, Cafferty, John Roberts, (cdn) are just a few of the slime out there.
    All cbc/ctv persons also fit into the slime bucket.

  47. All cbc/ctv persons also fit into the slime bucket.

    Oh, I can’t agree with you there, Mary T.

    Mike Duffy is pretty objective for the most part. Let’s see… who else? Maybe CBC’s Rex Murphy.

    I’m sure I can come up with more. Give me a minute…

  48. Our ctv station does not carry MDL, but I will admit I thought he was fair when he was a reporter. Rex does tell it like it is and has a way with a sentence.
    I just get so angry when some family problems get the coverage they do and other families are ignored. The Edwards scandal is a prime example, hidden for 8 months while he was a potential candidate for POTUS, or Clintons escapades were brushed off as It’s just sex. Perhaps I would change my mind if those reporters body language and facial expressions didn’t tell us they were enjoying every minute.
    The last few days at cnn remind me of a 24/7 Springer show. Our media might have their biases but I don’t think they have the vicious hate of some networks in the USA.

  49. I just get so angry when some family problems get the coverage they do and other families are ignored.

    Oh, I hear you, Mary T! Unfortunately, gossip sells. Sad but true. If people wouldn’t consume it, they’d stop pumping it out.

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