Blue Like You

Conservative musings - formerly Joanne’s Journey
August 28th, 2008

Time to pull the plug

My, my. Some Liberals seem to be getting a mite testy lately…

Western Grit calls Conservatives "…arrogant, pompous in-breeders…" And that’s just for starters.

Well, if you can’t win by logic, try name-calling. It’s the standard Liberal strategy.

Tom Flanagan
paints a grim picture about Liberal finances. You know, if the Liberals are having trouble with their fund-raising, perhaps they should ask themselves why the grassroots are so reluctant to contribute.

Perhaps they are saving up for a hedge against the carbon tax?

The Star reports that the LPC is putting on a brave face, but there are some underlying problems:

But the key to both the NDP and Tory campaigns involves trampling on the Liberal Green Shift, the centrepiece of Dion’s election plan. Liberals describe it as a way to tax polluters and redistribute the money in personal tax cuts to low-income Canadians and those who go green. Critics write it off as a carbon tax that the country doesn’t want and can’t afford.

"We’re getting reports back that it’s just not working," the NDP official said. "The Liberals won’t gain support from it. How much support they’ll lose is undetermined."

This election’s going to be down and dirty.

But finances aside, a fall election call could actually be seen as an act of mercy for the Liberal party. How much longer could they rail against the government while opting out of important votes? Their credibility is already seriously undermined.

This Parliament may or may not be dysfunctional, but the Liberal Party certainly is. We need a strong official oppostion and the Liberal Party isn’t it right now. The NDP is looking far better by comparison.

Time for an election - for the sake of democracy in Canada.

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Update : And who knew Don Martin would assist the CPC in compiling a list of Harper accomplishments? Not as comprehensive as Sandy’s, but we’ll take what we can get.

Heh.

Excellent column by Adam Radwanski - When pundits have too much time on their hands (This is great!):

In an election leadup that somehow manages to be both sudden and interminable, it’s inevitable that every news story will be parsed for its potential impact on the campaign. I recall an Ontario Liberal friend some years back fretting over whether his party’s electoral fortunes might be impacted by the Leafs losing a playoff series. They weren’t - and neither, I suspect, will Liberal or Conservative fortunes be dramatically altered in the way currently being speculated.

For starters - no, Stephane Dion will not get a bump from Obama-mania, if Obama-mania persists throughout the fall. If there is a single voter who watches Barack Obama and thinks to themself "man, I really have to vote for Stephane Dion"? Does anyone seriously believe that’s why the Tories want to get the election over with? (And for the record, I linked to one of Dion’s better moments.)

Links available on Adam’s blog.

This is so sweet - Liberal MPs seek changes to Green Shift plan - Globe (and check out the comments after the article!)

45 Responses to “Time to pull the plug”

  1. It is so nice of you to share your concerns about having a strong opposition. If the Liberals had a stronger leader, Canada would have had an election last year. We would now have a strong opposition called the Conservative Party.

  2. Alberta Girl Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    I read WG post railing away with all the usual name calling against the Tories then he has the audacity to post a comment about how tolerant and “big tent” Liberals are.

    Of course - after I posted my comment - I am sure those “tolerant” liberals will be there with their usual name calling to let me know me just how “tolerant” they are.

    I agree Joanne that after the Liberals performance in the last year and a half, the NDP deserves to be the official opposition and I actually hope it happens.

  3. Talk about class..this is from another Liblog (Runesmiths Canadian Content).As a matter of fact,she is one of the Garthicle’s koolaid drinkers,and did liveblogging from the Garth/Dion campaign event recently.Take a read of how elegant and classy she is:
    New Voicemail Message at Stornoway
    You have reached the leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition.I’m sorry Mr.Dion can’t answer your imperious summons right now.Please F**k off and try your call again!
    Well,Ms.Runesmith,according to Peter Van Loan on Can/AM yesterday..Mr.Dion is hiding under the bed to AVOID taking a call from PMSH!Maybe he got stuck.
    BTW,just caught Graham Richardson on Can.AM..travelling with PMSH in the North.They were discussing the release of new Cons ads (that the Libs are already dissing as negative,Republican,Bushitler etc..you know the rhetoric) According to Graham,these ads are going to be ’softer’ and focus on all the positives! This is good news I think,and will shut the Lib.whining down asap.

  4. MolarMauler Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    The Liberals also do nothave the fall to let the Green Shaft die a quiet death.
    Harper has forced Dion to go to the polls with that albatross around his neck.
    And the Liberal record of opposing Harper is non-existent. Layton is gonna have a field day with Dion, even moreso than Harper.

    I’m a very happy Tory.

  5. What is going on with the MSM and NO coverage of the Eggleton aide RAPE charges??From the TO Sun (Don Peat)today:
    Cops ask for help to find more victims
    After providing only the bare facts of a bizarre sex assault case involving a senator’s aide..Toronto police are now making a public appeal to find other victims.
    Cost.tony Valla denied that Meinzer was getting special treatment due to his political connections.
    “he’s being treated as everyone else in matters like this”
    There was NO press release on the arrest Tuesday,when Meinzer appeared in court because “there was no reason to put out a news release”
    Question for the cbc:why didn’t you have Boag or Van Dusen camped out with cameras for this one??? Why has there been zero tv coverage,like the wall to wall frenzy for anything Cons???

  6. Good point Sammy, If a Conservative was involved or even standing in the same time zone waiting for a bus, the “media” would be all over it how shallow the reporting in Canada I don’t watch the “news” on T V anymore the bias is sickening, long live the Internet
    Cheers Bubba

  7. “What is going on with the MSM and NO coverage of the Eggleton aide RAPE charges??”

    While I agree that if the person involved was a Conservative this news item would get far more coverage, I don’t necessarily agree that what should be highlighted is the fact that the person is a Liberal Senator’s aide.

    Wouldn’t that mean guilt by association? Should politicians be considered responsible for ALL the actions of ALL the people they ever came into contact with?

    Of course, there should be some kind of effective screening of the people hired by politicians, but there are limits to how effective that screening can be.
    And of course the perpetrator, if credible evidence is found, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, regardless of his political connections.

    But let’s not be too quick to use the same methods we decry in opponents, i.e. because the person works for a certain political party, (s)he MUST be guilty.

  8. couple of quick points

    1) check out David Akins blog to see first hand proof of how the Liberals are hard at work on their campaign….NOT! The Liberals are toying with Canadians. How can we take them seriously?

    2) the Liberals still can’t get over that Harper won the last election. Neither can the Liberal media whose predictions tanked. Will they tank again?

    3) like it or not, what the public seems to be missing in Harper’s strategy is that he, Harper is still defining Dion and his party and doing a MUCH better job than the Liberals. The Liberals are rudderless, with no leader, no money and have, as bullies on the playground do in elementary schools resorted to making up stories to get attention, except the only ones biting are the Liberal media champs.

    4) sitting with my buds at Tim Horton’s this morning, the discussion turned to politics. Two individual who used to be diehard Liberals admitted that Harper’s doing a good job and not even the Liberals with Rae or Iggy at the helm would move them to vote Liberal this time. Now, put McGuinty or McKenna in as Liberal leader and there definately would be hope for that party.

    If I’m looking for a leader to stand up for Canada, someone who’s sharp and provides quiet strength on the international front. It’s Harper…no one else.

  9. Me says: ‘If the Liberals had a stronger leader, Canada would have had an election last year. We would now have a strong opposition called the Conservative Party.’

    ‘If’ to dream or regret?

  10. “And who knew Don Martin would assist the CPC in compiling a list of Harper accomplishments?”

    That’s the third or fourth ‘notable’ who said Parliament is not dysfunctional: Stephane Dion, Jack Layton, Lib. MP Dominic Leblanc, and now the Don. In addition, there have been these other articles
    pointing out that much of the government’s proposed legislation has been adopted, that Parliament is in fact working. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/08/21/ndp-election.html
    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080819/harper_speech_080819/20080819?hub=Politics
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gbRARFZm6mXYcvGv7bO7tcxDVb3w

    Mind you, the people mentioned above have not listed any accomplishments, they just said “not dysfunctional” in order to segue with “Therefore Harper is a lying Bush-lovin’ neo-con who is taking Canada in the wrong direction and who wants the planet to explode - so there! Liar, liar, pants on fire! Harper is a big meany!”

  11. And oh, yeah, I forgot to mention “Harper is really Hitler reincarnated” … because his government actually INCREASED funding to the Arts?
    But these placard-bearing yahoos are always armed with logic and facts, aren’t they?
    http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2008/08/27/mtl-cultureprotest-0827.html
    http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=7524d60e-e57d-452d-a529-b5d384c42f7e

  12. Hey Gabby,my point on the Egg./aide non-story,wasn’t neccesarily to point out it was a Lib.,it was to highlight the crystal clear hypocrisy and bias of the msm.I would bet my first-born that IF this had the slightest whiff of a connection to the Cons.party..do you not think that Boag,or Van Dusen wouldn’t have been stalking the Senator,MP’s..and hounding PMSH on his current junket? It would be spinning like a kids top and garnering massive coverage.
    I see on CTV,that Layton and Duceppe have agreed to meet with PMSH….Steff still hiding under the bed.

  13. You MUST read AGWN post on the real reason the Libs are trying to stall this election…and in the Just For Fun category,I found this gem on David Aikens blog…while he was looking thru the ‘fiction’ section in the Library of Parliament,he finds,”My Years as Prime Minister” ..by,Jean Chretien!!!!! That made me chuckle.

  14. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    “Hey Gabby,my point on the Egg./aide non-story,wasn’t neccesarily to point out it was a Lib.,it was to highlight the crystal clear hypocrisy and bias of the msm.”

    Agreed, Sammy. I believe I did point that out as well when I said in my original comment “While I agree that if the person involved was a Conservative this news item would get far more coverage …”

    I fully agree with you that the MSM reaction would probably be completely different - but, and this is where I think caution should be exercised, is the fact that the alleged perpetrator is a senator’s aide relevant one way or the other?
    That is, should it get greater coverage BECAUSE he works for a politician?
    Isn’t the alleged crime itself enough to cover?

    Please understand, we agree more than disagree.
    I just think that ‘guilt by association’ is not a principle I would like to see applied, no matter who the accused is.
    See, some people think if an accused person is rich, or hobnobs with the rich and famous, or politically connected, then he should get the book thrown at him, but if the person is poor, comes from a broken home, etc. etc., then some form of understanding and clemency should be brought to bear on the case.
    I believe justice should be blind - the law and its penalties should apply equally to all. And since nowadays the accused are often “tried” in the court of public opinion through media exposure, all the more reason not to dwell on the person’s political affiliations, IMO. As I stated before, whether the person is politically connected or not should not be the focus; his alleged crime should be the focus.

    I hope that clears up my POV.

  15. Once Dion bites the dust, I think we can look forward to YEARS of more Liberal infighting, with Iggy and Rae at each others’ throats. Heh.

  16. Liberals = the gift that keeps on giving to Harper.

  17. Gabby…shaking hands with you here! I DO respect your thots,and agree with them.I just really don’t the partisanship that the MSM show, it tends to bring out in me,an anger sometimes that I didn’t think I could feel.
    Justice SHOULD be blind,but as I work with a lot of disadvantaged people,and I see a lot of things first hand that make me feel that some of the elite do get an easier ride.I have done some ‘advocacy’ work for clients when I felt the system was letting them down..but I also teach them to have their own voice,and that it’s important they are heard..kinda a ‘hand-up’ as opposed to a ‘hand-out’ approach.As well,my son is a member of the RCMP,and I’ve heard lots that would curl your hair!

  18. oops..line shoulda read ‘I really don’t LIKE’ the partisanship.

  19. Two individual who used to be diehard Liberals admitted that Harper’s doing a good job and not even the Liberals with Rae or Iggy at the helm would move them to vote Liberal this time.

    Wow! Sol, that’s quite an admission for your Liberal buds to make!

  20. …That’s the third or fourth ‘notable’ who said Parliament is not dysfunctional: Stephane Dion, Jack Layton, Lib. MP Dominic Leblanc, and now the Don…

    Yeah, Gabby. I was just having a bit of tongue-in-cheek fun there with ‘The Don’.

    ;)

  21. A belated welcome back Joanne. Hope you had a wonderful holiday.

    Just caught the Conservative ads on CTV. Very well done. Positive ads showing accomplishments. Maybe the Liberal’s will follow suit and show Dion’s accomplishments as enviro-minister and leader.

    I’m voting for Stephane Dion, he allowed ghg emissions to rise rather than go down.

    I’m voting for Stephane Dion, he is like a magician. I heard he made 84 Liberal MP’s disappear 43 times and then had them reappear minutes later.

    I’m voting for Stephane Dion. He will save the world by bringing in intensity targets for ghg emissions, err, I mean cap-and-trade, uh, wait, no, I mean a carbon tax. I heard he was a hero. He told me that.

    I’m voting Liberal They have not stolen any money since the last election.

  22. Thanks, Paul! Good to be back.

    I haven’t seen the ads yet, but the reaction so far seems to be very favourable. I’m glad they’re going the positive route for now.

    I just hope the Liberals don’t have any clapping commercials. That last one was creepy.

  23. You MUST read AGWN post on the real reason the Libs are trying to stall this election…and in the Just For Fun category,I found this gem on David Aikens blog…while he was looking thru the ‘fiction’ section in the Library of Parliament,he finds,”My Years as Prime Minister” ..by,Jean Chretien!!!!! That made me chuckle.

    Thanks, Sammy! That post by Steve was very insightful. Link here.

    Couldn’t find the Akin one you were referring to.

  24. I just checked out one of the ads, Paul. Excellent!

    Video links at right of this CTV page.

  25. They did an excellant job of showing various ages, ethnicities, sexes in the comments in the ad. I particulaly liked the war vet and his comments sitting on the park bench. I occasionally help out at the local legion branch here and Harper and the party have plenty of support from these wonderful men/women who served our country.

  26. “maybe Liberals will follow suit and show Dion’s accomplishments…..”

    List of Dion accomplishments

    1._______________________
    2._______________________
    3._______________________
    4._______________________
    5._______________________
    6._______________________
    7._______________________

    Quick call the MSM…..I see a pattern here. Could there be a conspiracy, an ethic breech?

    The ads are really good! Crisp and everyday folks just like you and I.

  27. LOL Sol

  28. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    “… shaking hands with you here!”

    Sammy, consider yourself given a firm conservative handshake back. Thanks.

    Joanne and Sammy, the Akin link re: Chretien’s bio being placed on the “fiction” shelf of the Library of Parliament is here:
    http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2008/8/26/3856476.html

  29. West Coast Teddi Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    And not a Timmie’s in sight. Can’t wait for Sandy and her list of accomplishments to be made into a best seller, a movie and the sequel. “How Facts of the Matter, Matter”!!

  30. Jo,the link to the Chretien/fiction story is at David Akins On The Hill (main page) dated Tues Aug 26

  31. lol! Thanks, Sammy. I saw it. That’s great.

  32. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    “Gabby…shaking hands with you here!”

    My apologies, Sammy. When I got back to the computer at about 4:30 ?, I posted a reply, but it seems to have been lost in the ether.

    Anyway, here’s a firm conservative handshake back at you!

  33. Clown Party of Canada Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    I have been thinking lately that DeYawn will treat this election as he does parliament. He will accuse cheat, lie, beg, and cry “unfair” and everything he can think of. Then he will tell his supporters not to show up to vote. It worked for over a year; perhaps the LIEberals are “vote-challenged” and listen to their leader. It might help if all the other political parties keep reminding the voters on the LIEberal voting record even on their own amendments.

    paulsstuff said: “…. I heard he [DeYawn] made 84 Liberal [Grits – sounds like …its or LIEberals] MP’s disappear 43 times and then had them reappear minutes later.” I love this trick, can I use it? Please, please!!

    Sol; you had to many lines, you could have quit at two. LOL!! [Although being voted leader of the LIEberal Party of Canada is quite a feather in his cap.]

    I think as long as all the other parties keep quoting DeYawn on his views on the “carbon tax” [or Green Shift Tax - the GST II] failure to accomplish anything on carbon emissions – at least the Cons are fighting pollution – and that his plan will only enrich Ontario voters, the rest of Canada will see the true LIEberal colours.

    I think it is time for the NDP to be recognized as the “official opposition” as they already have been doing where the LIEberals failed to oppose anything the Cons proposed. In this area the LIEberals under DeYawn were just Conservative back benchers.

    I really hope DeYawn decides to run on his record of the environment while the Environment Minister under the former two Prim Ministers. Emissions up at least 30% ands the famous words; “You didn’t get it done” will haunt him until he is voted out of office – or at least the leader of the LIEberal party.

  34. Can’t wait for Dion and Garth Turner’s mumbling about this. Looks like the PM just got another stick to hit Dion over the head with.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080828.wlibgreen28/BNStory/National/home

    Remember Garth saying the green shaft was being created for the past few years? And they still messed it up.

  35. Gabby, I don’t know why, but so many of your comments containing links end up in the spam filter. I found a couple there today and ‘unspammed’ them, but I still can’t figure out why. Sorry about that.

  36. Paul, thanks for that link. I just noticed it myself on National Newswatch.

    Oh boy, those guys must be squirming!

  37. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    ” … so many of your comments containing links end up in the spam filter.”

    Maybe the filter is checking for subversive material from the dreaded Quebec phalanx?

    “I found a couple there today …”
    Cue music “Please release me, let me go …” ;-)

  38. Gabby - lol! Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

    Just found out my sister and niece are stranded in Britain holding useless Zoom tickets.

  39. I hope Dion pulls a page from the John Tory faith-based funding debacle, and digs in his heels in regards to making changes until it’s to late.

    Then again, he is pretty much painted into a corner. Making changes on the eve of an election will appear as nothing more than vote buying to save some MP’s electoral defeat. Brison, Thibault, Goodale come to mind. Make no changes and you can kiss away seats on both coasts.

  40. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    “… my sister and niece are stranded in Britain …”

    Sorry to hear.
    On the other hand, there are worse places than Britain to be stranded in.

    Of course the financial angle and time lost is a sure downer. Hope your sister & niece don’t have too many hassles.

  41. Sorry to hear.
    On the other hand, there are worse places than Britain to be stranded in.

    Thanks, Gabby. You’re right that there are worse places to be stranded, and that gives me comfort.

  42. Karol Karolak Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    It seems to me that Harper just crippled well laid plan that Liberals were able to cook up this year. It seems to me that Liberals let Dion loose in the summer with his Carbon Tax plan just so they could force him to resign in fall, hand over leadership of LPC to Bob Rae and pull a plug on Harpers government. Just look at timing of it all; Bob Rae got elected March 17. 2008 and he returned to the HoC on March 31, 2008. Spring session of Parliament ended in on Friday, June 20, 2008. It was impossible to crown Bob Rae as ne LPC leader right after he re-entered HoC as such move would create very bad optics for LPC. Stephane Dion released his Carbon Tax after Bob Rae was elected to HoC and the succession plans were already made. Liberanos have no money to afford another Leadership Convention and Bob Rae website does not mention anything about Dion’s Carbon Tax initiative, http://www.bobrae.ca/en/node.

    Thanks to Harper bold move Liberals are now stuck as no matter what Dion does in order to avoid getting hammered in election on Dion’s leadership and Carbon Tax, he would have to make concessions to Harper that would tie Bob Rae’s hands for another year no matter of what he would do to undo Dion’s deal with Harper.

    This theory explains why Dion refuses to meet or even speak to Harper. Harper’s consultation with Dion the leader of LPC would reconfirm Dion’s leadership of LPC, something that Liberals want to avoid at any price, as such meeting would make their plan of ditching Dion impossible to carry out. It would also force them to hold another leadership convention something that they cannot afford and are desperately are trying to avoid.

    It is no small wonder that Liberals scream and yell so loud as there seem to be no way out of Harper’s squeeze.

  43. Gabby in QC Says:
    August 30th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Joanne, I hope your sister and niece got back home OK.

  44. Thanks Gabby. They had to fly in to Boston, and someone is driving them home today. Long story but interesting. Kinda like the Amazing Race. I’ll be looking forward to giving them both a big hug! Thanks for asking.

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